[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

HK is currently standard on the M60i. It would be great if it becomes standard on the 40i without raising the base price

The info I have is that it will become standard on the new G60 which will be also revealed around 4/2023 (including the reveal of a full EV 5-series "i5") and produced starting 7/2023. That's the only vehicle that has been confirmed to have the HK as a standard. No leaks so far on whether this approach would include other high end models such as the X7 40i or not. The X7s buyers are hardly buying any X7 without an upgraded sound system (HK or B&W) anyway, so it's likely that BMW will adopt the approach of HK being standard also for the X7 while keeping the B&W as an option. Again, no leaks yet on that particular input except for the BMW G60.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by Jennifer

Good! we finally agree that memebrs have a choice!

The post was not about providing useful information, it was about one-sided speculations and rumors on that one that specific feature when no one knows for sure what will happen next year. You may lose more options next year, or there could be ways to add hardware, or there could be a delay!

I see the tone of posts getting better as members highlight that we buy vehicles for a variety of reasons!

No it really isn't one sided speculation. It's reliable based on an official response I received from BMW AND completely consistent with how BMW has behaved in the past. The majority of the modules remain the same throughout the generation of the vehicle and just like in the past a few aren't being upgraded until about 6 months into the generation. They did the same thing with the launch of the G05/G07 in 2019 and are doing it again.

Personally, I'm still buying mine if it ever leaves QC, but it is a public service to let as many people know as possible that the first 6 months of the LCI is missing hardware that will be in the cars produced through 2027. That also isn't speculation. We know for sure that is when the redesign will come out.

[adamjs83]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

BMW has done that in the past with a few models/generations. They add features, hardware upgrades, or so around the mid of the first-year launch of any LCI. Examples include the idrive ID7 "lite" on the G30 when this was added prematurely one some vehicles "a lot of people were disappointed when they figured that out after they got the vehicles". Right now, the only vehicle being produced half cooked "launch version" are the i4 and X7. The 7-series sedan and iX are already getting the complete new hardware and service pack from day-1, and will be getting all the new tech "already compatible" through a software upgrade on 4/2023 all the way until the end of their life cycle. At that time, BMW might release a short announcement of rolling new features/upgrades/hardware to the X7 (they have done that in the past on some vehicles (Search prev examples on G30 and G05 around 2019/2020). When the X7 gets the newer pack, simply, they will continue production as is from that date. If it happens on April 2023, that logically is also a 2023 model but am not sure how they will distinguish it from the "launch version" with the older hardware/tech. That date is also too close to the 2024 BMW formal production date which is around July/August, so we don't know yet.

It's also worth mentioning that April 2023 also is the expected date for us to see the the new X5 LCI. At that time, as far as I know, the X5 will also get those same upgrades features and the newer service pack just like that X7, but from day-1. Luckily, X5 LCI release date was pushed to match exactly when those features are ready, hence I don't expect to see a half-cooked "Launch version" of the X5/G05. That will also mark the release date of Motorway assist which will only be compatible with X7 with the newer service pack/hardware at that time. The X5 will get it from day 1 according to current information. Other tech features and upgrades (like Personal Pilot, etc) will be more of a software update down the road for those vehicles produced post 4/2023. Laser lights are also expected to be back around that time frame. That are a few more features but we'll know more as time passes.

I hope that helps. Am sure you will here from other members too as more information is available; and I'll do the same.

Early 2019 models, before the upgrade had a different name for the driving assistance package than the later 2019-2022.

Early 2019


Later 2019-2022


The price didn't change but the contents of the package did. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what they do sometime in the spring of 2023. This was the only way to know which technology you were getting when both existed on dealer lots.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

Early 2019 models, before the upgrade had a different name for the driving assistance package than the later 2019-2022.

Early 2019


Later 2019-2022


The price didn't change but the contents of the package did. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what they do sometime in the spring of 2023. This was the only way to know which technology you were getting when both existed on dealer lots.

That's good to know!

[x7m60i]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

Early 2019 models, before the upgrade had a different name for the driving assistance package than the later 2019-2022.

Early 2019


Later 2019-2022


The price didn't change but the contents of the package did. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what they do sometime in the spring of 2023. This was the only way to know which technology you were getting when both existed on dealer lots.

They may also slightly increase the price is what I’m guessing. Most of the current driving assistance pro package is costing you 1700 across different models, whereas the one for new 7 series cost 2100 which claims the highway assist features. This would make some sense if better hardware will be used for the highway assist

[Mani59]

Hi all,

Whatever your views, could you please remain on-topic and respectful to each other, please.

Thanks, Mani

[BMW5and7]

Thank you very much Admin! Respect and KUDOS to you!

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

No it really isn't one sided speculation. It's reliable based on an official response I received from BMW AND completely consistent with how BMW has behaved in the past. The majority of the modules remain the same throughout the generation of the vehicle and just like in the past a few aren't being upgraded until about 6 months into the generation. They did the same thing with the launch of the G05/G07 in 2019 and are doing it again.

Personally, I'm still buying mine if it ever leaves QC, but it is a public service to let as many people know as possible that the first 6 months of the LCI is missing hardware that will be in the cars produced through 2027. That also isn't speculation. We know for sure that is when the redesign will come out.

Exactly! I agree, the G05 launch is a perfect example.

[awesoM]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Thank you so much! That's good to know! A while ago...someone posted that it will only work on stop/go traffic on the freeway! I'm happy to hear that you tried it yourself on city streets.

I have tried the 22 in city streets with little issues. I set my speed lower than the speed limit and never to exceed 39. That way it does not try to zoom when the car in front moves.

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by awesoM

I have tried the 22 in city streets with little issues. I set my speed lower than the speed limit and never to exceed 39. That way it does not try to zoom when the car in front moves.

BMW has recently released a new update a few months ago that includes enhancements on drive assist pro features, maneuvering and curves. This update was compatible with all vehicles from 2019 to 2022, and now also the idrive 8 on vehicles produced with the same old service pack / hardware such as i4 and X7. If you have he same software and the most recent on all of them, they all would perform the same. I would say that the recent software update made the drive assist pro to work much better, I have noticed that myself on a number of BMWs. Also, make sure that you have the (Adjust spread distant according to route/situation) turned on; that makes a big difference and it is a feature that was added recently. The only vehicle that will have noticeable difference in drive assist functionality is the the 7-series sedan and i7 as they have the new hardware, and hopefully next will be X7 this spring.

In all cases, the BMW system is a few levels above the game compared to Audi and Mbenz. Perhaps only Tesla recently managed to exceed the performance of BMW system, but I think the new SP and personal pilot coming soon to BMW will takeover Tesla's system once again. The internal beta system is already showing that. Even 5-years ago, the Personal pilot of BMW was doing better than current Tesla system. It will be released one day for sure and BMW had already started to add the equipment needed for that on a few of it's vehicles.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by awesoM

I have tried the 22 in city streets with little issues. I set my speed lower than the speed limit and never to exceed 39. That way it does not try to zoom when the car in front moves.

Thanks. Most of my driving is on surface streets...so I was wondering if I'll be able to use it. I feel much better about it!

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

Thanks. Most of my driving is on surface streets...so I was wondering if I'll be able to use it. I feel much better about it!

For rural and urban roads/streets, you will need the new upgraded hardware which is currently on the 7-series for both US and Germany. As I said, hopefully we'll see it on the X7 by spring around 4/2023. Here is a photo for one slides from an internal presentation.
Traffic lights and stop signs recognition (auto-stops and auto launch) is another feature if you're interested.

[Brigitte]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

For rural and urban roads/streets, you will need the new upgraded hardware which is currently on the 7-series for both US and Germany. As I said, hopefully we'll see it on the X7 by spring around 4/2023. Here is a photo for one slides from an internal presentation.
Traffic lights and stop signs recognition (auto-stops and auto launch) is another feature if you're interested.

I wish BMW would tell us the details of the upgrades they are planning to do in April 2023. It would be fantastic if it would include traffic lights and stop signs recognition! WOW!

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

I wish BMW would tell us the details of the upgrades they are planning to do in April 2023. It would be fantastic if it would include traffic lights and stop signs recognition! WOW!

Well, here you go from another slide. I just can't say more about the X7 specifically, but I can guarantee you yes it is coming and compatible with the new service pack and equipment. Once the X7 gets the new hardware, I don't see why not (it is already confirmed 100% for Germany already on the 7-series).
As far as (you wish BMW would tell us), that will never happen because BMW does not want current potential buyers, or some of them, to stop from considering whatever is available now in case that's something they wish to wait for. They will never mention what current vehicles are missing so nobody thinks or assumes that he’ll be screwed up. Some launch versions can be used as a beta tester which is important for BMW (am not saying that I like or dislike such approach). But to be fair, BMW has done very well in terms of informing clients and sharing info about its upcoming techs such as Personal Pilot, or highway assist, for the past 5-6 years. They just can't release the exact dates or timeline for obvious reasons. It is a marketing approach and I agree with such approach. But again, that's why there are forums like these, you still one way or another get some sort of leaks.

[bimmerdiesel]

I think your titles need to tone down a bit. It might be useful for some but if you have bought new BMWs in past, you would know new things are added every April and Sept. that's a fact. Also the way automated driving is evolving there might be new hardware in 2024.

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by bimmerdiesel

I think your titles need to tone down a bit. It might be useful for some but if you have bought new BMWs in past, you would know new things are added every April and Sept. that's a fact. Also the way automated driving is evolving there might be new hardware in 2024.

No plans or info on any new hardware changes is expected on the 7-series in 2023-2025 at all (software updates? Yes, but not the hardware). The only hardware upgrade that is planned on an existing generation in the near term is for the X7 (and potentially i4). April and September/November are usually software tech related dates, rarely hardware.

[bimmerdiesel]

It's not as rare as you think it is. I know based on my own cars.

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by bimmerdiesel

It's not as rare as you think it is. I know based on my own cars.

Yes, not very rare and happened in the past, but in the context of the 7-series and the X7, the picture is more clear this time internally. This new hardware will last a good 5 years at least just like SP18 and the existing module on the X7 pre lci and 2023 launch lci.

[rjabend]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

No plans or info on any new hardware changes is expected on the 7-series in 2023-2025 at all (software updates? Yes, but not the hardware). The only hardware upgrade that is planned on an existing generation in the near term is for the X7 (and potentially i4). April and September/November are usually software tech related dates, rarely hardware.

Very informative! Thanks.

[bimmerdiesel]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

Yes, not very rare and happened in the past, but in the context of the 7-series and the X7, the picture is more clear this time internally. This new hardware will last a good 5 years at least just like SP18 and the existing module on the X7 pre lci and 2023 launch lci.

Two years tops unless BMW wants to be outdated. Tesla changes it ever 15-18months and other manufacturers have to keep up. Gone are the days of 5yrs core hardware refresh specially on 7 series

[Jennifer]

Exactly!

It is funny they first accept your point and then repeat themselves!

The technology in 2023, if it really will come in 2023, and if BMW will not drop other options year after year, will be obsolete by 2025-2026, and These are big ifs and they intentionally ignore all of them!

They now even claim it will be only software updates until 2028 with only $400 extra cost! Even if you accept all these stories, this is not just about internal BMW trends, the competition forces the automakers to change and adopt more quickly! and if they don't keep up at that pace, that means that option is not that critical for customers!

[Jennifer]

Originally Posted by adamjs83

No it really isn't one sided speculation. It's reliable based on an official response I received from BMW AND completely consistent with how BMW has behaved in the past. The majority of the modules remain the same throughout the generation of the vehicle and just like in the past a few aren't being upgraded until about 6 months into the generation. They did the same thing with the launch of the G05/G07 in 2019 and are doing it again.

Personally, I'm still buying mine if it ever leaves QC, but it is a public service to let as many people know as possible that the first 6 months of the LCI is missing hardware that will be in the cars produced through 2027. That also isn't speculation. We know for sure that is when the redesign will come out.

Honestly, I can't trust your timeline and your note in general. Here is why! If I wait one more year to get the so-called "fully cooked" package, can you assure us BMW will not drop other packages? The supply chain shortage will not fade away in 2023, and if they decide to drop packages year after year, then what you or their internal source can do?! Can you save those packages for us?!

People buy vehicles for a variety of reasons, and it is not just about that one feature you or I are obsessed with at one certain time!

It is interesting that you ignore everyone else arguments, but you yourself want to buy this half-cooked SUV!