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      03-01-2023, 01:33 PM   #23
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I like everything about this except the size of the grills. That's not coming from being "resistant to change" that's coming from the only thing I see is GRILLS. It's literally the first thing I focused on.

Just like most of the other BMW models that are designed this way, it's just obnoxiously oversized grills for no reason.

Other than that it looks great, love the color combination too.

Just my .02
As the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not trying to get you riled up but here is my car.
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I like the LCI changes. We have a '22 X5 and the lease will be up next year and we're already thinking about moving up to this X7.
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Skin in the game???

The guy bought an X7. Not sure how much more or less skin in the game one needs to have. I’m fine with someone owning a car and complaining about it vs a reviewer than has it for a few hours or days.

People get banned all the time for innocuous comments and there’s a strange bent towards a “BMW can do no wrong” mentality by some, which is a categorically false statement and epitomizes a clear bias, much more than a savage geese video that has minimal bias, relatively speaking.

I guess we can agree to disagree.
Next time properly read my post before you disagree at the very least as you would realize your post makes no sense as a response to mine.
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Next time properly read my post before you disagree at the very least as you would realize your post makes no sense as a response to mine.
I read your post.

And my response stands.

I will say it sounds a little pretentious to dismiss someone else’s comments & opinions so categorically bc they have a lower rep score than yours. This is a big reason why lots of posts devolve into name calling, banning, and a relative lack of respecting someone else’s opinion whether it’s about grills, headlights, interior/exterior design, etc. Our interaction is a great example of this, albeit not to such an extreme as I’ve witnessed on some other threads.

I’ve been on the forums long enough, with a different username, to notice there is an inherent lack of respect towards an opinion that isn’t flattering towards the brand. As much as you say people lost their shit and started posting so many negative comments about newer design elements that their banishment was justified, I’ll counter that as long as you aren’t disrespecting someone else personally you should be able to say whatever you want, especially when it’s about an automotive design.

Call me old fashioned but I’m a fan of free speech even when it’s negative to a brand I generally like.

Again, criticism is healthy.
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As the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not trying to get you riled up but here is my car.
You're absolutely right that's why I said that was just my .02.

Don't worry you're not going to get me riled up.

Since we are sharing
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You're absolutely right that's why I said that was just my .02.

Don't worry you're not going to get me riled up.

Since we are sharing
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The front fascia of the LCI's are growing on me. The first time I saw it online I cringed, but then seeing it in person is definitely much better. What Manual6341 did looks awesome! Great job!
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As the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not trying to get you riled up but here is my car.
New M3 looks good, as long as it’s in darker colors and the performance is amazing. No denying that
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X7 is a great looking vehicle, tons of presence.

BMW's design language is weird indeed, but doesn't stop me from including their vehicles in my consideration set.
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You simply haven't been here long enough (2022 newbie) as the reality is a total 180 with your claim. This is by far the most negative forum of any automotive brand forum that I've been a part of and I've been a part of a lot of them. Way more than most. A lot of BMW enthusiasts simply despise any sort of change and a good portion of posters here hate on every single new vehicle released. They had to ban a bunch of posters from posting in the G8x forums because they went total batshit crazy when photos of the new grilles leaked. Never seen anything like that in my life. Your initial claim of an unbiased take was simply incorrect plain and simple. An unbiased take would come from a reviewer that doesn't own either vehicle, isn't a BMW fan, and has no skin in the game.
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Skin in the game???

The guy bought an X7. Not sure how much more or less skin in the game one needs to have. I’m fine with someone owning a car and complaining about it vs a reviewer than has it for a few hours or days.

People get banned all the time for innocuous comments and there’s a strange bent towards a “BMW can do no wrong” mentality by some, which is a categorically false statement and epitomizes a clear bias, much more than a savage geese video that has minimal bias, relatively speaking.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

"skin in the game" ? .... truth is, most are leased. There is no skin in the game.
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I read your post.

And my response stands.

I will say it sounds a little pretentious to dismiss someone else’s comments & opinions so categorically bc they have a lower rep score than yours. This is a big reason why lots of posts devolve into name calling, banning, and a relative lack of respecting someone else’s opinion whether it’s about grills, headlights, interior/exterior design, etc. Our interaction is a great example of this, albeit not to such an extreme as I’ve witnessed on some other threads.

I’ve been on the forums long enough, with a different username, to notice there is an inherent lack of respect towards an opinion that isn’t flattering towards the brand. As much as you say people lost their shit and started posting so many negative comments about newer design elements that their banishment was justified, I’ll counter that as long as you aren’t disrespecting someone else personally you should be able to say whatever you want, especially when it’s about an automotive design.

Call me old fashioned but I’m a fan of free speech even when it’s negative to a brand I generally like.

Again, criticism is healthy.
I agree 100% with that statement. Just because I have one model (2 in my case ) doesn’t necessarily mean I like the brand as a whole and that I agree with everything that they’re creating. I actually hate when corporations are trying to explain that that is our newest thing we came up with and it’s the best by far just because it’s bigger more powerful faster etc. last 3 series is 5 series size from 20 years ago. My F90 M5 is huge even though it had less legroom in the back than my old W124 Mercedes with drivers seat positioned how I liked it. And all those paying top dollar for e46 M3s and e39 M5/s are probably disagree as well. They wouldn’t be as expensive if the new models would hit the spot. Just because they do it for majority doesn’t exactly mean manufacturer is right. However every corporation is in the same business. Making money is the name of the game.
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Great looking color wtwo3 . In fact there are quite a few aspects of the new ///M3 that I enjoy, but that front end just ruins it for me.Thanks for sharing.
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New M3 looks good, as long as it’s in darker colors and the performance is amazing. No denying that
Looks good, until you get to the front end!! But, we all know that looks are subjective.
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I think BMW and Mercedes have strongly shifted priorities to capturing newer and younger buyers. The traditionalists [like myself] who whine about steering feel or conservative styling, who grew up with E46s and hydraulic steering Bangle era cars, are either old now or have moved on and no longer care about those things. So the big grilles, predominance of SUVs in the portfolio, departure of the angel eyes, etc. are things younger and newer customers really don't care about. BMW is printing money and seems to do no wrong.

Mercedes is also going full screens and tech with their interiors, as evidenced by their own photos of the upcoming E-class interior. That stereotypical conservative 55 yr old E-class buyer in our heads who adores leather/wood/physical controls no longer exists. He/she is driving a Tesla or GLE nowadays.
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I think BMW and Mercedes have strongly shifted priorities to capturing newer and younger buyers. The traditionalists [like myself] who whine about steering feel or conservative styling, who grew up with E46s and hydraulic steering Bangle era cars, are either old now or have moved on and no longer care about those things. So the big grilles, predominance of SUVs in the portfolio, departure of the angel eyes, etc. are things younger and newer customers really don't care about. BMW is printing money and seems to do no wrong.

Mercedes is also going full screens and tech with their interiors, as evidenced by their own photos of the upcoming E-class interior. That stereotypical conservative 55 yr old E-class buyer in our heads who adores leather/wood/physical controls no longer exists. He/she is driving a Tesla or GLE nowadays.
Spot on. Young people even know how to use voice controls for everything even without a user manual. Mercedes’ designs are thoroughly odd and confusing. But it’s not just this demographic shift. BMW - and MB - are investing in software and new electric platforms and slashing cogs while raising prices. Tesla effect. But you’re right the market doesn’t seem to mind…
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Why are they copying the Koreans with that stupid styling
I think with all the designers playing musical chairs at these companies it’s somewhat inevitable, but I kinda see what they were going for. At least in the sport trim it’s a bit of an evolution of some classic elements. The big squared off intakes on the sides of the front bumper have been around for a while. Seems like they’re trying to shift that shape upwards and into the headlight, while trying to create some illusion that the headlight is one unit. Whether that’s pleasing to the eye or successful is up to you. I think it’s interesting and not totally unprecedented for the brand though. Pardon my crappy phone drawing.
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Spot on. Young people even know how to use voice controls for everything even without a user manual. Mercedes’ designs are thoroughly odd and confusing. But it’s not just this demographic shift. BMW - and MB - are investing in software and new electric platforms and slashing cogs while raising prices. Tesla effect. But you’re right the market doesn’t seem to mind…
These brands are really just status symbols for the majority of buyers, so BMW is making products that deliver on that with attractive lease deals relative to competitors. Ultimately the brand value is so strong that people will buy almost anything these automakers produce. The name of the game is to change up the styling and tech every 3-4 years to keep the leasing game going strong.

Anybody who wants a large 3 row German SUV, their choices are literally just X7 or GLS. And in the enthusiast segment, there's even less choice. What alternatives are there to the M3? C63 really is the main one that people know about. Giulia QV and Cadillac Blackwings are highly niche products that lease like shit and lack the marketing, brand identity, and ease of ownership that automatically makes cars like the M3 and C63 the default choice even if the former is ugly and the latter is a boat with some weird 4 cyl.
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"skin in the game" ? .... truth is, most are leased. There is no skin in the game.
I own the X7 in video its not leased.
And to further expland on this post unlike many people, I have driven almost every BMW including on track over the past 5 years. So its goes behind just casually experiencing these cars, we also drive every other car currently made.

Looks are subjective, period. We say this about Porsche often, they could take a dump on a box and put a Porsche badge on it and people would buy it. Same could be said about many luxo brands.

But forums, namely owners groups are cancer these days because so many people dont know how to seperate themselves from the products they own. Say anything negative about their "car" and its a personal attack on them. Gets old and why I stopped contributing on sites after a while.
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Mark, love the channel. Keep doing what youre doing.

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I own the X7 in video its not leased.
And to further expland on this post unlike many people, I have driven almost every BMW including on track over the past 5 years. So its goes behind just casually experiencing these cars, we also drive every other car currently made.

Looks are subjective, period. We say this about Porsche often, they could take a dump on a box and put a Porsche badge on it and people would buy it. Same could be said about many luxo brands.

But forums, namely owners groups are cancer these days because so many people dont know how to seperate themselves from the products they own. Say anything negative about their "car" and its a personal attack on them. Gets old and why I stopped contributing on sites after a while.
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This is a great review. Agree with everything he’s said about the UI/UX gong show.

I can’t help but think about the long term reliability (post-warranty) and cost to maintain these vehicles given the increasing component complexity.

I’m in the market for a third row SUV now as something for my wife to own long term (>7 years).
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