[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Kriz2fer

There is a 70 hp increase at 2020. There is a 70 hp difference from a 2020 m550 and a 2020 m5

Yes, exactly what I meant.

But that 70HP can be gobbled up quickly with a tune, intake and exhaust.
I think by doing that it would hang or beat a stock M5. Either way, BMW upgraded the M550 engine for a reason. Which is why i needed to have it.

[AmooManiak]

On paper, sure. In reality, it's not. M5 is more along the lines of 700 HP at the crank when dyno tested. Very underrated. They make over 600 hp to the wheels.

On the other hand the N63R and N63TU3 are much closer to one another when dyno tested. There are a bunch of dynos around the forums. So while there is some bragging rights on paper, in real life these cars are not far apart. If you test drove the G30s back to back with your eyes closed (not recommended ), you would not be able to tell which is which. The M5 you would right away.

[Kriz2fer]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

On paper, sure. In reality, it's not. M5 is more along the lines of 700 HP at the crank when dyno tested. Very underrated. They make over 600 hp to the wheels.

On the other hand the N63R and N63TU3 are much closer to one another when dyno tested. There are a bunch of dynos around the forums. So while there is some bragging rights on paper, in real life these cars are not far apart. If you test drove the G30s back to back with your eyes closed (not recommended ), you would not be able to tell which is which. The M5 you would right away.

No in real world also. 2018 m550i we’re running low 12s in the 1/4 while 2020 were running mid 11s. That is about the same difference as an m550 and m5.

[Kriz2fer]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

On paper, sure. In reality, it's not. M5 is more along the lines of 700 HP at the crank when dyno tested. Very underrated. They make over 600 hp to the wheels.

On the other hand the N63R and N63TU3 are much closer to one another when dyno tested. There are a bunch of dynos around the forums. So while there is some bragging rights on paper, in real life these cars are not far apart. If you test drove the G30s back to back with your eyes closed (not recommended ), you would not be able to tell which is which. The M5 you would right away.

All bmw dyno at close to stated numbers not just the m5. Stock 2020 m550 are dyno at 530 whp. Stock m5 dyno at 600 whp.

[AmooManiak]

Originally Posted by Kriz2fer

No in real world also. 2018 m550i we’re running low 12s in the 1/4 while 2020 were running mid 11s. That is about the same difference as an m550 and m5.

No, sorry Check again.

[Kriz2fer]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

No, sorry Check again.

From car and driver:

2018-12.3-second quarter-mile at 115 mph, that makes the M550i nearly as quick as the previous-generation M5

2021-M550i and hit 60 mph in 3.5 seconds and the quarter-mile in 11.8 seconds at 119 mph.

Half a second on the drags strip is car lengths.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

On paper, sure. In reality, it's not. M5 is more along the lines of 700 HP at the crank when dyno tested. Very underrated. They make over 600 hp to the wheels.

On the other hand the N63R and N63TU3 are much closer to one another when dyno tested. There are a bunch of dynos around the forums. So while there is some bragging rights on paper, in real life these cars are not far apart. If you test drove the G30s back to back with your eyes closed (not recommended ), you would not be able to tell which is which. The M5 you would right away.

Amoo, there are people here in the M550/G30 forum with posted slips running 10's with a tune, exhaust and intake. There's even one member who dipped into the 9's. That's what I'm referencing. I know the F90 can run low 11's , high 10's. So that's why i'm saying it would be a VERY close race........again against a stock M5. But considering the M550 is half the price and much more comfortable, that is very impressive to me.

We should stop hijacking the OP's thread now.

[Gautam]

Originally Posted by Kriz2fer

Absolutely correct. Who cares about bw sound system. The difference between 2019 m550 vs 2020 m550 is the same difference between the m550 and the m5 .

The 2020’s look nice. I’m sure many if not most here would disagree with me, but I would take b&w over 70 more hp (if that were the only difference). The ‘18 is already past the threshold where it’s speed is overkill for me personally. The audio quality is something I can notice, the peak quarter mile times are something I’ll probably never experience.

[Kriz2fer]

Originally Posted by Gautam

The 2020’s look nice. I’m sure many if not most here would disagree with me, but I would take b&w over 70 more hp (if that were the only difference). The ‘18 is already past the threshold where it’s speed is overkill for me personally. The audio quality is something I can notice, the peak quarter mile times are something I’ll probably never experience.

That’s a waste of money than. Why not buy a 540? It’s cheaper to add some nice focal speakers versus paying for that sound system which isn’t all that great.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Gautam

The 2020’s look nice. I’m sure many if not most here would disagree with me, but I would take b&w over 70 more hp (if that were the only difference). The ‘18 is already past the threshold where it’s speed is overkill for me personally. The audio quality is something I can notice, the peak quarter mile times are something I’ll probably never experience.

Gautam, I was not "dissing" the B&W system at all. I would LOVE to have it, but for me the engine updates BMW did to the 2020's and up was the reason I wanted mine. It's not the horsepower upgrade, it's the internal engine components that they updated. There had to be a reason to do that.

I was just giving the OP an honest opinion. If he goes with the 2019, i'm sure it will be a great car for him.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Kriz2fer

That’s a waste of money than. Why not buy a 540? It’s cheaper to add some nice focal speakers versus paying for that sound system which isn’t all that great.

Maybe he also likes the sound of that V8

[AmooManiak]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Gautam, I was not "dissing" the B&W system at all. I would LOVE to have it, but for me the engine updates BMW did to the 2020's and up was the reason I wanted mine. It's not the horsepower upgrade, it's the internal engine components that they updated. There had to be a reason to do that.

I was just giving the OP an honest opinion. If he goes with the 2019, i'm sure it will be a great car for him.

Curious, have you owned one of each to compare the difference? N63 engines have incremental upgrades - which is the case here. Kind of like going from ID6 to ID7. It's not noticeable during regular driving - only when you compare timeslips where one is a few tenths faster.

To some it's worth it, to others other things are more important. At the end of the day a few tenths in the 1/4 won't be as noticeable as some options that you will live with every day.

S63 engines are a total different animal. Of course you can tune any G30 to make it just as fast, just like seeing 2018 cars with a tune in 10s.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

I did a cars.com search for 2020's and there were 42 for sale nationwide.

The 2020's and up had several engine upgrades aside from the larger turbo's and horsepower/torque increases. Which to me says that BMW saw a need to 'harden' certain areas of the motor. That was why mine had to be a 2020 and up.

If this car has the exact configuration you want, go for it ! But for me I wanted the updated engine and internals more than the awesome B&W system and i do not regret it.

The "must have" items for me on the car were DHP, Nappa, Executive and Luxury. The 668 wheels are AWESOME, but you can buy those easily and add later. Parking assist is really neat, especially since you can 3D view your car anywhere its parked, but not a necessity.

Up to you, but if you want solid advice, go for a 2020 and up with the updated engine and internals.

I have been considering that actually and am doing a bit more reading on it. Per this thread, MY20 saw a few other changes in addition to the engine: https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1622107
It will be nice to have an even more reliable and robust iteration of what seems to already be a fairly reliable N63 engine at this point.

The dealership is tacking on almost 8% in fees (mostly BS) to the sale price of the car I am looking at, and I am not inclined to support that type of gouging, so I may pass on this car and continue my search. Nevertheless, all the insights and strong support for the G30 M550i in this thread have bolstered my intent to get into an M550i as my next car, so thank you all once again!

[Kriz2fer]

Originally Posted by adhrp

I have been considering that actually and am doing a bit more reading on it. Per this thread, MY20 saw a few other changes in addition to the engine: https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1622107
It will be nice to have an even more reliable and robust iteration of what seems to already be a fairly reliable N63 engine at this point.

The dealership is tacking on almost 8% in fees (mostly BS) to the sale price of the car I am looking at, and I am not inclined to support that type of gouging, so I may pass on this car and continue my search. Nevertheless, all the insights and strong support for the G30 M550i in this thread have bolstered my intent to get into an M550i as my next car, so thank you all once again!

It’s half a second not a few tenths. Give me another 100 hp and I’ll take the car with no radio!

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by adhrp

I have been considering that actually and am doing a bit more reading on it. Per this thread, MY20 saw a few other changes in addition to the engine: https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1622107
It will be nice to have an even more reliable and robust iteration of what seems to already be a fairly reliable N63 engine at this point.

The dealership is tacking on almost 8% in fees (mostly BS) to the sale price of the car I am looking at, and I am not inclined to support that type of gouging, so I may pass on this car and continue my search. Nevertheless, all the insights and strong support for the G30 M550i in this thread have bolstered my intent to get into an M550i as my next car, so thank you all once again!

Adhrp, here is a list of what was updated on the 2020 motor. And i dont consider rebalancing the crankshaft and adding forged bearings a 'minor' update. In fact, i dont consider any of them 'minor' or 'incremental'.

- Electric arc wire sprayed cylinder walls
- Piston skirt coating
- Crankshaft re-balanced with new main bearing shells
- Forged rods from S63TU4
- Larger turbochargers with electrical blow-off valves
- Updated ignition system, taken from modular B series engines


The top power N63TU3 receives a few extra updates over the middle output version. Cylinder walls receive arc spraying for strength and durability. Pistons are coated to accommodate the cylinder walls update. The crankshaft is lightened and strengthened. N63TU3 forged rods are carried over from the 591 horsepower S63TU4. Larger turbochargers are responsible for the significant increase in power and torque. Finally, the ignition system is updated to support the new found power.

As evidenced, this update is almost all to do with power. New, larger turbos produce impressive numbers. The N63TU3 is mod happy and is a strong engine designed to handle the power and torque. Excellent update and beautiful engine.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Adhrp, here is a list of what was updated on the 2020 motor. And i dont consider rebalancing the crankshaft and adding forged bearings a 'minor' update. In fact, i dont consider any of them 'minor' or 'incremental'.

- Electric arc wire sprayed cylinder walls
- Piston skirt coating
- Crankshaft re-balanced with new main bearing shells
- Forged rods from S63TU4
- Larger turbochargers with electrical blow-off valves
- Updated ignition system, taken from modular B series engines


The top power N63TU3 receives a few extra updates over the middle output version. Cylinder walls receive arc spraying for strength and durability. Pistons are coated to accommodate the cylinder walls update. The crankshaft is lightened and strengthened. N63TU3 forged rods are carried over from the 591 horsepower S63TU4. Larger turbochargers are responsible for the significant increase in power and torque. Finally, the ignition system is updated to support the new found power.

As evidenced, this update is almost all to do with power. New, larger turbos produce impressive numbers. The N63TU3 is mod happy and is a strong engine designed to handle the power and torque. Excellent update and beautiful engine.

Wow, thanks for this information, those are significant improvements indeed! Not sure if this is accurate, but I read somewhere that they also changed the valve stem seals to a new material to minimize hardening from the immense heat that this engine produces.

[Gautam]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Gautam, I was not "dissing" the B&W system at all. I would LOVE to have it, but for me the engine updates BMW did to the 2020's and up was the reason I wanted mine. It's not the horsepower upgrade, it's the internal engine components that they updated. There had to be a reason to do that.

I was just giving the OP an honest opinion. If he goes with the 2019, i'm sure it will be a great car for him.

Yeah I don’t mean to diss the ‘20 or ‘21+ in the slightest either. They’re straight up better, who wouldn’t want a superior engine? The M550’s do an amazing job of catering to people with a wide variety of tastes.

[ezaircon4jc]

So adhrp... what's the verdict?

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

So adhrp... what's the verdict?

Holding off for now. See my post above re: dealer fees at ~8%. Not going to happen, pass.

[admranger]

Originally Posted by adhrp

I am looking at a CPO 2019 M550i with 38k miles on it and the following packages: Driving Asst Plus, Luxury Seating, Premium Pkg, Executive Pkg, Parking Asst Pkg, Bowers and Wilkins audio, Nappa leather seats, 20" 668M wheels, and ceramic controls. The original warranty is valid through June 2023, then 1 yr of CPO warranty. Sticker shows that it was $89k new. Dealer is asking $58k + TTL. Is this a decent price?

I pored over the maintenance and CPO documentation and looks good overall other than a turbo wastegate that had to be replaced at around 32k miles, which is a bit concerning re: long-term reliability.

I know this isn't the best market to buy, but I am looking at $5k in upcoming expenses on my 2012 328i with 130k miles on the odo that has a trade-in value of $5-5.5k, so I am thinking I might as well get into a newer car as long as I am not paying too much of a mark-up obtaining one. I am not considering the 540i.

This is right at what I paid for mine and it's a 2018. So yeah, good price in today's market.

[23109VC]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

A little late to the party. That price sounds about right and those aren't a lot of miles for a 2019. What's important is that you have another 2+ years of BMW warranty. The car seems well equipped. My short list of must haves when shopping where 668M's and B&W, missing either was a hard pass. Congrats, go for it. It is a beast. A modest tune and you have more HP than a 2020+.

When you buy the car - for $4000 extra you can extend the CPO coverage an additional two years - which will give you essentially a factory warranty from 84 months starting from the date in the car was *originally put in a service* by the first owner

so if your car has about a year left on the factory warranty the CPO coverage gives you one more year, and then you extend it two more - so you walk out the dealership with almost 4 years of bumper-to-bumper coverage.

I bought a 2018 CPOM 550 about a year ago and did the exact same thing I also spent the money for the extended service contract which goes up to 125,000 miles.

Also the CPO extension is not mileage based at all - purely measured on time - so you could drive the stink out of it and put on well over 100,000 miles and everything that goes wrong with it will be covered during that four year period.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by adhrp

Holding off for now. See my post above re: dealer fees at ~8%. Not going to happen, pass.

Good call. So not only are dealerships raking in huge profits on every new/used sale, now they're tacking on an additional 8% of horseshit to certify what aholes they are.