[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by jmg

Violation of the Public Utilities Act is a crime. The company would be in violation of state law by not adhering to this act.

The act required them to consider it. That's it.

The ease that which they have access remotely might be new.

Which is why I said it's a new world.

Maybe look to Texas for an unfortunate example of deregulated electricity?

Look to Texas for what happens when a grid is not prepared for surge in demand.

California is by a huge margin the largest power importer, averaging 25% annually of it's total supply. It already doesn't have enough power.

I can only really speculate based on each state's allocation of energy sources, which is why I asked for a source.

I know, there is a lot of speculating going on.

2200 is considered off peak, and generally when EV's are charged.

At 22:00, renewables are ~11% of the supply, and Batteries ~3%. How much renewable energy is going into EV's at 22:00? ~ 13-14%

It more of having to face an unavoidable problem head on. There is nothing to gain by believing we will fail before we have even tried. The worst that could happen is that the grid is stronger than ever, and there will be more EVs on the road with improved technology to recycle batteries, or even find a new way to make them. The worst we can do is nothing.

The worst that will happen is the grid will fail us, and the adoption of EV's will be delayed beyond what may have actually been sustainable.

I don't believe I can fly, so I don't jump off my roof. If you believe I can fly, I'm going to disagree with you. Pushing me off the roof to make me fly isn't helping either one of us, and I still won't be able to fly. The worst that could happen is worse than where I'm at right now.

[x622]

@chad86tsi you have far more patience than I trying to explain to someone how carbon baseload works. Godspeed.

I'm tapped out and don't desire to hand hold or spoon feed information anymore on why this is so dumb. You touched on it earlier how much of our grid is in shambles but I don't think outsiders understand the severity of the issue and will only look at it under the lense of their political beliefs. I don't think they grasp the numbers, mechanism or powers at play involving the grid. I don't think they can fathom the timelines to just get permits, right of way etc through municipalities to see this through, let alone do the actual buildout.

[hihowareyougood]

lmfao haters out in full force. California leading the charge as always, and need I remind you that 17 states (i.e. 33%) are following suit without challenge. EV/solar is the future, period. Deal with it, or keep crying as society evolves without you

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by hihowareyougood

California leading the charge as always, and need I remind you that 17 states (i.e. 33%) are following suit without challenge. EV/solar is the future, period. Deal with it, or keep crying as society evolves without you

[hihowareyougood]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Lmfao right back at you it's your state that follows CA after all

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by hihowareyougood

Lmfao right back at you it's your state that follows CA after all

Hmm, I wonder why I seem so interested in discussing the matter...

Of the 17 states that have signed on, how many have identified where their ~30% additional nighttime power grid load will come from to support this?

[CarsAndGuitars]

A goal without a plan is a dream...

[lens]

Originally Posted by hihowareyougood

lmfao haters out in full force. California leading the charge as always, and need I remind you that 17 states (i.e. 33%) are following suit without challenge. EV/solar is the future, period. Deal with it, or keep crying as society evolves without you

Ah yes, it will be great when car culture will be who has the biggest battery now, or how much range you can go before having to recharge.

Enjoy your Dictator state called California, where evolution will be "you gotta pay to breathe cause you're emitting too much pollution"

Glad I live up here, because our weather will not permit EV due to how cold it gets, and how snow plows work. It'll be at least 20-30 years before we figure out infrastructure for EV, and by that time, I'll be too old to care

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Ah yes, it will be great when car culture will be who has the biggest battery now, or how much range you can go before having to recharge.

Enjoy your Dictator state called California, where evolution will be "you gotta pay to breathe cause you're emitting too much pollution"

Glad I live up here, because our weather will not permit EV due to how cold it gets, and how snow plows work. It'll be at least 20-30 years before we figure out infrastructure for EV, and by that time, I'll be too old to care

Our military is one of the worst polluters on the planet. I'm not saying they need to do anything about it. It's just a fact

[lens]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Our military is one of the worst polluters on the planet. I'm not saying they need to do anything about it. It's just a fact

Oh fuck yeah they are, any military is terrible. When you have to make your flight hours or driving hours every year, the amount of fuel and oil and shit being used is absurd.

[Equilibrandt]

Originally Posted by jmg

It more of having to face an unavoidable problem head on. There is nothing to gain by believing we will fail before we have even tried. The worst that could happen is that the grid is stronger than ever, and there will be more EVs on the road with improved technology to recycle batteries, or even find a new way to make them. The worst we can do is nothing.

Shocking to me that both sides can't agree on this.

What's the worst that could happen by putting up a date to swap to EVs? Even if the plan totally fails, we'd potentially have:

> stronger infrastructure, improvements to infrastructure, changes to SOP, future-proofing
> battery improvements due to a force-feeding of money to the scientific brains of the country
> more EVs, even if you, individually, don't drive one

Regardless of success or failure, I simply cannot understand how anyone could think it's a completely bad idea to try.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by CarsAndGuitars

A goal without a plan is a dream...

You can't have a plan without a goal. There is no purpose without dreams.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by x622

@chad86tsi you have far more patience than I trying to explain to someone how carbon baseload works. Godspeed.

I'm tapped out and don't desire to hand hold or spoon feed information anymore on why this is so dumb. You touched on it earlier how much of our grid is in shambles but I don't think outsiders understand the severity of the issue and will only look at it under the lense of their political beliefs. I don't think they grasp the numbers, mechanism or powers at play involving the grid. I don't think they can fathom the timelines to just get permits, right of way etc through municipalities to see this through, let alone do the actual buildout.

Imagine if Vasco Da Gama never sailed to India because he couldn't get the permits in a timely manner.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

Regardless of success or failure, I simply cannot understand how anyone could think it's a completely bad idea to try.

A large part of it is fear and a health does of keeping the status quo.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Most utilities can barely keep the lights on, and are in shambles in a lot of areas.

Innovating is certainly over due, but there are a variety reasons it hasn't been done already. Those very reasons will make this endeavor a tipping point in reliability. It will alter load profiles and divert resources & manpower away from other reliability efforts that are already "emergencies".

I don't believe this can't be done, I believe it can't be done in this timeframe.

My point is I don't ever remember a utility being blamed for specific deaths due to their negligence in maintaining aspects around their power lines nor actually having to face criminal charges. Yet this push to go full EV by 2035 is going to be dependent on PG&E as one of the utilities that have already shown highly suspect and questionable management decisions.

Originally Posted by hihowareyougood

lmfao haters out in full force. California leading the charge as always, and need I remind you that 17 states (i.e. 33%) are following suit without challenge. EV/solar is the future, period. Deal with it, or keep crying as society evolves without you

Might be 16 soon:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...fornia-ev-rule

Originally Posted by chaungo

Ah yes, it will be great when car culture will be who has the biggest battery now, or how much range you can go before having to recharge.

Enjoy your Dictator state called California, where evolution will be "you gotta pay to breathe cause you're emitting too much pollution"

Glad I live up here, because our weather will not permit EV due to how cold it gets, and how snow plows work. It'll be at least 20-30 years before we figure out infrastructure for EV, and by that time, I'll be too old to care

You better watch what you eat as your flatulence will be monitored for excessive methane output.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...electric-grid/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/us/po...climate-change

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...grid-problems/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/america...le-11645196772

I could flood the site with links, it's not just one mans opinion.

Creating crisis to simulate a change when you are already in a crisis. That's not a good starring point.

Setting a goal, and doing nothing to achieve it is a crisis. Setting a goal, and working towards it is progress.

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by jmg

You can't have a plan without a goal. There is no purpose without dreams.

Agree on both points. But it still doesn't change the fact that you can have a goal without a plan. Which is still just a dream

[lens]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

You better watch what you eat as your flatulence will be monitored for excessive methane output.

Imagine being tax on the amount you fart per year LOL

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by jmg

Setting a goal, and doing nothing to achieve it is a crisis. Setting a goal, and working towards it is progress.

It's not a goal, it's a mandate.


Imagine running your own life like this.

"honey, I just bought a vacation house in Hawaii, because like you said, we want to take more vacations."

"Oh really? how do you plan to pay for that ? You know we are already broke right?"

"We'll figure it out, we gotta act on our goals... The first payment isn't due for another 13 weeks, so I don't see what your problem is, we got this babe."

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

]I simply cannot understand how anyone could think it's a completely bad idea to try.[/b]

It's a bad idea to try to do this in 13 years.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

It's not a goal, it's a mandate.

Why can't it be both?

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Imagine running your own life like this.

"honey, I just bought a vacation house in Hawaii, because like you said, we want to take more vacations."

"Oh really? how do you plan to pay for that ? You know we are already broke right?"

"We'll figure it out, we gotta act on our goals... The first payment isn't due for another 13 weeks, so I don't see what your problem is, we got this babe."

I realize it's a metaphor, and it won't be perfect, but for arguments sake I'll counter with this:

"Honey you said you wanted to go to Hawaii today, so let's go!"
"Ok! Grab the plane tickets!"
"What plane tickets?"
"You were supposed to get the tickets months ago! Now all the flights are full."
"Oh, well I wasn't sure if we could make it to Hawaii, so I didn't get plane tickets."
"Well, we're definitely not going to Hawaii if we don't have plane tickets!"

We can be instruments of our own failure.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I just don't understand how anyone thinks ANY government has the right to dictate what kind of fuel a person can't use for his personal transportation.

I'm going to use a mix of C4 explosives, Jack Daniels, and eagle blood! 'MERICA!!!!


But seriously, yes they can certainly tell you what fuel you can't use for personal transportation.