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Again- you obviously didn't watch the videos, nor the Penn and Teller one on page 2.

Originally Posted by bmw325i

Contamination is almost guaranteed, and it's happened more than once. Obviously you don't understand how plants produce offspring. Wind carries pollen, or pollinators such as bees carry it from one place to another. With gmo's being planted in open fields theres no way to prevent it.

Did you watch the video? Most farmers buy new seed every year anyway, and most pollination happens within the crop. The guy who sued...90% of samples in his crop were 100% Monsanto.

Organic farming is not less productive. In the days of organic farming people didn't know as much about plants and we didn't have the equipment we do now, so they had lower yields.

It necessarily is. You need to leave some land to clover or something to enrich the soil with nitrogen from manure, and then the rest is more vulnerable to pests. According to the PEER REVIEWED journal "Nature", typical yields are 34% lower, although with certain legumes under ideal conditions they can be as little as 5% lower. It does not mention whether the yields are achieved at the same cost
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture11069.html
Those numbers are actually higher than I expected, and I suspect it's only for when the desired crop is planted, vs. rotation and fallowing of less desirable crops like clover.

Your argument about salmonella is flawed, that is caused by improperly using fertilizers. You should always fertilize after the growing season so that way there is enough time for soil microbes to break down the waste before the next crop is planted. There are also other alternatives such as nitrogen fixing cover crops.

Then you know more than the farmers, because that's what actually happens. How is basing it on measurable data "flawed"? You forgot to address the ecoli risk from manure fertilizer.

GMO's have increased the cost of farming for many reasons. Farmers have no choice but to pay Monsanto every year for their seeds, plus the cost of herbicides and pesticides, and then the added cost to send someone out in a hazmat suit to spray your food. BT corn caused a massive die-off of bees in oregon not long ago. There is a reason so many countries have banned GMO's, why not the U.S? Is it because the corporations own our government? I think so. If you look at how the Monsanto Protection Act got introduced into congress you will realize that is true.

Nobody is forced to use GMO or Monsanto brand seeds or herbicides or pesticides (even lawsuits on cross-poliniation were speculative. Hasn't actually happened yet). They can use whatever they like or grow their own. They use Monsanto because, despite the expense, they get greater yields for less money in chemicals and irrigation. The links between GMO corn and bee die-offs was pure speculation with no evidence. Other countries banning GMO's has to do with propaganda-swayed public opnion- not with any evidence. The same kind of mods can often be made traditionally- it just takes decades or centuries of selective breeding.

You're treating this like a religious view.