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I did the same comparison and went with the X7. At the time our build was about the same price as the X, but the X is much smaller inside and we didn’t want to stop at SC on trips to Florida. The other problem with the X is the falcon wing doors. And the build quality doesn’t hold up like the X7 over time. The seats in the X7 are also much more comfortable. Also, DAPP is much more reliable than FSD or autopilot on the interstate. Phantom braking happens to me too often in our Tesla. The kids absolutely love the X7 and have better sight lines than in the X. Also the windows up above in the Tesla are annoying, especially the windshield. Third row heated seats and HVAC is a huge plus along with its own moonroof in the X7. Gas savings to go with the X doesn’t outweigh the issues listed above. Hope that helps
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Why not have both?
Not in FL. NC, so some experience with hurricanes. As for X vs X#, yeah, in my garage, no comparison. Hence looking to replace X3 with X7. X5 is a joke compared to X, let alone compared to X3 in the second row. As for X interior, yeah, it's not a honda, not even close... lol As for technology, orange to apple comparison. But the brain of the technology, not even close to BMW. But BMW does get the "bling" (and fit/finish) score. But then again, X#'s are built in SC, not built by "the" german's. |
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05-01-2024, 03:43 PM | #49 |
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Comparing the Model 3 to a Model S, is like comparing the Mbenz E class to the C class (or 5 series to 4 or 3 series)…. I don't want to go all the way and say 7 series to 5 series, but that's also applicable. Really it’s similar to that. If you are okay with much smaller car, smaller trunk, and less nimble car, then the Model 3 works. The model 3 is much smaller, the new suspension is better but not as good as the Model S. The range is still way superior for the Model S. The Model S has a central driver screen when the Model 3 is still following cost cutting approaches such us a single screen and no driver screen. The Model S simply feels like the luxury version compared to Model 3, still longer range and more HP. 0-60 sec time really doesn’t matter when you are in the 3 seconds range and lower. If that matters, nothing beats the Model S Plaid 1.99 seconds number. So I don’t see a single attribute that the Model 3 wins other than cost and a smaller size if someone prefers a smaller car. If you have the Model Y, as soon as you drive the Model S you will immediately realize the premium feeling of driving the Model S. I can’t think of anyone who drove both cars that will tell u he’d pick the Model 3 instead of the Model S if price wasn’t an issue (e.g. if they were priced the same).
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I like the all the EVs by BMW from a drivetrain prospective, but I hate the exterior look (they all look so goofy), and I also don’t think the range of any of the BMW offering works for me. U really really really need a 400 miles plus EV so you can use it from 20% to 90%, which leaves you with 280-290 miles of usable range. If I start with a 300 miles EV then that would leave me only 200 miles of usable range, and no am not willing to stop that often on a road trip. Then factor in the lower range expectations on highway at 75MPG speeds, than 200 miles of usable range in the 20 to 90% range drops further to 150 miles if not even lower. Cause the EV range by EPA does NOT assume highway speeds and does NOT factor in u really never wanna go below 10% and that on a road trips it takes forever to charge from 90 to 100% that it makes no sense to try to wait for it to do that.
300 miles (of usable range) is the perfect balance for when we usually need to stop for a bio brake or food…. Anything less than that means that my EV is useless. 300 miles on highways between 10% to 90% battery charge can only be achieved with a 400 EPA range car. That’s leaves Lucid and Tesla Model S as the only options now. Maybe EQS 450+ too with 350 miles is somewhat acceptable but still very marginal. The reason am saying 90% charge is the upper usable limit is because above that any EV is just too slow in charge so it would be stupid to try to wait for it to go from 90 to 100… and as far as 20% being the lower limit is because I would never risk driving with my family between states taking it to 10% or aiming to arrive at the charger with 5% battery (what if there are not chargers or the chargers are not working)…. Not to mention that batteries get damaged/stressed when used too much below 10%…. So really my concern with any car with less than 400 miles range comes from the fact that with any EV you can only use 70% of the claimed EPA range… and then factor in the fact that on the high way the range drops by another 20 or 30% at highway speeds, all of a sudden your 100% EPA range equals to 100% - 30% - 20% = 50% only the full range.. That’s why 300 miles EV isn’t good for me cause I can only use 150 miles of that range on a highway trip between states. Winter/cold weather? Oh yeah another 15% drop.. it’s crazy. I just can see how I can make it with anything rated at less than 400 miles… I even sometimes feel we really need to have a 500 miles EPA car to get usable range on highways and during winter when all conditions are against u to get your a usable range of 250-300 miles guaranteed all the time all speeds all seasons within a state of charge range that u can re-charge quickly (20-80% battery SOC) Last edited by BMW5and7; 05-01-2024 at 04:56 PM.. |
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What are you going to do to get around with the Tesla when you get a big storm that knocks out power for a couple days down there in FL? These are things you need to consider before going electric.
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In all cases, our family garage never had one car, and I assume that's similar for the average family in the US here. I like the balance of at least having one ICE car in the garage, even if it's a nice cheaper older one. Good for visitors, good for parents, good for dirty jobs/trips/parks, good for emergencies. Exactly why I have a Honda Accord parked that mostly parents use or my visitors staying the weekend or so with us. Good car also to keep it parked in the airport when we go for a long vacation. That's just my way of doing it and I get it's not an option that may work for everyone. Last edited by BMW5and7; 05-03-2024 at 04:18 PM.. |
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There is no place safe if there is a real widespread and prolonged problem. Hurricane Sandy brought so many issues in a such a extended area that it just took a really long time to get it all under control. To be honest, I think such a scenario does not, and frankly it probably shouldn't either, enter into a calculation when purchasing a vehicle. As I mentioned before, if the power goes out, and there is no fuel delivery for a long while, what are you going to do? Not much, is the answer, and that's the truth. You can run your generator, until the fuel runs out, if there are no fuel deliveries, you are screwed. Maybe if you have one of these whole house generators that run on natural gas, then maybe... Purchase the vehicle that's best for your needs, not based on a hypothetical disaster scenario. For disaster scenarios, I'm sure there are plenty of prepper youtube videos available. |
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I test drove them and almost won the bid on a very well depreciated Taycan from CarsAndBids, and thanks god I did. Anyway, every car is a joke when compared to a car with a much higher MSRP. As an EV for what I need, the Taycan is a big joke because once you spec it the way it should be yet with the drivetrain that makes sense, you are already at 150-160K, yet the Model S plaid will smoke the Taycan anytime leaving it in the rearview mirror.. At this price one can buy two base Mode S cars instead of a good equipped Taycan, OR the Model S Plaid and 60-70K cash in the bank saved compared to a (just-fine) built Taycan GTS (I'd not consider the lower trims... Taycan 4S base is 206 mile EPA range (compared to 400 miles for Model S) and that's what I call a joke. A car that I can't even use for a highway trip...hmmm. Ask people who owns the 208 miles EPA Taycan about that 208 miles range become for a pure highway 75-80 MPH road. The base Taycan is 5.1 0-60 and still 15K more expensive than the Model S, slower, less power by 300hp, 5.1 sec 0-60 and closer to 6 sec with lower battery SoC (lol) my Honda Accord would probably beat that. Come on.. Porsche has some great cars but Taycan isn't one of those. Even the Turbo S with a 200K MSRP would still get u 222 miles range only and again we are in the 200K range now. That's not a car I'd even consider as I can do much better in that price range. Pretty nice for the track, but then again on a track the Plaid would smoke it, so I don't see any use-case for the Taycan unless I want an EV to drive in the city, or once a weekend in the track for fun, which still makes no sense then. Between these two cars, there is only one car that is well priced, fast enough for a track and will smoke the other, yet considered a good well-sized family sedan as well with much more room, a trunk that fits my large size 26" mountain bike plus another small size bike or child-bike with only one-side of the rear seats folded leaving at least one kid in the rear seat, a car with decent range that I can take for a trip with family, good charging stations, and yet superior technology.. and that is the S if it's compared to the Taycan it was a super easy decision for a well-rounded car
TLDR: Taycan is a good car, but not well-rounded by all means. Other than great handling, it falls short in terms of technology, space, power, range, 0-60, charging speed, interior space, practicality as a family sedan, price, and performance on the track. The Model S and particularly the plaid gets you all these things together yet cheaper or will keep you with 60K-110K "savings" in the bank compared to the 148-200K Taycan trims that have (just fine) 0-60 and hp power that's still not even close. I assume nobody would even buy the 202 miles range base Taycan with 0 options that would still be close to 100K MSRP anyway. Last edited by BMW5and7; 05-04-2024 at 10:33 AM.. |
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Tesla: economy car inside with high performance and efficiency and decent looks at a mid market price Porsche: exotic and luxury with high to top performance at a high to highest price point Lucid: luxury with high to top performance with mid to highest price point BMW: luxury with mid to high performance at mid to high price point |
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I prefer the iXM60 over the two Teslas we’ve had for numerous reasons. But I’m not a Porsche guy- how could a Macan Turbo EV be better than a similarly priced iXM60 for my use case - I want space and luxury, not performance. But for those who do, it’s a great option. |
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That said, the two-car solution of EV for daily and ICE for road trips wins. |
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377 miles would be decent, but still my reference for any car I buy is EPA official rating which I think it's in the low 300s for the iX. If it can really make 377 that would be nice. Y or X don't work for me either which is why I passed on them. The only EVs on the market that worked for me were the Lucid and Model S with 19" with more then 400 miles per EPA which seemed quite accurate for what am getting. Until other cars start making enough range, I don't see them as an option. I take my personal daily drive for a road trips and highway trips at least once a month. Anything less than that mileage is an in-town car for me, and in that case I'd rather get an ICE which is exactly what I have anyway for the 2nd and 3rd cars on our garage beside 1 EV. They are all well-rounded, they all have >400 miles gas or EV range, and I have no concerns about any of them serving me on long trips. That's the only way I'd consider another EV.
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