[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by Peteyski

I picked up my X7 almost 2 weeks ago and unfortunately one of the touch screen deletions. Very annoyed at BMW if new builds are coming with touch-screen as they made it seem like it would be long term issue. Has anyone heard back from BMW corporate about future retro?

you're stuck. the coding is vin specific to the computer and touchscreen

[dmanb2b]

I doubt BMW will come up with a retrofit, but there is nothing (other than $ and potential warranty issues) stopping you from sourcing a headunit/touchscreen from a salvage yard and having it coded to your vin.

[GL]

Originally Posted by Resjudicata

you're stuck. the coding is vin specific to the computer and touchscreen

Actually he is not stuck. Forum member with an X5 sourced an eBay touchscreen and did some coding. Not for everyone, but he's not stuck.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=27

[Scampiekat]

Originally Posted by Peteyski

Nice…when did you place order and when did production start?

order was placed in June. production started beginning of Oct.

[Scampiekat]

Originally Posted by DravitX7

We picked up our 2022 X7 M50i on Nov. 20th. It has the touchscreen! Only thing we could see missing was the wireless charging.

I don't think I have that either but it has the touchscreen

[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by GL

Actually he is not stuck. Forum member with an X5 sourced an eBay touchscreen and did some coding. Not for everyone, but he's not stuck.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=27

Yep; I should clarify that BMW corporate won't help you. As per the original post.

But yes, you can try to eBay and DIY. But as you say it's not for the faint of heart. And BMW won't back ya up.

True; I didn't specify that I was responding to his post about BMW corporate which won't fix it.

[jmciver]

Originally Posted by Resjudicata

Yep; I should clarify that BMW corporate won't help you. As per the original post.

But yes, you can try to eBay and DIY. But as you say it's not for the faint of heart. And BMW won't back ya up.

True; I didn't specify that I was responding to his post about BMW corporate which won't fix it.

Actually, the coding to retrofit a touchscreen back into the X7 (or X5) is even better since an OTA software update (or one from the dealer) won't "erase" this coding based on the coding method used in that link. It would require a laptop with coding software (not an app like BimmerCode) to do it though - I have done this type of coding before.

However, a paid coder could easily code this for a reasonable price ($100 or less I would speculate).

[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by jmciver

Actually, the coding to retrofit a touchscreen back into the X7 (or X5) is even better since an OTA software update (or one from the dealer) won't "erase" this coding based on the coding method used in that link. It would require a laptop with coding software (not an app like BimmerCode) to do it though - I have done this type of coding before.

However, a paid coder could easily code this for a reasonable price ($100 or less I would speculate).

Originally Posted by Peteyski

I picked up my X7 almost 2 weeks ago and unfortunately one of the touch screen deletions. Very annoyed at BMW if new builds are coming with touch-screen as they made it seem like it would be long term issue. Has anyone heard back from BMW corporate about future retro?

BMW corporate definitely won't do it.

[liroyan]

Originally Posted by jmciver

Actually, the coding to retrofit a touchscreen back into the X7 (or X5) is even better since an OTA software update (or one from the dealer) won't "erase" this coding based on the coding method used in that link. It would require a laptop with coding software (not an app like BimmerCode) to do it though - I have done this type of coding before.

However, a paid coder could easily code this for a reasonable price ($100 or less I would speculate).

I think the biggest risk here is this would void factory warranty, tho I'm not sure about any detail. The bmw genius I talked with said this will break the "integrity of the car" thus void the warranty.
I had to resist not telling him you lost the integrity already by doing this to us.

[jmciver]

Originally Posted by liroyan

I think the biggest risk here is this would void factory warranty, tho I'm not sure about any detail. The bmw genius I talked with said this will break the "integrity of the car" thus void the warranty.
I had to resist not telling him you lost the integrity already by doing this to us.

The BMW “genius” you spoke to is really stupid. And that “break the integrity of the car” statement - that is some BS they feed to the ill informed as making changes to the car like this is not officially sanctioned (or performed) by BMW or the dealers. Coding in and of itself will not void your warranty, unless you cause damage to a component/module that could be attributed to the coding - which is pretty hard to do unless you do something really stupid.

In pretty much every instance of coding, you are merely turning on functionality that is already resident in the car. Typical worst case scenario is trying to turn on (or code on) something when the actual hardware is not installed in the car - in which case nothing happens (or maybe a shadow error code is thrown). The absolute worst case scenario is that you lock up a module, which could mean a trip to the dealer to reset it or help from a paid coder to reset it. But this is pretty rare as well, again unless you do something really stupid.

That said, I would not grab some coding software (like the BimmerCode app for example) and start randomly changing parameters to see what happens either.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by jmciver

Coding in and of itself will not void your warranty, unless you cause damage to a component/module that could be attributed to the coding - which is pretty hard to do unless you do something really stupid.

That said, I would not grab some coding software (like the BimmerCode app for example) and start randomly changing parameters to see what happens either.

Weeellll ... BMWNA could, functionally.

Just like BMW eliminating touchscreens from some cars and delivering them to customers, BMW can simply stop reimbursing BMW dealers for warranty work for a specific VIN. BMWNA doesn't need to prove anything to anyone to do that, nor do they need any approvals, nor do they need to ask permission; just like with the touchscreens they'll simply do it.

The customer remedy (incl any Moss-Mag type arguments) is to sue BMWNA which, due to continuances, etc will take years and I'd be quite surprised if any judge ruled in favor of an owner spelunking into their car's software simply to add flair.

Now, is that probable? Likely no. It probably depends on how bad you screwed things up and how much BMWNA wanted to make an example out of you (e.g., spun crank hub).

NET-NET:
It's definitely a grey area and anyone trying it should be prepared for the possibility, however low, of losing their warranty be it explicitly or implicitly ... especially if there's a record of having called a BMW Genius and said Genius saying it's a no-no.

[jmciver]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Weeellll ... BMWNA could, functionally.

Just like BMW eliminating touchscreens from some cars and delivering them to customers, BMW can simply stop reimbursing BMW dealers for warranty work for a specific VIN. BMWNA doesn't need to prove anything to anyone to do that, nor do they need any approvals, nor do they need to ask permission; just like with the touchscreens they'll simply do it.

The customer remedy (incl any Moss-Mag type arguments) is to sue BMWNA which, due to continuances, etc will take years and I'd be quite surprised if any judge ruled in favor of an owner spelunking into their car's software simply to add flair.

Now, is that probable? Likely no. It probably depends on how bad you screwed things up and how much BMWNA wanted to make an example out of you (e.g., spun crank hub).

NET-NET:
It's definitely a grey area and anyone trying it should be prepared for the possibility, however low, of losing their warranty be it explicitly or implicitly ... especially if there's a record of having called a BMW Genius and said Genius saying it's a no-no.

But what is life without a little bit of risk…. After all, we still need to get out of bed every day…...

But seriously, for the less informed that are reading these last few posts and want to learn, obviously nothing is zero risk when it comes to coding (or anything in life). But as long as you are smart about it, and it is not hard to be smart about it, the risks associated with coding are very low. You need to find your comfort level and be as informed as you can before making coding decisions. But no need to over think it either….

[X7Newbie]

My X7 was stolen on Oct 1. My new one is on a train from Greer and is expected to arrive on Sunday. I received this email from the sales rep today.
"One other thing, the control display panel is not a touch screen, no chip for that, you’ll have to use the i-drive controller for that. All cars manufactured in November onwards till further notice, no touch screens. Same with all the other Manufacturers I’m told. Supply chain issue. "
So what recourse do I have?
Kim

[BMWBear]

Originally Posted by X7Newbie

My X7 was stolen on Oct 1. My new one is on a train from Greer and is expected to arrive on Sunday. I received this email from the sales rep today.
"One other thing, the control display panel is not a touch screen, no chip for that, you’ll have to use the i-drive controller for that. All cars manufactured in November onwards till further notice, no touch screens. Same with all the other Manufacturers I’m told. Supply chain issue. "
So what recourse do I have?
Kim

Don’t accept the car and wait till touchscreens are back. People have talked about retrofitting but I don’t think anyone has actually done it yet.

[bradythedog12]

Not only that, there have been posts of folks ordering recently that do indeed have the touchscreen. When you get your VIN, look it up to make sure. If it does not have it, and that will bother you, then don’t accept it and wait til they are available… as BYEIL suggested.

[hulu]

That's not true.

New X7s produced in last week do have touchscreen.

Decline your delivery and reorder.

Originally Posted by X7Newbie

My X7 was stolen on Oct 1. My new one is on a train from Greer and is expected to arrive on Sunday. I received this email from the sales rep today.
"One other thing, the control display panel is not a touch screen, no chip for that, you’ll have to use the i-drive controller for that. All cars manufactured in November onwards till further notice, no touch screens. Same with all the other Manufacturers I’m told. Supply chain issue. "
So what recourse do I have?
Kim

[BMWBear]

Originally Posted by hulu

That's not true.

New X7s produced in last week do have touchscreen.

Decline your delivery and reorder.

Can you be clear in your posts since you’re confusing people. It’s not a guarantee that every order has the touchscreen.

[djbonsu]

Originally Posted by BYEIL

Don't accept the car and wait till touchscreens are back. People have talked about retrofitting but I don't think anyone has actually done it yet.

Actually is has been done

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28271385

[liroyan]

Originally Posted by BYEIL

Can you be clear in your posts since you’re confusing people. It’s not a guarantee that every order has the touchscreen.

have we seen a build without touchscreen in last 1 or 2 weeks?

of course I agree with that "not a guarantee" from bmw side. they still claim no touchscreen for every one.

I declined and reordered. new prod date is 12/11.

[mitch57]

Originally Posted by djbonsu

Actually is has been done

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=27

Your link doesn't work.

[djbonsu]

Originally Posted by mitch57

Your link doesn't work.

Oops…Fixed now

[waqiidepp]

This thread has been quite for a few days now. I am assuming the cars coming in now have touch screen. My X7 just got delivered today and I will be picking it up this week. The SA doesn't know if it has touch screen or not - he just assumed that none of the X5 and X7 have touchscreen and told me it doesn't. I have asked him to go and check.
When I run my VIN I don't see and deletion code as well (S6UY). What do you guys think ?