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real leather. My Benz sees the service center once a year with no complaints and most of my BMWs go in with a laundry list of issues. To have a quality product doesn't mean it needs to have all soft touch materials and Merino leather and crystal shift knobs. With that said, I will always have BMW's for my dailies and would get another GLS for my other needs as in 6 years of having one it has been a quality performer for me. The X7 might be but it doesn't have the track record of the GL(S). True car enthusiast can find shortfalls in any build by any manufacturer. Different folks, different strokes.
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In the past 3 months I have had a GLC, and two GLS's as rentals. All of them with less than 4000 miles, one GLS has 1000. They all had creaks and annoying noises. I had two X7's as loaners when my 750 had service, once 4.0 one 5.0 and both with the same mileage as the Mercs were solid. I do think though without the better leather packages the X7 is not as nice on the inside, I mean not bad but definitely not up to the price paid. The 5.0 had upgraded interior with the leather Dash, it was much more like my 7 and super nice. I was surprised at how nice that thing could corner, I took some fast ones, it will be our upgrade for the X5.
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This will work itself out over time as the GLS63 will have a proper set of exclusive Nappa interior options and then all will. But I wouldn't generalize this. I find the interior quality of the S-Class much better than the 7 Series (non-individual). MB Nappa leather quality is better than BMW and I find a lot of BMW interior designs pretty pedestrian (on higher-end models). BMW has improved their interiors but they are not known in Germany for great build quality. That recognition goes to Porsche and some extend, Audi. I do think the X7 is well executed on their interiors and feel more upscale than the MB SUV's. Other than that, both models have their Pros/Cons... |
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One thing to keep in mind is that leather is starting to get a lot of pushback in Germany as an animal-based non-sustainable material, so car manufacturers get dinged for not offering synthetic options even in their high-end cars. Just the the Porsche Taycan, the upcoming EQ cars will have non-leather options in their S-Class level cars. MB also has a new MB-Tex material that is like non-textured Nappa. That said, I am a sucker for great leather interiors and love full leather options with zero plastic anywhere |
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Your tangent on reliability has nothing to do with material and build quality either. I agree I was probably a bit harsh. Merc interiors are obviously nice, they're just a notch below the competition.
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it's Ametrin Metallic and is a deep purplish red, the color is actually deeper than the video portrays.
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Still it costs for a black pack delete so maybe that's the plan all along at BMW
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Weather. Period. During moderate to heavy rain my lane keep goes all over the place. Nothing like how it behaves on a clear day.
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Not sure how my "tangent" on reliability has nothing to do with quality of build as reliability is a direct representation of product quality. I can think of two issues requiring unscheduled service in almost six years of having a GL(S). I had that many issues with my M340 in the first week of driving it. It's just something I, as many others probably have, learned to accept with driving a BMW. In the end, I'm not looking to argue over opinions. It's obvious you have a dislike for Merc and the articles you read solidify that for you. I have had nothing but success with them and know many others who have as well. They all serve a different purpose. I get this is a BMW forum but keep in mind there are many others out there with the exact opposite opinion as you along with reviews that will slant the other way.
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Granted we're talking about bottom of the model line up and automakers always cut somewhere. M-Tex or whatever they call their vinyl seats are, imo, a segment leader. Benz nailed it there.
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Anyhow we can agree to disagree. I get that there is an underlying BMW bias on this forum but most here would agree that Audi/Porsche are at the same level as BMW as well.
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This. Actually a very dark wine-red in most light, and I've never seen it as depicted in the still shot of this video lighting. Almost mistook it for black when I first saw it. Not for everyone, but like TBII, a unique option for those tired of the comprehensive range of black or white presented by BMW for the majority of their "colors," and still be a conservative, sharp looking car, especially in this color with the Extended Shadowline trim.
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