[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by classic_erik

My genius is emphatically telling me the 2023s are getting it OTA this month so I’ll hold a little hope.

i got 07/2023.33 as a dealer update when i brought my car in for its first service, its not 8.5. i have a 2023.
the OTA in sept should be 07.2023.xx (99 percent sure you will get the same version that i got at the dealer.) its 8.5 only on the 2024s.

[entendu]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

to get into the technicals on this, bmw has done a few things to stop coding.
1) they trimmed the data files they distributed. in the very distant past, the coding data files had very friendly descriptions as to what bits of config did. that disappeared about 10 years ago- "trimmed cafds"

2) in the past, the coding data files used to be sent to the dealerships and other places, allowing the files to be leaked to the internet. this is the backbone behind coding. these files are needed in order to be able to change the config and write the changes to the modules in the car. bmw no longer sends these files out. now when the car is programmed at the dealer, the files are no longer available in an acessible form. also files being loaded need to be digitally signed now.


its pretty much done unless someone can get ahold of the signing key and figure out how to impersonate the back end server that does the code signing

> "The new vehicles can be dealt with"

Is this some sort of German mistranslation?

[PinkNinja400Guy]

Originally Posted by entendu

> "The new vehicles can be dealt with"

Is this some sort of German mistranslation?

ISTA is the BMW service software. Guessing it means that the new version of ISTA can now deal with (work with) the secure coding system on the new car models.

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by PinkNinja400Guy

ISTA is the BMW service software. Guessing it means that the new version of ISTA can now deal with (work with) the secure coding system on the new car models.

i think its actually a preceeding paragraph, i dont have the original source. very likely it means ISTA 4.0 can connect to the new cars. not in regards to coding. thats pretty cut and dry, bmw no longer has the coding data readily available, and any coding changes need to be signed by bmw itself to be loaded by the modules, so pretty much game over for coding.
even if the coding files were leaked, they're useless unless the changes are signed.

[sahileX7]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

i got 07/2023.33 as a dealer update when i brought my car in for its first service, its not 8.5. i have a 2023.
the OTA in sept should be 07.2023.xx (99 percent sure you will get the same version that i got at the dealer.) its 8.5 only on the 2024s.

So I was reminded of this today as my 1yr old $200 AirPod Pros automatically updated to the latest firmware with most if not all of the new features of the latest version. Meanwhile BMW thinks it’s appropriate to sell me a $100,000+ car and tell me I can’t get certain software updates as my car is 6months too old?? How is anyone on this forum okay with that?

I can reluctantly live with HW upgrades between model years (I believe Highway Assist should be made backward available to 2023 models, perhaps not all may agree) but to be selective in SW updates backward is pretty upsetting to say the least.

[ddv2005]

Originally Posted by sahileX7

So I was reminded of this today as my 1yr old $200 AirPod Pros automatically updated to the latest firmware with most if not all of the new features of the latest version. Meanwhile BMW thinks it’s appropriate to sell me a $100,000+ car and tell me I can’t get certain software updates as my car is 6months too old?? How is anyone on this forum okay with that?

I can reluctantly live with HW upgrades between model years (I believe Highway Assist should be made backward available to 2023 models, perhaps not all may agree) but to be selective in SW updates backward is pretty upsetting to say the least.

I feel the same. I am ok to stay on ID8 but Climate Menu in ID8 is unacceptable terrible, BMW knows that and fixed it in 8.5 but left ID8 customers stuck with unacceptable design. Also ID8 does not allow to choice seat heat level in auto mode. ID7 and ID8.5 supports seat heat level selection but ID8 not.
I already called BMW genius and ask to record my complain about this situation. I guess that we all have to do the same to let BMW know that they must fix Climate Menu in ID8 too.

[mitch65]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

i got 07/2023.33 as a dealer update when i brought my car in for its first service, its not 8.5. i have a 2023.
the OTA in sept should be 07.2023.xx (99 percent sure you will get the same version that i got at the dealer.) its 8.5 only on the 2024s.

I asked the dealer to update our 2023 X7 and they installed 7/2023.45. First thing I noticed was that the fonts are now different on the Instrument Cluster. The Speedo tipped me off then I noticed the outside temp and the others are now a little different. Also there seem to be new added features in some menu's like interior lighting I think.

[clutchdj]

Anyone running 8.5 on a ‘23-‘24 LCI model yet.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by sahileX7

So I was reminded of this today as my 1yr old $200 AirPod Pros automatically updated to the latest firmware with most if not all of the new features of the latest version. Meanwhile BMW thinks it’s appropriate to sell me a $100,000+ car and tell me I can’t get certain software updates as my car is 6months too old?? How is anyone on this forum okay with that?

I can reluctantly live with HW upgrades between model years (I believe Highway Assist should be made backward available to 2023 models, perhaps not all may agree) but to be selective in SW updates backward is pretty upsetting to say the least.

This x100. I dont know if it is because BMW has german culture too deeply ingrained, while their engineering is actually pretty decent (not great, but decent) their product management is terrible. Roadmaps always seem full of forced features and little trickle down of insights to older versions. Vehicles have a relatively long ownership cycle, this is one area that tesla really does very well in.
There is no reason why they cannot update the climate UI screen to closely match 8.5 and add the heated seat button pop ups.

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

Anyone running 8.5 on a ‘23-‘24 LCI model yet.

Yes I am running on my '24.

The '23s won't get 8.5

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by Phasers

Yes I am running on my '24.

The '23s won't get 8.5

how did you upload 8.5 to your X. Dealer, or OTA?

I technically have a '24.
Anxious b/c I have coding preloaded (EHBA, particularly) on os8.

what's your build month? mine's a 6/23 build

[BMW5and7]

so, is the conclusion that the title and original post is completely wrong? Do we know for sure now (or at least to date) that 2023 X7 builds will NOT get ID8.5?

This was my initial predication anyway, but am curious. If so, I think the title of the thread must be changes or a note must be added that the title is wrong.

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

how did you upload 8.5 to your X. Dealer, or OTA?

I technically have a '24.
Anxious b/c I have coding preloaded (EHBA, particularly) on os8.

what's your build month? mine's a 6/23 build

04/23 build (one of the first '24 models).

Dealer did the update, I brought it in because I was getting intermittent "camera malfunction" issues.

[chitownx7]

anyone know when 8.5 will be available OTA? Thought I had read September and now we're in October...would rather not wait until I need to bring the car into the dealer

EDIT - found info here https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2051598

[classic_erik]

Saw my genius today. He’s still standing on the wall saying the 23 X7s will get 8.5 OTA, but it’s delayed.

He mentioned any BMW with service pack 21 or 22 and a curved display will get it via OTA. The 23s have service pack 21.

We will see.

[BMW-X]

Originally Posted by classic_erik

Saw my genius today. He’s still standing on the wall saying the 23 X7s will get 8.5 OTA, but it’s delayed.

He mentioned any BMW with service pack 21 or 22 and a curved display will get it via OTA. The 23s have service pack 21.

We will see.

Same with my service rep, they keep saying it’s coming.

[BMWMN1971]

Originally Posted by BMW-X

Same with my service rep, they keep saying it’s coming.

Any official confirmation on this? It has been all over the place and it is very annoying. MY2023 are way too new to be considered "obsolete" by BMW.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BMWMN1971

Any official confirmation on this? It has been all over the place and it is very annoying. MY2023 are way too new to be considered "obsolete" by BMW.

It was confirmed months ago that the 23's will not be getting 8.5.

[classic_erik]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

It was confirmed months ago that the 23's will not be getting 8.5.

Confirmed by whom?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by classic_erik

Confirmed by whom?

BMW, it was noted in a number of SIBs. The 23 X7 was specifically used as an example of a model that can't be updated to 8.5 and it can't be retrofitted with the new head unit.

[classic_erik]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

BMW, it was noted in a number of SIBs. The 23 X7 was specifically used as an example of a model that can't be updated to 8.5 and it can't be retrofitted with the new head unit.

Do you have anything to share?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by classic_erik

Do you have anything to share?

Here is SIB 65 18 23 where the X7 without MGU 22/HUH5 is mentioned.

Link for mobile app users -SIB 65 18 23

SIB 65 18 23.pdf