Automobile Mag Info on 1M - Details, Engine Confirmed??

[BMW269]

I find it more fun to have the engine in front and the seat on the rear axle, just like Z4 M Coupé. This is the best fun car ever (if they made a CSL version with manual transmission).

[southlight]

Originally Posted by ss134

2.M DCT optional -Confirmed

Not so fast.


Best regards,
south

[BForbes]

I laugh so hard at these now. We can't get too mad, right? These magazine writers are just trying to get paid.

[jpuff]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Obviously you have never driven a modified E30 M3 with a CF airbox. Your comments on the soundtrack of a 4 cylinder would change. Granted its NA, but ///M will not disappoint.

Now, I'm pretty sure the WRX STI's and Evo's were pretty damn successful with a 4-banger. Oh and that other 4 banger that has had the most success in weekend track warriors EVER, Miata.

It is all power to weight to a certain point. Sure you can have 700hp/800tq in a 5000lbs "sports sedan", but it will not handle like it. But 400/400 in a 3300lb small saloon......///Magical.

The new 1 ///M just needs to be LIGHT and it will succeed with a 4 banger.

Remember, ///M has never ever ever released something that was not the best of the best in its category (well except the S52B32).

T

I like my cars to sound nice out of the box . And I agree with you completely, the 4 banger model needs to lose weight. But 3300 is not skinny enough. I'd like to see it down between 2900 and 3100. But on the other side, it's still a 4 banger, and it's still a turbo, and it still has a 7000rpm redline, and those 3 things are not what M has a history of. You're dead on about power to weight ratio's being important. But power to weight ratio's don't speak to how well a car can handle, they speak to how fast that car could be. But if it's too heavy to throw around the corners, even if it's fast because it has enough power for it's weight, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be able to take corners with elegance. I'm not trying to argue by the way, so sorry if it comes off like that... I just happen to have a much different opinion because I've had experiences with cars that are night and day between mid-engine and front engine.

Also, very different people buy Boy Racer cars like STi's and EVO's. BMW's with engines in the front need to be 6 to 8's. Like I said, I bet it'd be worth the sacrafice to make it mid-engine because the handling would be out of this world (anyone who's driven a mid-engine car can confirm that mid-engine cars will outhandle front engine any day).

I know M strives for the best of the best. But M's best used to be N/A motors tuned to the limit. Now they're doing turbos. It's not what was in their heritage and it just doesn't sit right with me. :shrug:

[jpuff]

Originally Posted by Levi

I find it more fun to have the engine in front and the seat on the rear axle, just like Z4 M Coupé. This is the best fun car ever (if they made a CSL version with manual transmission).

Ever taken an F40 around the twistys? How about a McLaren F1? 550 maranello? Testarossa? How about a Noble M400? Heck, even the old MR2 Turbos which could stay even with F40's around the corners until the F40 could accelerate away from it like there was no tomorrow. There's a reason pure race cars do a mid-mounted layout... and speaking as someone who's driven porsches with their engines in their asses, BMW M3's, and theaforementioned cars... I have to say mid-engine is where handling can really *really* shine.

[Atropos]

There are many examples in the auto industry where this rings true, but it seems, if these numbers end up being close to correct, that current 135i owners can pretty much get similiar performance by just doing some well thought out upgrades, and still save some coin.

so that's good news!

[ss134]

Originally Posted by formula M

U people are lemmings if you continue to believe that^ stuff....

This car will have close to 400hp from a S55 engine.

Absolutely no chance - you are dreaming.

[twenzel]

I love how some people believe the rumors they've heard are fact but imply people are idiots for claiming that their rumors are fact.

Bottom line, its all rumors guys. Give it a rest until the official announcement from BMW.

/end thread.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by ss134

You are wrong on all counts. I am looking at Car Magazines article at the moment - they have been driven round the 'ring in the car and the following has been confirmed:

1. 335 bhp / 369 lb ft - Confirmed
2.M DCT optional -Confirmed
3.M diff not confirmed but they are hoping to offer one as an option (if it does make production it will not be standard)

WTF! Put down the mags and use your eyes.
Scott had said he test drove the car, well before the mags rode shotgun, and stated that 360 PS is what you are looking at.
Also, all test cars have had a LSD, so now two thing that you said have been shot down. Scott also said that he test drove a DCT equipped car, so yes, the possibility of it being offered as a option is about 99% certain, especially since the 135i has it now, and Scott mentioning that more cars are equipped with them.

Most magazines articles have bad or out of date info. The forums tend to be where the real info lays. I only read mags for comparison tests or actually car tests, not for info on something that is not out yet.

And whoever said that the 0-62 time for the M3 is 4.6, that may be a conservative rime from BMw, but most MT equipped M3 coupes do 0-60 in 4.1.
So that can give you something to play with for the 1M

I never trust factory quoted times, especially the Germans, because they are very conservative.

[Future M1 owner]

".....and eye-catching fender flares made of carbon fiber."
I'm going out on a limb to say that this statement is "full of used food"...

Especially if the guy sat in the same camo'd prototypes we've become familiar with. And I have no reason to suspect that he was lucky enough to get a ride in a newer, less camo'd prototype, even if there was such a thing.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by ss134

You are wrong on all counts. I am looking at Car Magazines article at the moment - they have been driven round the 'ring in the car and the following has been confirmed:

1. 335 bhp / 369 lb ft - Confirmed
2.M DCT optional -Confirmed
3.M diff not confirmed but they are hoping to offer one as an option (if it does make production it will not be standard)

Nothing is confirmed.

All the mags got a ride in a prototype car. BMW hasn't even nailed down the specs.

[Evan135]

Originally Posted by Levi

Everything is wrong.

Why BMW cannot give the M1 E82 380 HP from its 3.0l I6 is not because of the M3 E92, but because the next M1 F22 needs to faster/better yet having a 2.0l I4 with close to 400 HP. But M1 F22 will be about 80 kg lighter than M1 E82. M3 F32 about 100 kg lighter than M3 E92.
M1 will get at least 350 HP, 450 Nm till redline and weigh 1500 kg and LSD will be standard, it is a real M car.

I agree with this statement and have said so on other post. They will limit power on this 1M to leave room for the F22, but this E82 will still be a real M car. To be honest I wish the E82 1M was a flop, and I could save loosing $ 10,000.00 on my 135i when I trade or sell it. But....

M will have to do a great job on this car more than others. Why? because it will be the most affordable M and everyone will be looking for corners M might cut on the car. They may limit options to keep it affordable, but BMW and M have become very successful with the M brand and will not mess that up with the 1M.

This is why, and I hope I am right, that the 1M will never get the 335is motor. It would damage 30+ years of M reputation. It makes no sense. Even the X5M and X6M get M derived versions of stock motors.

[amdmaxx]

u r wrong...

Originally Posted by ss134

You are wrong on all counts. I am looking at Car Magazines article at the moment - they have been driven round the 'ring in the car and the following has been confirmed:

1. 335 bhp / 369 lb ft - Confirmed
2.M DCT optional -Confirmed
3.M diff not confirmed but they are hoping to offer one as an option (if it does make production it will not be standard)

[BrokenVert]

Why does this sill happen? Nothing has been confirmed! God dammit you people are being ridiculous!

[ss134]

Originally Posted by formula M

So sure?

Care to bet a friendly wager that it will be 390'ish (close to 4oo)..?

Yes i am willing to bet you whatever you want right now on the forum that the 1 M coupe will have less than 390 bhp from the factory. Love all of you guys with Drives:....Future 1m coupe etc etc under your username - i can understand that you are hoping this car will have 400hp, that would be some car - good luck - i'll come back to this forum when the official details have been released.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

WTF! Put down the mags and use your eyes.
Scott had said he test drove the car, well before the mags rode shotgun, and stated that 360 PS is what you are looking at.
Also, all test cars have had a LSD, so now two thing that you said have been shot down. Scott also said that he test drove a DCT equipped car, so yes, the possibility of it being offered as a option is about 99% certain, especially since the 135i has it now, and Scott mentioning that more cars are equipped with them.

Most magazines articles have bad or out of date info. The forums tend to be where the real info lays. I only read mags for comparison tests or actually car tests, not for info on something that is not out yet.

And whoever said that the 0-62 time for the M3 is 4.6, that may be a conservative rime from BMw, but most MT equipped M3 coupes do 0-60 in 4.1.
So that can give you something to play with for the 1M

I never trust factory quoted times, especially the Germans, because they are very conservative.

BMW says the M3 does 0-60 in 4.8, but in reality it's closer to 4.1 as you said...
so when BMW says the 1 Series M Coupe does 0-60 in 4.6, what does that tell you? With equal drivers and manual transmissions, the 135i never had too much trouble keeping up with the M3 in a straight line (at least below 100) so there's no doubt in my mind that even a 1 M Coupe with 335hp would be quicker.

As to whether or not these statistics are true, Automobile couldn't even get the name of the car right...this is just like every other article we've seen so far, they made these specs up in the absence of any real info from BMW.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Remonster

BMW says the M3 does 0-60 in 4.8, but in reality it's closer to 4.1 as you said...
so when BMW says the 1 Series M Coupe does 0-60 in 4.6, what does that tell you? With equal drivers and manual transmissions, the 135i never had too much trouble keeping up with the M3 in a straight line (at least below 100) so there's no doubt in my mind that even a 1 M Coupe with 335hp would be quicker.

As to whether or not these statistics are true, Automobile couldn't even get the name of the car right...this is just like every other article we've seen so far, they made these specs up in the absence of any real info from BMW.

Actually,

BMW states the 0-60 for M3 Coupe as:

4.7 MT / 4.5 DCT

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx



BMW states the 0-60 for 135i Coupe as:

5.1 MT / 5.0 DCT

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx


Scott26 has said many times, that the 1M will not step on the toes of the M3. 0-60 is not the end all way to compare cars.

I cant wait for the car to be announced so all of this ridiculous speculation can be put to rest!

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Actually,

BMW states the 0-60 for M3 Coupe as:

4.7 MT / 4.5 DCT

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx



BMW states the 0-60 for 135i Coupe as:

5.1 MT / 5.0 DCT

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx


Scott26 has said many times, that the 1M will not step on the toes of the M3. 0-60 is not the end all way to compare cars.

I cant wait for the car to be announced so all of this ridiculous speculation can be put to rest!

You beat me to it.

[grant]

Originally Posted by jpuff

Ever taken an F40 around the twistys? How about a McLaren F1? 550 maranello? Testarossa? How about a Noble M400? Heck, even the old MR2 Turbos which could stay even with F40's around the corners until the F40 could accelerate away from it like there was no tomorrow. There's a reason pure race cars do a mid-mounted layout... and speaking as someone who's driven porsches with their engines in their asses, BMW M3's, and theaforementioned cars... I have to say mid-engine is where handling can really *really* shine.

I've owned a Ferrari 550 Maranello and I've driven many mid-engined cars on the track, yet I far prefer how the Porsche 911 drives with its engine behind the rear axle. Pure racecars have mid-engined layout for its slightly higher performance, yet nothing is more fun (and challenging) than mastering the 911 at the limit (and beyond). If you're not a professional racer, then your criterion should be maximum driving enjoyment over slightly higher performance.

If someone enjoys the dynamics of the M Coupe (long hood with driver sitting on the rear axle), then I say that's great. Those things are lots of fun. BTW, the ultimate expression of that layout is the Caterham (aka Lotus Seven). There you're "really" sitting on the rear axle - those things are a blast to drive too.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by formula M

I'm not hoping anything...


BMW's have to compete in the market place, with what other manufacturers offer, not compete with what they released themselves, 3 years earlier.

Have you bothered to pull your head out of BMW land, to notice what other cars sell for $48,000'ish, that also will compete with new BMW /M turbo coupe..?


Here, take a gander:
Corvette
Shelby GT500
Camaro
Challenger


Now, given that the M1 is going to weigh about 3,300lbs and knowing the BMW M division can dial in any HP/TQ figure they want.. they will stick with engine response, fuel effeciency and just enough HP to make the case for HP to weight.

Anything less is, is illogical.

My opinion differs from yours end of story. IMO this car will get nowhere near 400hp - you think differently....fine - lets just wait and see the official release from BMW. The cars you mentioned may be rivals in the US - i don't know..... but no one outside of the States buys these cars - Audi and Porsche will be its natuaral rivals in the worldwide marketplace IMO - as for which models it is hard to say as no official pricing has been released for the 1 M yet and prices vary from country to country as well.

As for competing against other cars in the marketplace.....agreed of course this is a consideration for BMW but they must also place this car into their current model line up in a clever way to ensure the gap in performance and hp does not encroach on their existing and more expensive M cars - I would love it to get 400hp if i am wrong i would be the first to admit it followed by a trip to the dealership chequebook in hand to order one IMO won't happen though.

[Future M1 owner]

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...&postcount=453

Scott's statement 25 minutes ago.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by formula M

Ok.. (?)

I understand your present opinion, but you quoted me.

Secondly, if you are a tad more vigilant and picked up on the subtle clues that M division has been giving, you'll understand my position more.

The head of the M Division is not going to toss around terms like "boy racer" if it not going to be one. This M is clearly aimed at North America and it's rivals. The M3 is in an utterly different class and even if they both had the same HP, they would have clear and distinct markets. I fail to see how a "boy racer" encroaches upon the heralded M3's status.

They are different cars, for different markets. If someone cross shops the two, then BMW wins either way.


So, I don't recognize your argument as a valid reason for the M Division to withhold, or purposely limit the new 1M's internals. As long as it fits within their projected profit margins and the market place... anything is a go.

This is absolutely pointless. I don't think it will have 400 hp and you think it will....end of discussion.