[ichibanb18c]

Heard there maybe a 45e version to the X7 possibly for 2022? How many think it will happen? I honestly like to see this happen because I though the X5 45e was a bit small and would've only ever considered the X7 if it came PHEV. I currently have a 530e which adding a X7 45e would be perfect in our stable.

[Wild Blue]

Originally Posted by ichibanb18c

Heard there maybe a 45e version to the X7 possibly for 2022? How many think it will happen? I honestly like to see this happen because I though the X5 45e was a bit small and would've only ever considered the X7 if it came PHEV. I currently have a 530e which adding a X7 45e would be perfect in our stable.

Definitely not for MY2022, which is already out. I think we would have heard about it if this was coming for MY2023, as we already have news of the 2023 engine changes coming, with no word on PHEV.

I see BMW focusing on X8 with that

[ichibanb18c]

Originally Posted by Wild Blue

Definitely not for MY2022, which is already out. I think we would have heard about it if this was coming for MY2023, as we already have news of the 2023 engine changes coming, with no word on PHEV.

I see BMW focusing on X8 with that

Had seen this the other day

[dmanb2b]

Originally Posted by ichibanb18c

Had seen this the other day

Right, so that's a MY 2023, which should be released in August 2022. No one knows yet, unless BMW confirms. Right now people can't even get touchscreens in their new orders

[bono]

G07 hybrid plugin would be so perfect for me. Maybe I would even convince myself that additional car payments make sense.

[Wild Blue]

FWIW, here's the best information we have on the X7 LCI engines, from this thread:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

LCI in 08/22. Will get the refreshed B57, B58 and the new S68 engines. The lineup remains the same as now. All models will get the 48V system. The new dashboard is making an appearance.

No true EV or hybrid. Just the 48V augmentation

And a discussion about the X8 (XM, or G09) upcoming engines, which are expected to include a 45e.
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1868765

[Delrazdan]

Originally Posted by bono

G07 hybrid plugin would be so perfect for me. Maybe I would even convince myself that additional car payments make sense.

Sure, and at current offering will take 2 days to charge the car

[bono]

Not sure what you are talking about. Have a proper EV charger as I have 530e. Would love to have X7 plug in to drive locally "for free" (have big solar panel system) and be able to tow my trailer, for which I have X5. X7 is proper size for my current needs. But likely only plug in version would convince me to pay that much money for a car.

Originally Posted by Delrazdan

Sure, and at current offering will take 2 days to charge the car

[Delrazdan]

Originally Posted by bono

Not sure what you are talking about. Have a proper EV charger as I have 530e. Would love to have X7 plug in to drive locally "for free" (have big solar panel system) and be able to tow my trailer, for which I have X5. X7 is proper size for my current needs. But likely only plug in version would convince me to pay that much money for a car.

Even on a level 2 charger x5 45e takes several hours to charge. X7 battery will have to be bigger. BMW will have to change to new hardware and charging protocol to charge faster.

Also, this has been much talked about that to get tax credit the car has to hit I think combined 50 mpg. For a much heavier car like x7 it’s going to take a lot bigger battery, which poses another problem - where to put it. 45e loses trunk space, x7 would need creativity.

Now, given all the shortages and “excitement” about iX, my opinion is BMW is going to put more effort on making iX successful rather than tinker with X7 mid cycle. They don’t need to sell x7, it’s already a seller. With chip shortage and supply chain issue, it does not make business sense.

But there is my 1.5 cents.

[k23435]

The new Range Rover will be available with 7 seats & plug-in hybrid, with claimed range of 62 miles and 50 kW charger.

[TXSchnee]

The new 7 passenger Range Rover PHEV will probably prod BMW to announce an X7 PHEV.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by k23435

The new Range Rover will be available with 7 seats & plug-in hybrid, with claimed range of 62 miles and 50 kW charger.

I think the 7 seater version of RR wont have a hybrid option. If LCI X7 gets a proper hybrid I dont see how it will work as a 7 seater. I would actually prefer they give an option of a 5 seater X7.

[k23435]

You can check the link above (underlined text), or the same link below:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-r...nd-seven-seats

Long wheelbase models will be available with the P440e

It is a bit unclear if the LWB P440e will be 7-seater, fingers crossed that it will. For those of us who require 7 seats (I have 4 kids), there really isn't too many premium hybrids to choose from. Here's hoping that BMW would make one. Other potential upcoming options would include Volvo XC100 and Audi Q9, but both of them are only rumours at this stage. I know I am truly at a niche here, but Tesla X is not suitable as I require a roof box for skis.

Hybrid engines are quite important in countries where tax on car price is based on emissions. For example, I would pay over 90 kUSD in taxes on top of the price of X7 M50, whereas for hybrid the tax paid would drop to under 5 kUSD. It really drives purchase decisions, as is intended.

[Delrazdan]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

I think the 7 seater version of RR wont have a hybrid option. If LCI X7 gets a proper hybrid I dont see how it will work as a 7 seater. I would actually prefer they give an option of a 5 seater X7.

The five seater option exists in x45e

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by Delrazdan

The five seater option exists in x45e

Yes but with less cargo space than x7, for me x7 would be awesome with 5 seats and trunk

[bradythedog12]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

Yes but with less cargo space than x7, for me x7 would be awesome with 5 seats and trunk

Isn’t that the current rumor about the X8?

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by bradythedog12

Isn’t that the current rumor about the X8?

Yes i think so but XM even with the 45e will likely be in another price category. We will know more soon.

[Wild Blue]

You're both correct--the XM/X8 will be a 2 row SUV, currently indicating to have a hybrid available. And is said to be "the most expensive production BMW ever made".

[k23435]

Originally Posted by k23435

It is a bit unclear if the LWB P440e will be 7-seater, fingers crossed that it will.

From https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...nge-rover/suv/

The PHEVs are not available with three rows, owing to packaging difficulties with the underfloor batteries and target weight limits.

OK BMW, now I am relying on you to bring a 7 seater X7 45e! Having said that, not sure how BMW could overcome the same problems that Range Rover is facing.

[k23435]

Just to close the loop on this, I visited the local Land Rover dealership yesterday as they were showcasing the new Range Rover. I quite liked it, but naturally you may feel differently.

Unfortunately the sales person confirmed, that the new Range Rover PHEV will only come in Short Wheelbase (SWB), and thus it is not available in the Long Wheelbase (LWB) 7 seater configuration.

The search continues, the shortlist for 7 seater PHEV now includes:

1. BMW X7 LCI (sadly unlikely to come in PHEV)
2. Upcoming Volvo XC90 (potentially introduced in 2022 for MY2023)
3. Upcoming (?) Audi Q9 (potentially introduced in 2023 for MY2024)

Many thanks for the suggestions in the other thread, unfortunately majority of them are not on sale on this side of the Atlantic.

[sotti]

XC90 already comes in a PHEV version, the current T8 is a PHEV

[thenew3]

Originally Posted by k23435

The search continues, the shortlist for 7 seater PHEV now includes:

1. BMW X7 LCI (sadly unlikely to come in PHEV)
2. Upcoming Volvo XC90 (potentially introduced in 2022 for MY2023)
3. Upcoming (?) Audi Q9 (potentially introduced in 2023 for MY2024)

A family member has the XC90. Not the T8 PHEV version though.
It's smaller than the X7, especially the 3rd row seats and rear cargo room. 3rd row is only for very small kids and only short trips at that. Where as in the X7 I've had 5'8" adults in 3rd row for several hour long trips and they were comfortable.
It's noisier, that 4 cylinder doesn't sound good at all. and more road/wind noise.
It's rougher riding than X7. Suspension doesn't feel as refined.

An acquaintance has the T8 PHEV version of the XC90 and has had a lot of issues with it. Always at the dealer for some powertrain issue. I believe she's had the battery and electric motor replaced more than once. Each time is a few weeks wait for diagnosis and parts. She also only gets single digit range from the battery so unless your daily commute is super short, the PHEV part doesn't really help much.

Unfortunately there isn't much to choose from in a real 7 seat PHEV.