[RichReg]

Originally Posted by cntlaw

Not sure about that. The earlier you have got your new car, the quicker you change to another more powerful car. e.g. M3 E90.
The best is to buy a new generation model in the earliest stage, as car specifications can be changed on a bi-annual basis in near future I wish I got my E90 a year ago like you did.

With all due respect, not all of us have the funds to trade in our cars every 2 years and would prefer to own (rather than lease) something that stands the test of time for just a little bit longer than that.

[user1]

Originally Posted by cntlaw

Really not sure if BMW will give you guys a 310hp 3.5 litre E90 for the same price as the current 252hp 330i. This power is pretty close to current M3! This is over 20% power increase over the 330i. Look at what 300hp IS350, 300hp Accura RL gonna charge you, they were never priced the price and they were never the same car anymore.
All your points of your price model are taken.
Thanks.

First off, the 330i has 255HP. Second, nobody in this thread has said the 335i will be the same price as a 330i. Most of us agree the price will increase by a small amount (low single digit percentage) similar to price increases when past models were revamped.

A 15% increase that you think will occur makes absolutely no sense for all the reasons I have stated in the previous posts. Other than your feeling, what information (historical data, insider documentation) do you have to support your position?

[cntlaw]

Originally Posted by user1

First off, the 330i has 255HP. Second, nobody in this thread has said the 335i will be the same price as a 330i. Most of us agree the price will increase by a small amount (low single digit percentage) similar to price increases when past models were revamped.

A 15% increase that you think will occur makes absolutely no sense for all the reasons I have stated in the previous posts. Other than your feeling, what information (historical data, insider documentation) do you have to support your position?

It will be more than that. Your cost model based on nothing but your own feeling. 'Most of us agree' - It is more appropriate that most of you 'wish' that is the deal. and, no way guys, BMW is not giving you a charity. Do you have one clue what is 310hp on a E90 means ? And, many here thought a 100 less power 325i can do their day job already

I put a $500 bet with YOU, the 335i is not just 5% more than the 330i.

[THE JEDI]

chama, don't mean to doubt ya, but no way a dealr can offer you a 2005 325 with sports package for $29,500 even with european delivery the cheapest I've ever seen is $30,850 and that was a solid deal......soory not calling you a liar by any means....but ya better check that one my friend.

[cntlaw]

Originally Posted by RichReg

With all due respect, not all of us have the funds to trade in our cars every 2 years and would prefer to own (rather than lease) something that stands the test of time for just a little bit longer than that.

True. May be 3 years make more sense to enjoy the depreciated value.
Think again, if we want to keep a car for 3+ yrs, what's new in the market is just non of our business any more.
By the time, on the road, the 335i are really taking over 330i will be 2007 already.

And honestly, I think the 335i is going to be a cry of the century.
You have to wait much longer, to pay more and it is still much much slower than the M3 E46 , not to mention M3 V8 in 2006.

It is not worth to regret.

[3aficionado]

Originally Posted by cntlaw

It will be more than that. Your cost model based on nothing but your own feeling. 'Most of us agree' - It is more appropriate that most of you 'wish' that is the deal. and, no way guys, BMW is not giving you a charity. Do you have one clue what is 310hp on a E90 means ? And, many here thought a 100 less power 325i can do their day job already

I put a $500 bet with YOU, the 335i is not just 5% more than the 330i.

No need to get rude. You are twisting everything that was posted then asking user1 to bet on it. I think all user1 is asking that you prove your position and state how you came to the 15% increase. User1's first post already shows why he thinks a 15% will be too much.

[E90-4life]

these kind of threads are getting kind of annoying because they all have the SAME outcome.

Paitence is a pain.

[cntlaw]

Originally Posted by 3aficionado

No need to get rude. You are twisting everything that was posted then asking user1 to bet on it. I think all user1 is asking that you prove your position and state how you came to the 15% increase. User1's first post already shows why he thinks a 15% will be too much.

3aficionado

I did not say my guess of 15% is based on any articles, documents, figures, did I ? User1 did not like people challenge his price model. And I would not bother to challenge his price model because that was BS.
If you guys don't like 15%, you don't need to agree with me.
Why you want to press me to provide document and evidence?
Can User1 provide document and any evidence how the 335i will be charged?

Yes. I twisted , so what ? Why I have to agree with you guys? You come from no ground to say the 335i is 5% more than the 330i.

I still bet $500 and take you in , another $500. Okay?

[db17k]

5%, 15%, for 310BHP in an E90 i'd pay the difference. if you think about it, pretty much everyone who's bought a 06' 330i E90 on this forum probably could have bought a used 01'-02' E46 M3 instead, but they didn't because of the new design, features, or whatever, but not horsepower. All i'm saying is that much horsepower in an E90 is very appealing to people on this forum. and that probably at least half of the 06' 330i owners here would spring for the 335i even at a 15% increase in price. just my opinion

[user1]

Originally Posted by 3aficionado

No need to get rude ... User1's first post already shows why he thinks a 15% will be too much.

Thank you. At least someone is reading the posts before responding. I don't know how I got into this thread when I was only agreeing with your historically based conclusion.

For the record all my conclusions are spelled out in previous posts. The 5% I used in one post was only an example using cntlaws rs4 priced m3 claim. As I have already stated in two previous posts (I feel like SpeedFreak having to repeat himself), I agree with others that the 335i sedan increase will be in the single digit percentages. For those that aren’t math whizzes a single digit percentage is 1-9% A 1-9% increase means a 335i sedan will cost 36966 to 39894. If we get NA engine it will be on the lower end of the scale and if we get turbo it will be near the higher end.

As e904life posted, we all need patience. We’ll see in about a year when the 335i sedan prices are released.

[cntlaw]

Originally Posted by user1

For the record all my conclusions are spelled out in previous posts. The 5% I used in one post was only an example using cntlaws rs4 priced m3 claim. As I have already stated in two previous posts (I feel like SpeedFreak having to repeat himself), I agree with others that the 335i sedan increase will be in the single digit percentages. For those that aren’t math whizzes a single digit percentage is 1-9% A 1-9% increase means a 335i sedan will cost 36966 to 39894. If we get NA engine it will be on the lower end of the scale and if we get turbo it will be near the higher end.
.

User1

That's fine. Thx for explained.
I was half joking. (you know that )

Not so much of the price issue, I really wanted to point out that 310hp E90 is entering the high performance territories of Porsche, AMG, M3.., E500 etc

There is no free engine power. Examples, M3 E46 and C55 AMG were both priced around 60K with ~350-370hp. And now, for 400hp+, M3 V8 and Rs4 are 70K+. Not saying there must some correlation of power and $ , however, most of the time , it is.

Have a nice day.


cnt

[user1]

Originally Posted by cntlaw

User1

That's fine. Thx for explained.
I was half joking. (you know that )

Not so much of the price issue, I really wanted to point out that 310hp E90 is entering the high performance territories of Porsche, AMG, M3.., E500 etc

There is no free engine power. Examples, M3 E46 and C55 AMG were both priced around 60K with ~350-370hp. And now, for 400hp+, M3 V8 and Rs4 are 70K+. Not saying there must some correlation of power and $ , however, most of the time , it is.

Have a nice day.


cnt

I can agree with that. You make good points about power and price. I figured you were joking some and I have been enjoying the posts. Its hard to express tone on a message board. By the sounds of things you are following the 335 news closely... are you a 330i purchaser or a 335i holdout?

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Arby 330

I think a 70,000$ luxery sedan is a little rediculous too, im only 17...

I would think a $40k luxury sedan is also ridiculous for a 17yr old who has trouble spelling. Lucky sperm club?

..I just couldn't resist..

[cntlaw]

Originally Posted by user1

I can agree with that. You make good points about power and price. I figured you were joking some and I have been enjoying the posts. Its hard to express tone on a message board. By the sounds of things you are following the 335 news closely... are you a 330i purchaser or a 335i holdout?

user1

you have great patience with a dumbasss like me
My 330i will be delivered in Jan06, practically speaking, the 335i does not bother me too much because I had always been after a more fuel economy sporty car E90 325i (2.5 Litre). It was while adding my must-have options bi-xenon, adaptive steering, I said what the hell, let's get the 'top one'. So, it really is already a way overbudget buy for me this time. Logically speaking, I feel the same shhttt as some power hunger E90 owners who are seeing a bigger brother 310hp due to production. Even the 335i were on sale now, I was unlikely to get one because our tax rise exponentially. If it is 10% more in USA, it will be 'effectively' 15-20% more on us for our high local price.

I must say, it is pretty tempting though for a close to M3 taste BMW street car first time in history.

cnt

[stressdoc]

Nice diplomacy guys, well done. Hopefully we will all get a kick out of the new 335i, whenever and whatever its eventual composition and pricetag.

We had just @#$%^&* well better get what the Euro market gets here in the NA market!

[RichReg]

Here's my bet:

The new 2007 335i...
Starting @ $39,995 plus destination.

[crex]

that pic of the 335ci is out there somewhere with all the info in the press kit.. somebody please do humanity a favor for the greater good and post it.... !!!!!

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by RichReg

Here's my bet:

The new 2007 335i...
Starting @ $39,995 plus destination.

I was thinking $42k but the more I think about it, you might be closer than I am.

[user1]

Does anyone think the price in the US will be higher if the US gets Turbo over a NA engine?

I'm guessing if the NA engine happens the increase will be lower than if the Turbo makes it to the US. Turbo means more R&D costs so a higher price. Plus a first year gasoline turbo could have a higher warranty cost to BMW. Thoughts?

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Socom

I was thinking $42k but the more I think about it, you might be closer than I am.

I think so.
The marketing dept. will raise the price on any option that they have to so long as it "appears" that the car starts below $40K.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by user1

Does anyone think the price in the US will be higher if the US gets Turbo over a NA engine?

I'm guessing if the NA engine happens the increase will be lower than if the Turbo makes it to the US. Turbo means more R&D costs so a higher price. Plus a first year gasoline turbo could have a higher warranty cost to BMW. Thoughts?

After the several recent posts by Tine, I am really beginning to think there is only an upgrade to the 3.0 liter coming, not a 3.5 liter. Sorry, Speed..

A turbo might cost a good amount more. Here, read this posted today: BMW TurboSteamer

I wonder if thats somewhat close to our upcoming 'turbo'?

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by RichReg

A turbo might cost a good amount more. Here, read this posted today: BMW TurboSteamer

I wonder if thats somewhat close to our upcoming 'turbo'?

No, if you read BMWs press release from last week on this system they are testing, you will see they say its at least 6 to 7 years away from production