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View Poll Results: What do you feel is the most technologically advanced racing series?
Formula 1 95 88.79%
WRC 2 1.87%
DTM 0 0%
ALMS Prototypes 6 5.61%
ALMS GT 1 0.93%
Indy Car 1 0.93%
Grand AM 0 0%
IHRA Top Fuel 0 0%
Other (Please Name) 1 0.93%
NASCAR 1 0.93%
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      10-20-2010, 02:22 PM   #1
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Most advanced racing series?

Somebody on the DTM thread said it was F1 but I dont think it is.

I personally think that its ALMS Prototypes because of the tech that goes into those cars and how long they have to race but im curious about what you guys think.
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I voted for F1 but I think there are arguments for both F1 and ALMS Prototypes. I would say they are very close to each other in terms of technology.
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I can see that but F1 is a sprint race as I said on the other thread try running an F1 car for 24hours straight
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If that was the objective in their race then they would do that but it's not. They're meant to run 3ish races and be tossed. Why? Because they're at the pinnacle of performance which means they are on the razors edge of failure.
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Very valid point
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If that was the objective in their race then they would do that but it's not. They're meant to run 3ish races and be tossed. Why? Because they're at the pinnacle of performance which means they are on the razors edge of failure.
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hard to pick between ALMS Prototype or Le Mans 24 hours vs Formula 1.....
these two types of motorsport is totally different, one is to balance durability and speed plus tactics. The other is on the limit of aerodynamics....even tho recent FIA is introducing more rules to increase the longevity and durability/reliability of Formula 1 car parts and engines....
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Being at the nails edge of performance isnt what makes F1 technologically superior.

IMO building a car to be run at race speeds for upwards of 24 hours without anything more that a pad swap tires and fuel is much more of a technical achievement than building something really fast that runs on track for a 12th of the time of a lemans prototype. How many racing hours does an F1 engine have? 8-12 tops? Building something to last double or triple that time is more technologically advanced because longevity is the main factor.

Le mans racing has seen advancements that are seen on almost all road cars today. Disk brakes, seatbelts, engines in supercars, electronics, aerodynamic study in lift and wings.

Lemans is about balance in longevity and raw performance...something F1 is not
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Being at the nails edge of performance isnt what makes F1 technologically superior.

IMO building a car to be run at race speeds for upwards of 24 hours without anything more that a pad swap tires and fuel is much more of a technical achievement than building something really fast that runs on track for a 12th of the time of a lemans prototype. How many racing hours does an F1 engine have? 8-12 tops? Building something to last double or triple that time is more technologically advanced because longevity is the main factor.

Le mans racing has seen advancements that are seen on almost all road cars today. Disk brakes, seatbelts, engines in supercars, electronics, aerodynamic study in lift and wings.

Lemans is about balance in longevity and raw performance...something F1 is not
What I felt about Formula 1 is that they are most concern about aerodynamics and innovation of new technology, doesn't necessary to be reliable and durable. Some doesn't even works.

and Le mans type racing is more about longevity and make sure parts works non stop 24 hours!

I thought aerodynamics on Formula 1 is more sensitive than Lemans series?

being innovative doesn't mean its reliable, being reliable doesn't mean its the first to invent technology.

still...i'm just a F1-fanboy....nothing beats the engine revving 18k rpm....
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Wheres the NIRA circuit???
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These days it's easily Le Mans prototypes.

If the FIA removed the stupid aero and engine restrictions F1 would be far ahead.
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These days it's easily Le Mans prototypes.

If the FIA removed the stupid aero and engine restrictions F1 would be far ahead.
Well, restrictions also force creativity.
Double Decker Diffusor, Blown Diffusor, F-Duct, RBR "FlexWings", Wheel Covers, Side-pot mounted mirrors works as vertical veins. etc....

If there's no restrictions, teams will just keep adding small wings and elements like back in 2006-2008. And teams will keep looking for more and more downforce until the tires flatten like a pancake...
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Le mans racing has seen advancements that are seen on almost all road cars today. Disk brakes, seatbelts, engines in supercars, electronics, aerodynamic study in lift and wings.

Lemans is about balance in longevity and raw performance...something F1 is not
You are referring to durability/reliability. F1 contributes almost nothing to this, but its impact on TECHNOLOGY in road cars has been tremendous.

Do you know how many technologies were developed and enhanced in F1 before being introduced to road cars?

Active suspension, traction control, paddle-shift/single clutch automated manual transmissions, carbon braking technologies, aerodynamics, engine oil/lubricants technologies, carbon fiber structural technology...the list goes on and on.
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^the same can be said if Le mans cars. High performance diesels, extensive use of turbos in racing...high tech turbos not Like turbo F1 cars in the 70s. Transmissions, engines that are actually used in road cars and engine software. The list of things goes on and on for both series but I'd say that you see more usable road car tech from Le mans cars because most of them are based somewhat in roadcar tech. Things like the V12 ^in the Aston lolas. Straight transplant from the DBS with minor modifications
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Being at the nails edge of performance isnt what makes F1 technologically superior.

IMO building a car to be run at race speeds for upwards of 24 hours without anything more that a pad swap tires and fuel is much more of a technical achievement than building something really fast that runs on track for a 12th of the time of a lemans prototype. How many racing hours does an F1 engine have? 8-12 tops? Building something to last double or triple that time is more technologically advanced because longevity is the main factor.
There's the hole in your argument. ALMS cars have a huge emphasis on lasting for a full race. F1 cars are faster by a mile and don't have to compromise between performance and reliability. That's why they are technologically superior. Consider the G forces associated with travelling in a formula car as well. The stress the engine has to withstand is substantially more than a prototype could ever put it through. They rev up to 18000 rpm (21000 a few years back until the FIA started limiting them) while the LMP cars are not anywhere near those levels of exertion on engine internals.

Sorry but lasting a long time does not make an engine more advanced. Might as well add a '73 Civic with 8000000 miles to the list, because a LMP car or and F1 car couldn't travel that far on a single engine!
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Transmissions, engines that are actually used in road cars and engine software. The list of things goes on and on for both series but I'd say that you see more usable road car tech from Le mans cars because most of them are based somewhat in roadcar tech. Things like the V12 ^in the Aston lolas. Straight transplant from the DBS with minor modifications
Is your argument LMPS vs. F1 or ALMS vs. F1? Because trying to argue a racing series with four different class types versus an almost spec series doesn't make much sense.
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Well as I've said all out performance has the hat tip upwards F1. But in order to finish first you must first finish.

Le mans prototypes pull over 3.5 G and produce over 700hp in a V12 that revs up to 8000 rpm in the Aston. The diesels make something like 800lbft and rev to 5k.

How is longevity not considered a basis for technological advancement? Being able to perform at the limit for as long as those cars do is technologically challenging and you guys just diminish that for no good reason.
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Is your argument LMPS vs. F1 or ALMS vs. F1? Because trying to argue a racing series with four different class types versus an almost spec series doesn't make much sense.
Lmp is a class in alms which run the same cars as Le mans series ^in Europe and the best from those series race at Le mans
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