[chenry]

Hi All
Here is my follow up post with Dyno results for the Mission Performance Full E85 Flash on an otherwise 100% stock M340. Flash was delivered via the MP app (soon to be released). And when I say the car is stock - it was as stock as the minute it drove off the dealer lot.

As I've mentioned before this is about as far as Mission Performance is willing to take things on full E85 on an otherwise stock car, keeping drivability, linear power delivery, and reliability etc in tact. More power can be gained by running an E30/E40 flash. And as much as I like the E30/E40 tunes I'm really enjoying the fun of pumping full E85

Car drives as though it came from the factory this way - smooth as can be and I couldn't be more happy with this set-up. While I'm no expert when it comes to these things even I know enough to be impressed by the flat Torque curve on the graph.

Hope this helps anyone that is E85 curious....


Summary WHP (add approximately 15% for crank)

• Stock HP: 354.24
• MP E85 Flash HP: 453.71
• HP Difference: 99.47 HP or 28%

Summary WTRQ (add approximately 15% for crank)

• Stock TRQ: 394.00
• MP E85 Flash TRQ: 453.37
• TRQ Difference: 59.37 TRQ or 15%

[R2i3a]

Would love to see other accompanying mods and also some 0-60 and 1/4 mile times

[chenry]

Originally Posted by Rastainna

Would love to see other accompanying mods and also some 0-60 and 1/4 mile times

No accompanying mods. Bone stock car right down to the oem air filter - running MP E85 flash and well E85 (which tested in the high 70% range according to my little plastic tester). No additional sensors etc...the car is as stock (other than my springs, wheels, and cosmetic mods) as it was the day I drove it off the dealer lot.

In the past I had a DP on this car and an intake pipe and air filter. But I put it all back to stock a couple months back in anticipation of a dealer recall and warranty visit and just left it that way.

Hope this helps

[R2i3a]

Originally Posted by chenry

No accompanying mods. Bone stock car right down to the oem airlifter - running MP E85 flash and well E85 (which tested in the high 70% range according to my little plastic tester)

In the past I had a DP on this car and an intake pipe and airfilter. But I put it all back to stock a couple months back in anticipation of a dealer recall and warranty visit and just left it that way.

Hope this helps

Ok so the stock fuel pump is ok at WOT pumping e85 for that power?

[chenry]

Originally Posted by Rastainna

Ok so the stock fuel pump is ok at WOT pumping e85 for that power?

Short answer is yes - but we are now moving beyond my level of expertise (which is pretty low)

MissionPerformance do you have logs you can post and share and/or add some more detail - you know something more than my "yes." You discussed this with me but a lot of it was over my head TY

[brwnbo1]

App soon to be released you say :

[mike@x-ph.com]

Nice

[Banana Clipper]

Guess MP is just staying focused on the MY2020's then?

[MissionPerformance]

Noticed we got tagged in by the OP and decided to lift my head from the drawing board and pop back into the forums.

This was one of those days when your development beats all expectations. The dyno day we setup was targeted for 3 things: End-User unlocking, E85 tuning and full, in field App testing.

We will not go into the unlocking discussion on this thread, and once we see fit, a dedicated thread will be made for that. But when it comes to the E85 setup, the results beat all expectations. Originally, we set up chenry with out E85 tune that was developed nearly 2 years ago to drive on and give impressions. While he was proving feedback, few things were getting adjusted behind the scenes to raise and smoothen out torque curve and provide (how he put it) OEM like drivability on foreign to the vehicle fuel. Here is the dyno graphs comparing the initial E85 that he was driving on for few months vs the Final (And development in between). As he put it, the initial solution did not have the much needed punch, but I believe that this concern was addressed with following revisions quite well. The fuel pressures are very healthy, timing is relatively low and boost is only 15psi at low end climbing to 20 towards redline. Yes there is more room to go, and possible to hit 500whp without a doubt, BUT that is not what we do. At those levels, HPFP will be at about 95% flow capacity, and that leaves no room for margin or conditional changes. Irresponsible power is just not something we sell to customers and never will. And as always, logs at dyno (for final run) are here:
https://datazap.me/u/missiontuning/b...2&zoom=131-249

Dyno:



The other purpose of this dyno event was to have an in-the-field live test of the new mFlasher platform. Once again, the results beat all expectations. I am sure OP can give you a much better worded opinion/viewpoint on the platform and how it is in the hands of end-user, but for us as developers, every test went smoothly. From basic flashing to adaptive learning. SMART Emergency recovery to E85 calculations. Every aspect performed great with only minor issues (mostly UI) that will need to get addressed before we begin a more extended beta testing phase. Again, that is a topic for other time.

[iPetey]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Noticed we got tagged in by the OP and decided to lift my head from the drawing board and pop back into the forums.

This was one of those days when your development beats all expectations. The dyno day we setup was targeted for 3 things: End-User unlocking, E85 tuning and full, in field App testing.

We will not go into the unlocking discussion on this thread, and once we see fit, a dedicated thread will be made for that. But when it comes to the E85 setup, the results beat all expectations. Originally, we set up chenry with out E85 tune that was developed nearly 2 years ago to drive on and give impressions. While he was proving feedback, few things were getting adjusted behind the scenes to raise and smoothen out torque curve and provide (how he put it) OEM like drivability on foreign to the vehicle fuel. Here is the dyno graphs comparing the initial E85 that he was driving on for few months vs the Final (And development in between). As he put it, the initial solution did not have the much needed punch, but I believe that this concern was addressed with following revisions quite well. The fuel pressures are very healthy, timing is relatively low and boost is only 15psi at low end climbing to 20 towards redline. Yes there is more room to go, and possible to hit 500whp without a doubt, BUT that is not what we do. Irresponsible power is just not something we sell to customers. And as always, logs at dyno (for final run) are here:
https://datazap.me/u/missiontuning/b...2&zoom=131-249

Dyno:

Amazing stuff!!!

chenry do you have any other engine work / changes?

MissionPerformance Will this be released / for sale soon? Also will it be similar to the current flash that adjusts automatically for e30 blend? When will current users that are flashed be able to use the mobile app as well?

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by Banana Clipper

Guess MP is just staying focused on the MY2020's then?

You are partially correct. The work is being split right now between the 2 generations, but priority currently is the App. With the app, the ground work for post-2021 DMEs is already being put in place but will only go live once earlier generations show to perform perfectly without issues. The main reason for that is this:
-Prior-2021 ECUs can be bench flashed. If, in the unlikely event, the app fails and even our Smart Emergency recovery doesn't fly, we can have the ECU sent to us and Repaired on the Bench in any given state of corruption. That is something we offer for our customers currently, even if they are not on our platform.
-Now, with Post-2021 ECUs, there is currently NO bench flashing availability by any hardware tool manufactures. What does that mean and why is that important? Answer is very simple: IF the App fails to flash a 2021+ DME and "Bricks" it, there is NO physical way for us to Fix/Recover the ECU on the bench as our solution is purely OBD based and requires ECU to be not in corrupt state.

It really comes down to responsibility. We feel it is our responsibility and obligation to our customers to make sure we do not "Kill" their car. To some, that is an accepted risk, to us it is not. Unless we have solution in place to 100% guarantee the customer's vehicle recovery in case of failure, we just do not feel it is responsible to advertise and sell such product. To those who are patiently waiting for such solutions to come out, we thank you and appreciate your patience.

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by iPetey

Amazing stuff!!!

chenry do you have any other engine work / changes?

MissionPerformance Will this be released / for sale soon? Also will it be similar to the current flash that adjusts automatically for e30 blend? When will current users that are flashed be able to use the mobile app as well?

Ill let him answer the hardware question, but as far as I remember seeing the car yesterday, it was bone stock. Just the fuel and tune.


App question: The first public beta release will be happening very soon, but will only be available to current customers that are on our windows mflasher platform. No new orders through the iOS app will be possible during beta testing as to ensure full stability. After actual release, we will be welcoming and greeting all new customers.

The E85 flash you see here is not E30 adaptive. It is adaptive between 85 to 60% ethanol contents, but not lower. It was built that way as most E85 pumps fall within that range.

Off I go now, back to the lab with my coffee and to continue the work we have started a long while back.

[xnick101]

How are you able to run full E85 without maxing out the fuel system. The HPFP usually crashes after E50. So people add port injection to be able to run full e85.

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by xnick101

How are you able to run full E85 without maxing out the fuel system. The HPFP usually crashes after E50. So people add port injection to be able to run full e85.

Ok last question here but then I'm back to work. Remember, we can not share our secretes as a LOT of work goes into everything we do but by rewriting HPFP operation strategy, we can bump up the flow capacity. With that capacity increase, we now are at theoretical 80% maximum flow. That leaves 15% buffer (never count last 5) for conditional changes and error. But yes, you are correct, without rewriting the operation of HPFP, the factory "settings" can only go up-to E50 at 21psi, give or take 10%.

Now, sorry but have to check out from here since there are a lot of finishing touches to be done to the app and zero time to do that.

[R2i3a]

I'm guessing they turn the fuel pressure up to get more out of the fuel system

[xnick101]

Originally Posted by R2i3a

I'm guessing they turn the fuel pressure up to get more out of the fuel system

So do other tunes. You can run full e85 on ecutek as well but they turn down the power/torque.

[1WickedE90]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Noticed we got tagged in by the OP and decided to lift my head from the drawing board and pop back into the forums.

MissionPerformance Thanks for popping back in. Is there any possibility you will be working on a similar flash tune for the B46 (B48) engine? I'm pretty sure you would have a lot of members lined up to buy if it were to be available.

[chenry]

Originally Posted by iPetey

Amazing stuff!!!

chenry do you have any other engine work / changes?

Hi iPetey
The main two questions I have been getting are: 1- do you have port injection 2- do you have any additional sensors on the car....the answer to both of those questions is no.

No other engine work - I did previously have a DP, Intake Pipe, and AirFilter on the car but I removed those items a couple months back in anticipation of dealer recall/warranty visit. And just never got around to reinstalling them (and in fact have since sold them) On the day of the dyno the car was as stock as it was the day I bought it...exceptions being the Mission Performance Flash, a tank of E85 and my cosmetic mods.

I hope this helps...

[MissionPerformance]

Originally Posted by 1WickedE90

MissionPerformance Thanks for popping back in. Is there any possibility you will be working on a similar flash tune for the B46 (B48) engine? I'm pretty sure you would have a lot of members lined up to buy if it were to be available.

Im going to try and make it my mission to poke my head back to boards at least once a week to see if there are any legitimate questions just like this. And to answer your question, you betcha! We have already implemented those DMEs "DME84T0" into our iOS platform and already have full E85 preliminary tune. After some refinement, will get it all done and ready for production.

[njfoses]

Originally Posted by MissionPerformance

Im going to try and make it my mission to poke my head back to boards at least once a week to see if there are any legitimate questions just like this. And to answer your question, you betcha! We have already implemented those DMEs "DME84T0" into our iOS platform and already have full E85 preliminary tune. After some refinement, will get it all done and ready for production.

An E85 tune with stock fueling on B46/B48 (and most likely some headroom) shows that all tuners are far from equal. Other reputable tuners have commented the stock fueling system (injectors primarily) on the B46/B48 G20 cannot handle an E85 tune. Kudos to MissionPerformance and once all is buttoned up and there is a remote option, i will be in line

[iiSonnyii]

thanks chenry for the post and update. Also big Thanks to MissionPerformance Hope to see your unlock release soon.

[RigRag93]

Great thread, following. Looking into an MP tune here soon. Glad to see the reps popping in here providing real value.