[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

yes, same wheel, but the link you have isnt the correct bolt circle or offset.

G07 should be 5X112 ET 22 or ET 35 with a CB of 66.66

https://www.bbwheelsonline.com/drag-...ack-gray-22mm/

doesnt look like they have the black. that was my first choice. im going to see how i feel about the hyperblack. i might plastidip them, for winter rims im not going to bother to get them powdercoated.

Thanks. I may try those and get them blacked.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

yes, same wheel, but the link you have isnt the correct bolt circle or offset.

G07 should be 5X112 ET 22 or ET 35 with a CB of 66.66

https://www.bbwheelsonline.com/drag-...ack-gray-22mm/

doesnt look like they have the black. that was my first choice. im going to see how i feel about the hyperblack. i might plastidip them, for winter rims im not going to bother to get them powdercoated.

Is this the tire?

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/vredestein-wintrac-pro 275 50r20

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

Is this the tire?

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/vredestein-wintrac-pro 275 50r20

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...TPXL&tab=Sizes

275/50-20

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...&tab=Sizes

275/50-20

Why did you pick that tire vs a blizzack or a wintercontact?

Sorry for the 20 questions, I'm trying to figure this out and not f it up. 🤣

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

Why did you pick that tire vs a blizzack or a wintercontact?

Sorry for the 20 questions, I'm trying to figure this out and not f it up. 🤣

sizing and type. for performance winters, theres only the wintrac pro and the scorpion winter.
scorpion winter just reappeared but costs about 150 more per tire and is only currently available in the standard load version.
i've run the scorpion winter and its a good tire. but its an older design, and clear road handling in the wet is only ok (in my experience).

there's two studless snow and ice tires avail, the michelin and the bridgestone, but for NYC area, its too squishy and poor dry/wet handling for when its not snowing.

there is a severe snow service rated all season in the size as well, the michelin crossclimate 2. i debated getting those, but in the end i decided to go for the full on snow tire since i am swapping between summers and winter. it was a hard choice though.
the tire rack rep said the wintrac pro would be better on dry/wet/snow and their test results seem to indicate that but im skeptical. i'll let you know in a few months

so i had them mounted today, the seem to be a decent quality tire. roadforce numbers were all in the mid teens, with the exception of one, that was at the upper limit for acceptable, 24 pounds of force. the installer tried to get the number lower (i credit him for trying a few times) but 24lbs was the best we could get. probably would need to swap the tire or rim out, but not something i felt like was necessary, i've driven low profile tires at around the same roadforce and its fine.

The HUF RDE077V21 work perfectly with the 2023 ( ignore the pressure, i have them still on a cart for later so i told the installer to just leave it at 48psi from the roadforce balancing.)

and thats what they look like on the front. lots of sidewall for the massive craters that are going to start growing around the city. i moved up the mobile tire appointment and didnt have time to swap out all 4, i installed one and reset tpms to make sure it registered properly.

[streborx]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

lol, i was actually going to go that exact route.

if you go the discount tire route, be aware when i built my package they specced rubber stem tpms sensors. the 33560 https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us (not sure why the forum is blocking the direct link)

those are not supposed to be specced on any car with a top speed over 115mph, and i confirmed that with schrader. granted i dont think i would ever go that fast, but i wasnt happy at that spec for our application.

i contacted discount tire to see if they would sub an aluminum stemmed tpms, and they said they couldnt, at least the online store.

thats why i ordered the wheels on their own and researched tpms options and found the HUFs at amazon for a really reasonable price.

I was about to pull the trigger on the aforementioned wheel and tire package, when I thought about the leftover wheel/tire set that I bought for my Lexus (on which I restored its OE 21" wheels before trading it for my X7).

The wheel/tire set I have is 20" x 9" (22mm offset) Status Mastodon 5's with Pirelli 275/50R20's mounted. Perfect except for the 5x150 bolt pattern instead of 5x112.

I can go with a 3/4" spacer/adapter to make the bolt pattern work, but this adds another 19mm effective offset so that this 20" package will extend a total of 29mm further than the X7's OE setup. The OE 22" (758i) wheels and Contis already seem to be at edge of the fender (actually the sidewall on the front is only about 10mm in from the top of the fender.

I thought about having the rotors drilled with a 5x150 bolt pattern, but I'm not sure this is standard practice, and would probably be more trouble than buying the DR76's.

I'm anxious to see your finished installation, and would appreciate your assessment of an additional 19mm of offset to your setup.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

sizing and type. for performance winters, theres only the wintrac pro and the scorpion winter.
scorpion winter just reappeared but costs about 150 more per tire and is only currently available in the standard load version.
i've run the scorpion winter and its a good tire. but its an older design, and clear road handling in the wet is only ok (in my experience).

there's two studless snow and ice tires avail, the michelin and the bridgestone, but for NYC area, its too squishy and poor dry/wet handling for when its not snowing.

there is a severe snow service rated all season in the size as well, the michelin crossclimate 2. i debated getting those, but in the end i decided to go for the full on snow tire since i am swapping between summers and winter. it was a hard choice though.
the tire rack rep said the wintrac pro would be better on dry/wet/snow and their test results seem to indicate that but im skeptical. i'll let you know in a few months

so i had them mounted today, the seem to be a decent quality tire. roadforce numbers were all in the mid teens, with the exception of one, that was at the upper limit for acceptable, 24 pounds of force. the installer tried to get the number lower (i credit him for trying a few times) but 24lbs was the best we could get. probably would need to swap the tire or rim out, but not something i felt like was necessary, i've driven low profile tires at around the same roadforce and its fine.

The HUF RDE077V21 work perfectly with the 2023 ( ignore the pressure, i have them still on a cart for later so i told the installer to just leave it at 48psi from the roadforce balancing.)

and thats what they look like on the front. lots of sidewall for the massive craters that are going to start growing around the city. i moved up the mobile tire appointment and didnt have time to swap out all 4, i installed one and reset tpms to make sure it registered properly.

What about this tire? I know it isn't "performance" but I had it on my X5 and I found it to be amazing in the snow and generally very good on NYC roads from Nov-March. I don't think I'll be needing to get over 115MPH. Do you see any reason this wouldn't work with those same drag rims?

Tire: Bridgestone BLIZZAK DM-V2 - SIZE: 275/50R20 https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...RatingsReviews

[streborx]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

What about this tire? I know it isn't "performance" but I had it on my X5 and I found it to be amazing in the snow and generally very good on NYC roads from Nov-March. I don't think I'll be needing to get over 115MPH. Do you see any reason this wouldn't work with those same drag rims?

Tire: Bridgestone BLIZZAK DM-V2 - SIZE: 275/50R20 https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...RatingsReviews

I have Blizzaks on my old Jeep YJ that I use to push a 7 ft. snowplow. They are like glue! I push a full blade of snow uphill on slick blacktop with them. I threw away my tire chains after buying them.

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

What about this tire? I know it isn't "performance" but I had it on my X5 and I found it to be amazing in the snow and generally very good on NYC roads from Nov-March. I don't think I'll be needing to get over 115MPH. Do you see any reason this wouldn't work with those same drag rims?

Tire: Bridgestone BLIZZAK DM-V2 - SIZE: 275/50R20 https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...RatingsReviews

that would work fine-- just a personal preference.
i had a set of WS blizzaks on my E46. it was great in the snow and ice, but it felt squishy when not in the snow. braking distances and aquaplaning were pretty bad.

i switched to perf winters since and never had any problems in NYC, even when i drove manual RWDs ( E90 and F30).

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by streborx

I was about to pull the trigger on the aforementioned wheel and tire package, when I thought about the leftover wheel/tire set that I bought for my Lexus (on which I restored its OE 21" wheels before trading it for my X7).

The wheel/tire set I have is 20" x 9" (22mm offset) Status Mastodon 5's with Pirelli 275/50R20's mounted. Perfect except for the 5x150 bolt pattern instead of 5x112.

I can go with a 3/4" spacer/adapter to make the bolt pattern work, but this adds another 19mm effective offset so that this 20" package will extend a total of 29mm further than the X7's OE setup. The OE 22" (758i) wheels and Contis already seem to be at edge of the fender (actually the sidewall on the front is only about 10mm in from the top of the fender.

I thought about having the rotors drilled with a 5x150 bolt pattern, but I'm not sure this is standard practice, and would probably be more trouble than buying the DR76's.

I'm anxious to see your finished installation, and would appreciate your assessment of an additional 19mm of offset to your setup.

it'll probably be late october, although the forecast in NYC is already showing 45F night time temps next weeked.

i dont think you can do a 19mm effective spacer. there was a little less clearance at loading height than stock, 19mm i think would hit the fender. I can measure when they go back on.

whether they can redrill the wheels is going to depend on how much material is there. also if the centerbore is smaller (doubt it) that would need to be machined out. i guess how much would that cost vs the drags at 275ish?

which lexus was it for?
im showing that some of them were 5X114.3 (wobble bolts i think might work) but with a centerbore of 60mm (would need to be enlarged)

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

that would work fine-- just a personal preference.
i had a set of WS blizzaks on my E46. it was great in the snow and ice, but it felt squishy when not in the snow. braking distances and aquaplaning were pretty bad.

i switched to perf winters since and never had any problems in NYC, even when i drove manual RWDs ( E90 and F30).

So if I understand correctly the performance winter tire is going to do best on dry and wet winter roads the Blizzak will be better on the ice and snow? I guess 95% of the winter here is dry I think I will go with perf winters. I do agree that the blizzaks felt mushy on the highway. Thanks!

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

So if I understand correctly the performance winter tire is going to do best on dry and wet winter roads the Blizzak will be better on the ice and snow? I guess 95% of the winter here is dry I think I will go with perf winters. I do agree that the blizzaks felt mushy on the highway. Thanks!

mostly the ice is where you will see a drop off in traction.

for the tristate area, its mostly cold wet and slushy, i think its fair to say its very seldom that one would be driving on unplowed snow or ice since everything is plowed and salted pretty quickly.

but yeah, my thinking is that 90% of the time its going to be either light snow, slush, or just cold and wet. which perf winters will handle better than studless snow and ice.

[streborx]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

it'll probably be late october, although the forecast in NYC is already showing 45F night time temps next weeked.

i dont think you can do a 19mm effective spacer. there was a little less clearance at loading height than stock, 19mm i think would hit the fender. I can measure when they go back on.

whether they can redrill the wheels is going to depend on how much material is there. also if the centerbore is smaller (doubt it) that would need to be machined out. i guess how much would that cost vs the drags at 275ish?

which lexus was it for?
im showing that some of them were 5X114.3 (wobble bolts i think might work) but with a centerbore of 60mm (would need to be enlarged)

Thanks for the photos. You seem to have much more fender clearance than I do. After taking some measurements yesterday, I'm inclined to agree that shifting the wheel and tire outboard another 19mm would be a problem. There's only about 2" of vertical fender clearance now on the front.

Redrilling the wheels is not an option as the hub bore is about 110mm. My Lexus was an LX that shares the same drive train and axle setup with the Toyota Tundra, Land Cruiser and Sequoia, all having the 5x150 bolt pattern.

I think my best option is the DF76, but with the 35mm offset so that the tires stay tucked inside the fenders.

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by streborx

Thanks for the photos. You seem to have much more fender clearance than I do. After taking some measurements yesterday, I'm inclined to agree that shifting the wheel and tire outboard another 19mm would be a problem. There's only about 2" of vertical fender clearance now on the front.

Redrilling the wheels is not an option as the hub bore is about 110mm. My Lexus was an LX that shares the same drive train and axle setup with the Toyota Tundra, Land Cruiser and Sequoia, all having the 5x150 bolt pattern.

I think my best option is the DF76, but with the 35mm offset so that the tires stay tucked inside the fenders.

one of the pics was from when i had just lowered the jack- the shock was i think at full extension. it settled down once i moved the car.

stock fronts are 9.5" wide. the drag is 1/2 an inch narrower-

ET22 should land the face of the rim at about where the OE rims hit.
stock 9.5" front rims are ET32- 36 (depending on the rim).

[streborx]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

one of the pics was from when i had just lowered the jack- the shock was i think at full extension. it settled down once i moved the car.

stock fronts are 9.5" wide. the drag is 1/2 an inch narrower-

ET22 should land the face of the rim at about where the OE rims hit.
stock 9.5" front rims are ET32- 36 (depending on the rim).

The Status wheels from the Lexus are 9" (22mm offset) versus the X7's OE 9.5" (32mm offset) (front), so the 1/2" difference gets absorbed by this. The 275 tire width seems to dominate the wheel dimension. In fact, the Status/Pirelli setup measures 286mm at the sidewall extreme, and the OE 758i/Conti setup measures 282mm.

And without adding splash guards, I'm also concerned about tire spray onto the paint with all that extra rubber sticking out.

I'll be putting the car in storage at the end of the month until April, so I've got time to mull it over some more.

[streborx]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

one of the pics was from when i had just lowered the jack- the shock was i think at full extension. it settled down once i moved the car.

stock fronts are 9.5" wide. the drag is 1/2 an inch narrower-

ET22 should land the face of the rim at about where the OE rims hit.
stock 9.5" front rims are ET32- 36 (depending on the rim).

Does your M40 have the M Sport Brake package with blue calipers? I can't quite make out the configuration in your photos. I spoke with a wheel dealer today about the DR76, and he expressed concerns about the 20" wheel clearing the M50i's brake calipers. Diameter-wise, I'll be OK on clearance, but depth-wise clearance needs a test fit as you've done.

[streborx]

Originally Posted by streborx

Does your M40 have the M Sport Brake package with blue calipers? I can't quite make out the configuration in your photos. I spoke with a wheel dealer today about the DR76, and he expressed concerns about the 20" wheel clearing the M50i's brake calipers. Diameter-wise, I'll be OK on clearance, but depth-wise clearance needs a test fit as you've done.

Scanning back through all your earlier posts on this thread, I found your mention of having the M Sport brake setup. Nevermind!

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by streborx

Scanning back through all your earlier posts on this thread, I found your mention of having the M Sport brake setup. Nevermind!

yup, i have the Msport brakes option, 99% sure its the same as the stock brakes on your M50. no clearance issue, a good finger between the barrel and the caliper.

[streborx]

Thanks for the followup and confirmation on this. I hadn't planned to buy until spring, but while comparison shopping, I found that the aftermarket wheel supply is in total disarray. I found a set of 4 DR76's at MrWheels and snapped them up. Who knows what the supply situation will be next year.

[streborx]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

yup, i have the Msport brakes option, 99% sure its the same as the stock brakes on your M50. no clearance issue, a good finger between the barrel and the caliper.

I received my set of Drag wheels yesterday and did a test fit (front & rear) today -- no problems! Plenty of clearance for a 20" wheel. I'm getting tires and TPMSs on order. Only incompatibility is the center cap. OE is 57mm and the Drag wheel inner cap (excluding the adapter ring) measures 68mm O.D. I've found sets of 68mm BMW caps on Amazon and elsewhere. Can you confirm 68mm, your cap source and if cap quality is OK? Thanks in advance.

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by streborx

I received my set of Drag wheels yesterday and did a test fit (front & rear) today -- no problems! Plenty of clearance for a 20" wheel. I'm getting tires and TPMSs on order. Only incompatibility is the center cap. OE is 57mm and the Drag wheel inner cap (excluding the adapter ring) measures 68mm O.D. I've found sets of 68mm BMW caps on Amazon and elsewhere. Can you confirm 68mm, your cap source and if cap quality is OK? Thanks in advance.

so you need to keep the adapter ring.

Drag lists (OEM BMW#36 13 1 095 361) as fitting. thats the old wheel center cap.

its been superceded by (and its nicer, rounded chrome edge vs a plastic rim)

SKU: 36-13-6-783-536
Other Names: Wheel Center Cap
Description:
Genuine BMW Wheel Center Caps with Emblem & Chrome Ring. Sold individually. (order a qty of 4 if you need a full set of 4) Standard 65mm size that fits most BMW wheels up through F Series. *Include VIN # with order and we'll ensure fitment to your factory wheels.

Replaces: 36-13-1-095-361, 36-13-6-768-640

i got these, 62 for a set, oem.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224126077278

they fit perfectly and snap into the adapter ring.
before mounting tires i removed the adapter ring to avoid the tech not noticing it was a ring and crushing it with the clamp
its easier to pop the adapters in or out if you slide the steel spring ring in away from the end of the prongs holding it in and the reverse when you reinstall

the HUF RDE077V21 should also work for you car-- its basically universal for almost all recent bmws. 40 each.

tire rack has them.

i was going to recommend amazon for them, but the price has gone up- alot. i bought mine back in august for 31 each and they are now 52 each.

[streborx]

Many thanks Orient330iNYC -- using p/n's you've provided, I found the caps at BMWPartsDeal.com for $58/set, and the TPMSs at tpms .com for $45/ea. All should arrive in a week. CrossClimates scheduled to install on the 17th.