[k23435]

For me, the show stopper on the current XC90 PHEV is that the 4 cylinder engine runs the front wheels, and the electric engine the rear wheels. When you run out of battery, which does not take long, you have in essence 2 300 kg / 5 000 lb front-wheel drive SUV with 4 cylinder engine. On snow & ice, it is not ideal.

Plus all the issues mentioned above.

[john_wick]

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/bmw/...mw-x7-details/

PHEV possible in a few month

[V8EBR]

Originally Posted by k23435

For me, the show stopper on the current XC90 PHEV is that the 4 cylinder engine runs the front wheels, and the electric engine the rear wheels. When you run out of battery, which does not take long, you have in essence 2 300 kg / 5 000 lb front-wheel drive SUV with 4 cylinder engine. On snow & ice, it is not ideal.

Just for clarity, this isn't strictly accurate: the XC90 T8 is quite unusual for a PHEV, in that it also has an onboard generator that can power the electric motor via the engine, therefore you never get caught out without enough electric power to operate in 4WD mode, as it effectively acts instantaneously. A different matter is that the 4WD mode is not as capable as most 4WD systems - including a non-PHEV XC90 - as it sends much more power to the front axle than the rear, so whilst it is better to have than not in slippery conditions, it is a long way from xDrive or similar systems.
The generator also allows you to add electric range to the battery whilst driving using petrol - admittedly a rather inefficient way of charging, but possibly useful in a few cases.

All this said, the X7 is a MUCH nicer place to be than the XC90, in terms of comfort, refinement, space, and handling (I had a XC90 T8 for 3 years before the X7).

[k23435]

Thanks for the clarification & real world user experience!

[SweBMW2021]

Originally Posted by V8EBR

Just for clarity, this isn't strictly accurate: the XC90 T8 is quite unusual for a PHEV, in that it also has an onboard generator that can power the electric motor via the engine, therefore you never get caught out without enough electric power to operate in 4WD mode, as it effectively acts instantaneously. A different matter is that the 4WD mode is not as capable as most 4WD systems - including a non-PHEV XC90 - as it sends much more power to the front axle than the rear, so whilst it is better to have than not in slippery conditions, it is a long way from xDrive or similar systems.
The generator also allows you to add electric range to the battery whilst driving using petrol - admittedly a rather inefficient way of charging, but possibly useful in a few cases.

All this said, the X7 is a MUCH nicer place to be than the XC90, in terms of comfort, refinement, space, and handling (I had a XC90 T8 for 3 years before the X7).

Exactly, and like you say, this is the case for the non-PHEV XC90s too, and unless I am misstaken, the 4W capabilities also decrease over time (I don't know the proper english term, but think it has to do with the rear axel being connected with technology based on viscosity). I currently drive a XC90 V8 from 06', it feels like a front wheel drive but with much better grip. But you never feel 4 wheels delivering force at the same time like you do with a "real" wheel drive.

[SweBMW2021]

OMG, a PHEV version is deemed to be likely for 2023! Great news!

Is it a safe bet that it will be 5 seats?
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...py-shots-video
"It isn't clear what BMW has planned for the powertrains. The X7 currently offers inline-6 and V-8 options, including a high-performance V-8 in an Alpina model that's also about to be updated. A plug-in hybrid option is likely, but the jury is still out on whether a battery-electric X7 is planned. The vehicle's CLAR platform is capable of supporting electric powertrains and we know one is destined for the next 7-Series. In fact, prototypes for the electric 7-Series are already testing."

[huskerdoc2020]

I'm just the opposite…so glad I got a 2020 without any hybrid crap on it.

[Matt 335is]

Originally Posted by huskerdoc2020

I'm just the opposite…so glad I got a 2020 without any hybrid crap on it.

lmao is this another version of "Get off my lawn!"

[Matt 335is]

Originally Posted by SweBMW2021

OMG, a PHEV version is deemed to be likely for 2023! Great news!

Is it a safe bet that it will be 5 seats?

If it is true, I hope the PHEV version is released at the same time as the all the other X7 LCI versions. Guess we'll have to stay tuned.

[roxxor]

Originally Posted by Matt 335is

If it is true, I hope the PHEV version is released at the same time as the all the other X7 LCI versions. Guess we'll have to stay tuned.

I'd hope so too, as I would definitely get the PHEV variant if available. The UK got a head start on the X5 xDrive45e, and I believe they also had the X3 hybrid for a little while before it got released here.

[SweBMW2021]

Originally Posted by roxxor

I'd hope so too, as I would definitely get the PHEV variant if available. The UK got a head start on the X5 xDrive45e, and I believe they also had the X3 hybrid for a little while before it got released here.

Same here.

BTW what is the likely cost for the PHEV version, do you guys think it will come in above the M50?

[Matt 335is]

Originally Posted by SweBMW2021

Same here.

BTW what is the likely cost for the PHEV version, do you guys think it will come in above the M50?

No, I'd look to the current X5 pricing as a general guide:
https://www.bmwusa.com/build-your-ow...tivity-vehicle

I'd expect it to be slightly more than xDrive40i but well under M50i.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by SweBMW2021

OMG, a PHEV version is deemed to be likely for 2023! Great news!

Is it a safe bet that it will be 5 seats?
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...py-shots-video
"It isn't clear what BMW has planned for the powertrains. The X7 currently offers inline-6 and V-8 options, including a high-performance V-8 in an Alpina model that's also about to be updated. A plug-in hybrid option is likely, but the jury is still out on whether a battery-electric X7 is planned. The vehicle's CLAR platform is capable of supporting electric powertrains and we know one is destined for the next 7-Series. In fact, prototypes for the electric 7-Series are already testing."

As noted earlier in this thread, unfortunately PHEV is highly unlikely for the x7.

1. Our insiders have not seen any indications, lci powertrain updates look limited to the updated b58 at 375hp and updated S68 V8
2. There have been no spy shots of a hybrid version

https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

[Wild Blue]

Originally Posted by xlover

As noted earlier in this thread, unfortunately PHEV is highly unlikely for the x7.

1. Our insiders have not seen any indications, lci powertrain updates look limited to the updated b58 at 375 and updated S68 V8
2. There have been no spy shots of a hybrid version

https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

Agreed. There is often an automotive website or two that will spread rumors like PHEV, but so far official information does not indicate coming for the X7. BMW is putting those efforts into the XM.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by Wild Blue

Agreed. There is often an automotive website or two that will spread rumors like PHEV, but so far official information does not indicate coming for the X7. BMW is putting those efforts into the XM.

Its a pitty. I would actually prefer a 5 seater X7 with a larger trunk that can be closed from top. I think they would be "forced" to do that version if going PHEV route but seems unlikely now…

[Matt 335is]

Yea, I didn't think a PHEV was very likely.

I'd actually prefer a 4-seat X7 over anything. Two captains chairs with no possibility of a third row at all.

Resell would be classic... full-size SUV, seats 4.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by Matt 335is

Yea, I didn't think a PHEV was very likely.

I'd actually prefer a 4-seat X7 over anything. Two captains chairs with no possibility of a third row at all.

Resell would be classic... full-size SUV, seats 4.

I wouldn't be surprised if the XM had an option along those lines

[Wild Blue]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

Its a pitty. I would actually prefer a 5 seater X7 with a larger trunk that can be closed from top. I think they would be "forced" to do that version if going PHEV route but seems unlikely now…

Originally Posted by Matt 335is

I'd actually prefer a 4-seat X7 over anything. Two captains chairs with no possibility of a third row at all.

Resell would be classic... full-size SUV, seats 4.

Yes, I've been asking for this from the beginning of the X7, and BMW is putting a lot of that design thought into the XM, which the final version of is still TBD.

[midavi68]

I asked my dealer about this and he told me that they have not received any news about the release of a PHEV. Would definitely be a nice option to have.

[SweBMW2021]

Anyone know if these pictures are real:
https://insideevs.com/photo/3977913/...suv-leaks-out/

[Matt 335is]

Originally Posted by SweBMW2021

Anyone know if these pictures are real:

Yes, they are real. But look at the date, Sept 7, 2017. That was the X7 concept vehicle to promote the 2018/2019 X7. This concept has nothing to do with the upcoming LCI.

[SweBMW2021]

Originally Posted by Matt 335is

Yes, they are real. But look at the date, Sept 7, 2017. That was the X7 concept vehicle to promote the 2018/2019 X7. This concept has nothing to do with the upcoming LCI.

Aha, thanks, and sorry for posting old photos... Thought they could be rendered but it didn't cross my mind that they could be half a century old...