[ENstig8or]

I for one do not want an electric car. I drove my friend's X5 45e and absolutely hated it. Parking a vehicle that makes no sound was very unnerving. Plus, as it stands now, these EV's are inconvenient for long trips. I frequently drive from Florida to NJ and I only stop for gas and bathroom breaks. My X7 can make the 1205 mile trip with 2 stops as could my old Escalade. I do not want to waste time along the way for a charge. Now maybe when they can make these with a 1000+ mile range and pump sound emulating an engine through the speakers, I'll consider one, but that won't be in the near future.

[Wanderer73]

Genuinely curious what you mean by "parking a vehicle that makes no sound was very unnerving"?

[sotti]

Originally Posted by ENstig8or

I for one do not want an electric car. I drove my friend's X5 45e and absolutely hated it. Parking a vehicle that makes no sound was very unnerving. Plus, as it stands now, these EV's are inconvenient for long trips. I frequently drive from Florida to NJ and I only stop for gas and bathroom breaks. My X7 can make the 1205 mile trip with 2 stops as could my old Escalade. I do not want to waste time along the way for a charge. Now maybe when they can make these with a 1000+ mile range and pump sound emulating an engine through the speakers, I'll consider one, but that won't be in the near future.

I mean you're talking 400 mile range and still needing to fill up immediately when you get to your destination.

EVs do have close to 400, and are upcoming models are promising more. We are also seeing charging rates of 300kw/hrs or more. When you get 400mi on 100kw charge it'll take less than 20 minutes to top off the battery. So your stops are 10 minute longer than just fueling, but not much longer.

Also both the bmw and the merc can give you pretend enginge sounds or not.

So were almost there.

[ENstig8or]

Originally Posted by Wanderer73

Genuinely curious what you mean by "parking a vehicle that makes no sound was very unnerving"?

Simply that. When you hit the start button and put it in reverse to back out of a space, it's silent. I like to hear the engine. Sound is one of many cues like visual ones to gauge speed etc. People walking behind you hear nothing also. They're more apt to walk behind a vehicle backing out that is silent. It's kind of like riding my Harley. I had deer run out in front of me on 2 separate occasions the first week I had it. I bought louder pipes, and it never happened again.

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by sotti

I mean you're talking 400 mile range and still needing to fill up immediately when you get to your destination.

EVs do have close to 400, and are upcoming models are promising more. We are also seeing charging rates of 300kw/hrs or more. When you get 400mi on 100kw charge it'll take less than 20 minutes to top off the battery. So your stops are 10 minute longer than just fueling, but not much longer.

Also both the bmw and the merc can give you pretend enginge sounds or not.

So were almost there.

What EVs are you speaking of with real-world range nearing 400 miles?

While you're at it don't pretend like the charging infrastructure is even at 5% of what it needs to be.

[bono]

If you enjoy sound of Harley, I can see how you do not enjoy lack of noise from EV (btw, it is quiet, but it is making a noise, so it is not silent).

X7 plug-in would be perfect for me. Currently, I have X5 which I use for longer trips / towing and wife has 530e. 90% of the mileage with 530e is in a full electric mode. I truly enjoy the way the electric motor works, even though it is not that strong motor.

Originally Posted by ENstig8or

Simply that. When you hit the start button and put it in reverse to back out of a space, it's silent. I like to hear the engine. Sound is one of many cues like visual ones to gauge speed etc. People walking behind you hear nothing also. They're more apt to walk behind a vehicle backing out that is silent. It's kind of like riding my Harley. I had deer run out in front of me on 2 separate occasions the first week I had it. I bought louder pipes, and it never happened again.

[k23435]

Originally Posted by k23435

Just to close the loop on this, I visited the local Land Rover dealership yesterday as they were showcasing the new Range Rover. I quite liked it, but naturally you may feel differently.

Unfortunately the sales person confirmed, that the new Range Rover PHEV will only come in Short Wheelbase (SWB), and thus it is not available in the Long Wheelbase (LWB) 7 seater configuration.

The search continues, the shortlist for 7 seater PHEV now includes:

1. BMW X7 LCI (sadly unlikely to come in PHEV)
2. Upcoming Volvo XC90 (potentially introduced in 2022 for MY2023)
3. Upcoming (?) Audi Q9 (potentially introduced in 2023 for MY2024)

Many thanks for the suggestions in the other thread, unfortunately majority of them are not on sale on this side of the Atlantic.

OK, now Audi Q9 is off the table as well, as it turned out to be Audi Q6 destined for the Chinese market: https://www.motor1.com/news/573503/2...-reveal-china/

That leaves BMW X7 LCI (unlikely) and upcoming new Volvo XC90 (called Volvo Embla?) as potential premium 7 seater PHEV options. It seems too niche of a market to cater for, and/or too difficult to overcome technical limitations.

[thenew3]

Originally Posted by k23435

OK, now Audi Q9 is off the table as well, as it turned out to be Audi Q6 destined for the Chinese market: https://www.motor1.com/news/573503/2...-reveal-china/

That leaves BMW X7 LCI (unlikely) and upcoming new Volvo XC90 (called Volvo Embla?) as potential premium 7 seater PHEV options. It seems too niche of a market to cater for, and/or too difficult to overcome technical limitations.

So is the SWB Range Rover too small for you? The XC90 is about the same size, maybe even a little shorter.

[cheapie408]

For those that are looking at the XC90, I wouldn't be too excited. I came from an XC90 MY18 that had every imaginable option (t6) not t8. for about the price of a base x7 you can have everything offer by Volvo which sounded nice It is nice to look at but the build quality leaves alot to be desired. Everyone that sat in the 3rd row had something bad to say, noise was one of the primary complaints then the level of comfort.

[thenew3]

Originally Posted by cheapie408

For those that are looking at the XC90, I wouldn't be too excited. I came from an XC90 MY18 that had every imaginable option (t6) not t8. for about the price of a base x7 you can have everything offer by Volvo which sounded nice It is nice to look at but the build quality leaves alot to be desired. Everyone that sat in the 3rd row had something bad to say, noise was one of the primary complaints then the level of comfort.

I know someone with a XC90 T8, they've had to have the electric motor and battery pack replaced multiple times. The darn thing was at the dealer every other week for some kind of repair or software update.

My father has a XC90 T6, has been relatively trouble free. The 3rd row is not suitable for humans above 4 feet tall. and that 4 cylinder sounds horrible.

[cheapie408]

Originally Posted by thenew3

I know someone with a XC90 T8, they've had to have the electric motor and battery pack replaced multiple times. The darn thing was at the dealer every other week for some kind of repair or software update.

My father has a XC90 T6, has been relatively trouble free. The 3rd row is not suitable for humans above 4 feet tall. and that 4 cylinder sounds horrible.

If you have the inscription trim your seats are probably worn too.

14 months into ownership and dozen of services, Volvo took the car back. I'm having my fair share of issues with the x7 but I still enjoy it more than the XC90

[k23435]

Originally Posted by thenew3

So is the SWB Range Rover too small for you? The XC90 is about the same size, maybe even a little shorter.

Unfortunately SWB RR is not available with 7 seats, with 4 kids it is a non-negotiable requirement for me.

LWB RR is available with 7 seats, but not as PHEV. As the tax on car price is linked to the emissions here, the non-PHEV is USD 50 000 more expensive making it a no-go.

Interested to see if the 48V system makes a meaningful dent to the X7 emissions.

[rich5741]

Originally Posted by k23435

Unfortunately SWB RR is not available with 7 seats, with 4 kids it is a non-negotiable requirement for me.

LWB RR is available with 7 seats, but not as PHEV. As the tax on car price is linked to the emissions here, the non-PHEV is USD 50 000 more expensive making it a no-go.

Interested to see if the 48V system makes a meaningful dent to the X7 emissions.

The current 40i already has a 48V system, although it may be beefed up in the LCI implementation.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by k23435

Unfortunately SWB RR is not available with 7 seats, with 4 kids it is a non-negotiable requirement for me.

LWB RR is available with 7 seats, but not as PHEV. As the tax on car price is linked to the emissions here, the non-PHEV is USD 50 000 more expensive making it a no-go.

Interested to see if the 48V system makes a meaningful dent to the X7 emissions.

I would actually want an X7 with only 5 seats

[xlover]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

I would actually want an X7 with only 5 seats

Then you probably want an XM
-bigger than x5
-PHEV
-4 or 5 seats (concept was 4 but could see a bench option being realistic)
-and 650hp total between the v8 and hybrid system

[thenew3]

Originally Posted by k23435

Unfortunately SWB RR is not available with 7 seats, with 4 kids it is a non-negotiable requirement for me.

LWB RR is available with 7 seats, but not as PHEV. As the tax on car price is linked to the emissions here, the non-PHEV is USD 50 000 more expensive making it a no-go.

Interested to see if the 48V system makes a meaningful dent to the X7 emissions.

If you have 4 kids then the XC90 is not for you. Unless your kids are really small and you plan to keep the car for only a couple of years.
The 3rd row of XC90 is only suitable for folks under 4ft or so tall.
My 7 year old is 4ft 2 inches and is already complaining about it being super cramped and uncomfortable in the 3rd row of the XC90. He loves the 3rd row of my X7 though.

The X7 can sit average sized adults in the 3rd row without issue. My wife and oldest son are 5'7" and 5'8" and they've sat in the 3rd row on longer trips (2+ hours) and said they were comfortable.

[JoeyDDD0919]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

I would actually want an X7 with only 5 seats

Don't push those buttons in the trunk and get a 2nd row bench seats. It will save you $850 on the captain Seats as well.

[thenew3]

Originally Posted by rich5741

The current 40i already has a 48V system, although it may be beefed up in the LCI implementation.

the 48V system is basically a more advanced start/stop system. Doesn't do much in terms of increasing efficiency of the vehicle. In fact the EPA estimates have gone down for X7 with 48V system. in 2020 X7 40i has EPA estimate of 20/25 mpg city/hwy. in 2021 when 48v was added, that went to 19/24.

BMW's implementation of the 48V system is a bandaid. None of the auxiliary functions run off the 48v system like the AC compressor. The system actually adds a little bit of weight (from the extra battery and cabling) so that's probably part of the reason why the EPA estimates went down for X7 with 48V.
MB has a better 48v system. No belts, everything is run off the 48V system including the AC compressor.

[k23435]

Thanks everyone, agree on the sentiment on XC90. We tested it as well, and X7 was a clear winner.

I have not yet seen any speculation on the dimensions of the Volvo Embla, in addition to which there has been rumours on XC100 which could be a more direct competitor to X7 and GLS.

Easiest choice would be X7 LCI, assuming BMW manages to reduce emissions and consequently tax on purchase price. Otherwise, I see no reason why not to hold on to our current X7 for a few years longer, until something clearly superior becomes available.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by xlover

Then you probably want an XM
-bigger than x5
-PHEV
-4 or 5 seats (concept was 4 but could see a bench option being realistic)
-and 650hp total between the v8 and hybrid system

Yes but pricewise a whole different category, especially at intro with only the big engine offered

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by JoeyDDD0919

Don't push those buttons in the trunk and get a 2nd row bench seats. It will save you $850 on the captain Seats as well.

My issue is that the trunk space is not covered. Being OCD it would be hard to keep those armrests for third row in mint condition. I hope they do smthg about that. Otherwise I like the car both pre LCI and LCI (from what I have seen). Question does X7 have sunglasses holder in the roof?

[Wild Blue]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

My issue is that the trunk space is not covered. Being OCD it would be hard to keep those armrests for third row in mint condition. I hope they do smthg about that. Otherwise I like the car both pre LCI and LCI (from what I have seen). Question does X7 have sunglasses holder in the roof?

nope