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LL-04 (2005). API SN. ACEA C3 (similar to A3). SAE 5W30, 5W40. The LL-04 oils have been greatly misunderstood in the past but this is now in greater demand. Most LL-04 oils are intended for Diesels, although it was also approved for gas engines in Europe and other world markets. BMW never certified LL-04 for the US (see next paragraph). Diesel oil has long been valued by engine builders and tuners because of its higher levels of ZDDP and higher HTHS ratings, both are excellent indicators of engine protection at higher temperatures. LL-04 also has a lower SAPS value which is good news for direct-injection engines (all BMW turbo engines since 2007). You won't find Genuine BMW LL-04 sold here but Red Line Euro-Series oil is produced around this standard.
As part of the efforts to make engine oil more environmentally friendly, the US EPA required ZDDP levels to be reduced in gasoline oil. However, Diesel oil was exempt from this ZDDP reduction. BMW never certified LL-04 for the US market because a) there weren't many Diesels for sale here, b) it was incompatible with the high amounts of sulfur and Ethanol in US fuel. However, since 2014 our gasoline more closely matches European formulas and interest in LL-04 has increased. LL-04 and LL-01 are interchangeable/compatible but LL-04 is preferred for its higher ZDDP and low SAPS." I think we're agreeing here. Sounds like LL-04 can be had in 5W-40 diesel oil spec but works for gas engines. It has higher ZDDP and is low ash. Rotella T6 and others have these same properties, just a bit cheaper. |
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06-07-2019, 11:33 AM | #28 |
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It's not just about weight either. It's about heat. Our cars run much hotter than my previous cars, and they all ran 30w and 40w. i always heard bmw engines ran upwards of 60w, so was surprised to see 20w being an offering.
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As i read most of you think it is at good way to go with ll-04 castrol 0-30 especially (j1980mac - G.Newt). Better than 0-20 BMW ll-14 As mentioned i am running in EU . end from my link it seems that BMW says ok for this.https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...engine/1PSryV8 I am planning to go for BM3 in the future stage1. Running to italy Next week 2000 miles with high speed 150-200 km/t for long periode of time. and i dont wont to mess up my warranty yet. Last edited by Stampe; 06-09-2019 at 06:36 AM.. |
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When I was referencing LL04, what I really meant was LL01 (my oversight). LL01 and LL14+ are BMW approved oils for the B58 according to my X3 M40i manual. I don't know that LL04 would be a good thing (or not) for our engines. |
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Walmart pennzoil 0w20 ultra platinum will work? I honestly do not see any indication of LL-01 or LL-14 on any bottles here.
What off the shelf can I grab in the Pacific northwest? I want to do my own oil change in between the yearly/10k intervals. |
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I was also told by a master bmw tech at the dealer that it's good to use 0w40 Mobil 1 if you're heavy footed and he said spirited drivers can stick to 0w30. He didn't recommend 0w20 unless you drive like a grandpa 90% of the time.
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Call a couple dealers and ask what spec oil they use. It doesn't mean that it's the best solution for your climate. I wouldn't be surprised if their motivation is to use the cheapest priced BMW oil that they can buy in bulk. They know just about any oil will get the engine to its end of warranty.
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Anyone using the "Original BMW Engine Oil /Twin Power Turbo Oil" like they sell in the kits on ECS?
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...83212365954kt/ |
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