[M5Rick]

Time to lock up the EV shop and throw the key.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll help...

Because fascism is both a form of Govenment and an economic system. Private entities are neither.

More citation from Politicalresearch.org regarding Mussolini's writings on the subject of state control of corporations:

The Labour Charter (Promulgated by the Grand Council ofr Fascism on April 21, 1927)—(published in the Gazzetta Ufficiale, April 3, 1927) [sic] (p. 133)

The Corporate State and its Organization (p. 133)

The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation. In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)

Benito Mussolini, 1935, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, Rome: ‘Ardita’ Publishers.

Awesome. Now explain how it works in practice.

[M5Rick]

Guys lets stick to the subject, take the dictionary discussion to another thread

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Awesome. Now explain how it works in practice.

You will take this untested medicine if you want to keep your job, for starters.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Awesome. Now explain how it works in practice.

Sticking with the subject matter of this EV thread, the California rule banning ICE by 2035 and the EV investments buried in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. Also, see my post #6227.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Wow. I like Harrys reviews I find him to be pretty fair and not biased. The interesting take away is the 10% loss of KWH during charging. So you're losing 10% which might not sound like much but as electricity prices inevitably go up that will add up.

And that is just from the charger to the car. There is another 20% from the generation station to the charger in the garage. This is why I say if we were to replace the battery with an on-board tuned ICE generator in a pure serial hybrid drivetrain, the energy efficiency of that EV configuration would be on par with the BEV system that gets its electrical energy off the grid.

EV efficiency with no winter range degradation (free heat from the engine) and still have <5 minute refills (the gas tank will be smaller).

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

And that is just from the charger to the car. There is another 20% from the generation station to the charger in the garage. This is why I say if we were to replace the battery with an on-board tuned ICE generator in a pure serial hybrid drivetrain, the energy efficiency of that EV configuration would be on par with the BEV system that gets its electrical energy off the grid.

EV efficiency with no winter range degradation (free heat from the engine) and still have <5 minute refills (the gas tank will be smaller).

This seemed to fit the one of the current themes.

[murderspice]

Started watching some old Harry’s content and ran across this:

A lot of very interesting concepts on how mercedes sees the future of EVs. The fact it has demonstrated a 1k km (620 mi) range is game changing; and even claiming up to 890 mi for highway driving alone. Also cool that ‘bionics’ are filtering down as a proven concept. The inevitable battery waste problems still worry me, though.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Started watching some old Harry’s content and ran across this:

A lot of very interesting concepts on how mercedes sees the future of EVs. The fact it has demonstrated a 1k km (620 mi) range is game changing; and even claiming up to 890 mi for highway driving alone. Also cool that ‘bionics’ are filtering down as a proven concept. The inevitable battery waste problems still worry me, though.

If we can get more energy density into batteries which would forestall increased weight then more range would be awesome.

[Lady Jane]

[eugenebmw]

The federal government has regulated that by 2035, all new vehicles sold in Canada must be electric. However they can't even get their shit together. I am running out of words to say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ele...lace-1.7094656

[eugenebmw]

This is a sad story from an EV user.

Maryann Abela, she and her family were travelling in their new Nissan Leaf from London to Lion's Head, Ont., a 253-kilometre distance that should have taken them a little over three hours to drive.

The Leaf's range is 342 km, but given the car wasn't fully charged, they were prepared to stop to charge along the way. Abela planned ahead, googling the locations of fast chargers along the route, never anticipating that none of them would be operational.

"We had no idea [charging] would be that hit-or-miss," said Abela.

After striking out at four rapid-charging locations, she found herself stranded in a seedy motel with her young daughter while her husband slept in their Leaf as it slow-charged in an empty parking lot overnight.

[eugenebmw]

I feel like I am so luck not to have to deal with all the pressure of charging. For me, 5 minutes into the gas station and I am good for another 500km. Gas stations are everywhere and their pumping stations are up 99.99%

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/elec...vate-1.6867265

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

The federal government has regulated that by 2035, all new vehicles sold in Canada must be electric. However they can't even get their shit together. I am running out of words to say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ele...lace-1.7094656

Exactly the same over here, the stooges by the river have put the blinkers on and staring straight ahead, 'I see nothing and hear nothing except for what I was told by the men in white coats'.

[M5Rick]

Audi e-Tron GT's are in trouble and recalls issued for battery sealing fault which may ignite the cars or even make them crash.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...IRE-crash.html

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

If we can get more energy density into batteries which would forestall increased weight then more range would be awesome.

That's always been the goal, but at what retail price? And at what charging speed? The downstream EV drivetrain dictates range distance based on its efficiency. Meaning the same amount of electrons move a car the same miles (a few variables like weight factor in). Right now a 300-mile range requires 90+ kWh battery. Roughly double that for 600 miles. The new battery will need 1/2 the weight in the same space factor. Doubling the energy density. And the cost of the EV needs to get under $45K?

And how many amps go through the charger cable? And the current battery/charger technology hasn't yet been paid off.

Just looking at it with some realism.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

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Oxymoron 1500 reminds me of the "SUX 6000".

The youngins' here will have to googleit

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Audi e-Tron GT's are in trouble and recalls issued for battery sealing fault which may ignite the cars or even make them crash.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...IRE-crash.html

EV=time bomb

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Oxymoron 1500 reminds me of the "SUX 6000".

The youngins' here will have to googleit

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

That's always been the goal, but at what retail price? And at what charging speed? The downstream EV drivetrain dictates range distance based on its efficiency. Meaning the same amount of electrons move a car the same miles (a few variables like weight factor in). Right now a 300-mile range requires 90+ kWh battery. Roughly double that for 600 miles. The new battery will need 1/2 the weight in the same space factor. Doubling the energy density. And the cost of the EV needs to get under $45K?

And how many amps go through the charger cable? And the current battery/charger technology hasn't yet been paid off.

Just looking at it with some realism.

To grow the sale of EV, one important factor is they need to be affordable." The average price of all new vehicles in Canada is currently about $56,000, according to Canadian Black Book, which provides vehicle valuation data used by dealers. But an EV is close to $73,000. EV prices likely need to be a fraction of today's prices to reach mass market by 2035.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gonzo

TESLA taking a dump and stuff.

Originally Posted by gblansten

It's going to be a great buy opportunity.

That way you will have a spare Tesla when your Tesla is in the shop for tires again or new batteries, etc. Sorry low hanging fruit, can't pass them up.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

If we can get more energy density into batteries which would forestall increased weight then more range would be awesome.

It is a interesting car, kind of attractive and kind of ugly at the same time I think I dated a girl like that. As for your thoughts on energy density, yes true but there are very serious limitations on getting the energy into the battery. There are absolute limits on how fast you can transfer energy without doing damage and there will not likely be a quantum change as long as we are using chemical based storage.
Alternative Fuels Data Center
Fuel Properties Comparison
https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publ...ison_chart.pdf