03-27-2024, 12:58 AM | #1 |
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Tesla Self Driving
Looks like Elon is engaging at a hefty price with actual hands-free driving.
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03-27-2024, 07:11 AM | #3 |
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I guess, at some point, self-driving vehicles could be safer than people driving. It probably already is in some specific cases
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03-27-2024, 07:51 AM | #5 |
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03-27-2024, 09:21 AM | #7 |
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Right now the driver is still responsible but in the case of true self-driving cars like Waymo, you sue the company (in this case Waymo as an example). There are discussions whether you would need your own insurance at all in that situation if all the liability is on the carmaker. Interesting discussions going on regarding legal issues around self driving cars
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03-27-2024, 09:43 AM | #8 |
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Tesla isn't self driving anytime soon.
A few years ago Tesla decided to remove all radar sensors and go completely with a visual camera-based system for self-driving. This likely saved Tesla a few thousand $$ per vehicle. Unfortunately, a camera-only based system will never be able to be fully self-driving. In fact, Tesla's FSD is rated at Level 2 (out of 5) for vehicle automation. Nowhere near ready.
Contrast to BMW's self driving system which includes cameras and radar sensors. Full autonomous driving won't ever happen without LIDAR sensors included-and those are not cheap at all. |
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03-28-2024, 08:24 AM | #11 |
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Yup… in fact the most recent AI-based Tesla FSD update 12.3 is insane and truly close and enough in my view to be acknowledged as the best drive assist system ever existed.
It’s almost too good that I don’t care if it improves more or not, just as good as I need it to be. I’ve captured about 4-5 short 15 secounds examples/moments on YouTube posted by others that I thought are insane AND PROBABLY better than most human https://youtube.com/shorts/xkl2ZmPVA...zdRyfqERRA8B6o https://youtube.com/shorts/NxloAweI6...I4jo4syeEdZdZ- https://youtube.com/shorts/fh4OzgtAj...5IzxnBUOuN8Jbn https://youtube.com/shorts/ydMbqmovX...hRfJh8RXlvCuU2 https://youtube.com/shorts/fh4OzgtAj...5IzxnBUOuN8Jbn Last edited by BMW5and7; 03-28-2024 at 08:29 AM.. |
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[QUOTE=BMW5and7;31025684]Yup… in fact the most recent AI-based Tesla FSD update 12.3 is insane and truly close and enough in my view to be acknowledged as the best drive assist system ever existed.
It’s almost too good that I don’t care if it improves more or not, just as good as I need it to be. I’ve captured about 4-5 short 15 secounds examples/moments on YouTube posted by others that I thought are insane AND PROBABLY better than most human Thanks - Truly Impressive!! |
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03-28-2024, 11:43 AM | #13 |
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The problem will be is when you are so impressed and your guard will go down, fully trusting the system and a malfunction happens. The human conditioning in getting complacent is unavoidable. That will be the ultimate stumbling block with implementing this kind of tech to the general population. How can we keep the driver still engaged and supervising is going to be tough.
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Full autonomy verses aids like emergency collision braking are miles apart in their implementation. One steps in as an aid to help the drive compartmentalize tasks when overwhelmed or not paying attention. The other lures the driver in to relinquishing full control. |
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03-28-2024, 11:52 AM | #16 |
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Good point! Even if the system drives better than a human, a driver paying attention as a team player could improve the overall result.
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It is not a bad idea for owners of fully autonomous capable vehicles to compete a mandatory training course for these features and then after completion, the tech can be turned on at that point in their vehicles. |
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Lots of dead Tesla drivers that relied too heavily on the autonomous driving feature.
And then there’s the people literally asleep at the wheel… |
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03-28-2024, 01:37 PM | #19 |
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Taking advantage of all features of the current Tesla FSD system is only possible with vehicles that have interior cameras that monitors the driver. Driver has to be awake, looking at the road. As soon as u pick up your phone, or even look around it will star beeping at you and if u don’t listen: 1. It will stop and pull over, 2. You will get striked and will be banned from FSD for some time.
The photos shared above are all from older Tesla cars, or of which are also operating under older auto-pilot, or standard auto-pilot, not the most recent AI FSD for cars with interior camera. Even for older cars with regular standard Auto-pilot, nowadays u can’t drive long without the system asking u to keep shaking the steering wheel. There is no way on earth to go sleep like that while the system continuing to operate. People used to trick the system by installed a weigh on the wheel or a controller that adjusts volume up and down to trick the system that u are awake, all of which Tesla have completely eliminated. If someone is that STUPID to keep trying to trick the system, then I bet I’d rather be around him while FSD works than someone like that driving the car without a backup system anyway (though again that’s not possible). I am not a big fan of FSD, but for those who are skeptical, simply one can argue that the chances someone will die while driving is of higher probability and eve riskier than the FSD system itself failing while you are alive and not yet able to take over the car. Yes I believe it’s already safer than the majority of drivers. In fact, on the highway, I have no doubt that it’s already safer when used as intended, as compared to a regular human driving the car himself. |
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03-31-2024, 12:29 PM | #22 |
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Yeah 12K is insane and laughable. I didn’t add the 12K option. Instead when I use it I just subscribe for one full month $200 usd. Even if I do it every single month when I have long trips, once or twice a year. Otherwise free AutoPilot is outstanding and had already gotten better now. If someone really wants FSD then buying pre-owner is the key. Anyway in the last 9 months I got more to an 4 months of free FSD cause Tesla keeps advertising and giving free trials. I never paid a penny. When I need it, $200 usd is well worth it for a family road trip.
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