[crackerjack15]

Originally Posted by mitch57

Speak with your voice and your wallet. Spread the word far and wide. When BMW sales slump because of frustrated buyers maybe the bean counters at BMW will wake up and smell the coffee.

Look what happened when BMW tried to implement an $18.00 per month subscription fee for heated seats. https://www.businessinsider.com/bmw-...ar-2023-9?op=1

And I am. I told them that after two X5's and now three X7's I will not purchase another one that the start stop cannot be disabled in regular driving mode.

Plus, I am going to sell this one. I'm waiting for dealer to get back to me on a price.

I may put it for sale in the classifieds too, but it's easier to take to a dealer and walk out.

[streborx]

Originally Posted by bagekko

I can't remember if its Fed or many states created a law, which makes idling in a vehicle against the law. Surely EU likely has it, so the cars software is designed to comply with the law. It may be mandated in EU the cars have it, so BMW just implemented it worldwide. Prefer less versions of things for quality....

Not sure if simply sitting in a car while it's idling is illegal, but "puffing" is illegal in many municipalities. This is letting your car warm up with nobody in the car, while the car is unlocked. A friend had her car stolen from her driveway by letting it warm up while she was having a second cup of coffee.

Back in the 70's when the oil embargo occurred (and gasoline was 22 cents a gallon) prices jumped to 50 cents a gallon. Lines at fuel stations were common, and many people began shutting off their cars at red lights, believing they were going to save fuel. Batteries and starters weren't up to the task, and many cars had to be pushed through intersections to clear traffic. Many cities made this practice of shutting off your car illegal. Times change.

[JJacksonIII]

Originally Posted by streborx

Not sure if simply sitting in a car while it's idling is illegal, but "puffing" is illegal in many municipalities. This is letting your car warm up with nobody in the car, while the car is unlocked. A friend had her car stolen from her driveway by letting it warm up while she was having a second cup of coffee.

Back in the 70's when the oil embargo occurred (and gasoline was 22 cents a gallon) prices jumped to 50 cents a gallon. Lines at fuel stations were common, and many people began shutting off their cars at red lights, believing they were going to save fuel. Batteries and starters weren't up to the task, and many cars had to be pushed through intersections to clear traffic. Many cities made this practice of shutting off your car illegal. Times change.

I remember having to get out at the four way intersections when there was a lot of horse and buggy traffic and having to hand crank start my Ford Model T. Pain in the ass, but I did get my mileage up to about 15 miles per gal (if I didn't exceed 15 mph).

[Caveno]

Originally Posted by bagekko

I can't remember if its Fed or many states created a law, which makes idling in a vehicle against the law. Surely EU likely has it, so the cars software is designed to comply with the law. It may be mandated in EU the cars have it, so BMW just implemented it worldwide. Prefer less versions of things for quality....

It’s federal. It started in the 70s after the oil embargo, this is when CAFE standards were formed (corporate average fuel economy).

In 2011 Obama (change you can believe in!) forced the automakers to agree to these silly unreasonable fuel standards in exchange for large bailouts. If automakers fail to reach certain fuel economy requirements they have to buy carbon credits from automakers who do meet the CAFE standards.

The CAFE standards are based on the average fuel economy of the cars they sell. So take GM, they sell the Chevy spark and Cadillac Escalade. Obviously the Escalade uses a heck of a lot more fuel than the spark so as a result GM makes fewer Escalades to avoid paying for carbon credits. Hence why it’s so difficult to buy an Escalade and typically go for well above MSRP.

BMW is known to sell high performance cars and are forced to do whatever it takes to lower the fuel economy. Let’s face it if they put a 4cyl in the 7 series we wouldn’t buy it. I certainly wouldn’t.

So that’s the reason for the big electric push, because no way they can meet the CAFE standards if 100% of the fleet is ICE.

The biggest seller of these credits is Tesla and the rest of the automakers are forced to hand over Tesla billions. Musk knew this and knows we are subsidizing his customers.

What’s even stupider, is the ASS has very little effect on fuel economy in real world driving but that doesn’t matter. Auto makers make cars to pass the government tests. These batteries are very heavy and when you’re cruising on the highway the extra weight increases fuel consumption.

I’m not against the MH system - the efficient dynamics system is a good system and regen braking is also pretty good and seamless to the driver. The ASS is my big concern and really reduces drive quality. I’m still not sure what the reason is why BMW can’t make a workaround via coding but I’m sure there is a lot of back and forth between government bureaucratics and BMW hence why it’s disabled.

[MystroX5]

The 2024 330 has a ASS off button.

[NOVA99]

I simply don’t understand the direction or the “why”? My 21’ GLS580 is a 48V system and has an ASS off button and I push that button to turn the stupid shit off every time. I am in the market for a 24 580 or 24 M60i and if this cannot be disabled in the bimmer with a simple button I am out on the M60i. Glad I read through this post…Yikes what a bunch of garbage. 500HP V8 buyers don’t give a crap about MPG or trying to save 2 cents a week because the car shuts off at the lights.

[Wiedzmin]

Has anyone tried the hood-pop workaround? So: you start the car, you open and close the hood and you drive. Won't this deactivate the ASS? If yes, someone has to build an electronic device, which will mimic the hood opening and closing a second after startup and we have got a workaround. My 2024 hasn't arrived yet, so I can't test it.

[crackerjack15]

Originally Posted by Wiedzmin

Has anyone tried the hood-pop workaround? So: you start the car, you open and close the hood and you drive. Won't this deactivate the ASS? If yes, someone has to build an electronic device, which will mimic the hood opening and closing a second after startup and we have got a workaround. My 2024 hasn't arrived yet, so I can't test it.

Tried it. Doesn't work.

[streborx]

The hood-up parameter in the ASS function is presumably meant to allow a service tech to work on a running engine. Configuring the sensor to believe the hood is always up might disable ASS, but I think presents a dash light warning indicator and maybe an audible warning also, together likely more annoying than ASS.

[Bimmerfun82]

All you have to do is toggle this thing to S to defeat ASS.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by crackerjack15

This shit is ridiculous! Today is 96 degrees and when I come to a stop its blowing warm air until it restarts. Yes, sometimes I click the shifter into Sport mode and that keeps it running, but I don't want to drive normally in sport, holding revs and downshifting aggressively as I come to a stop. This isn't luxury. The worst is when your slowing to turn, but not stop, it shuts off, then comes back on and accelerates aggressively. I'm seriously considering selling. It pisses me off that much. Anyone want a 2024 M60i?

Is there a Sport Individual setting? If so, set it to comfort steering/suspension, comfort transmission, and sport (not sport plus) engine. This will avoid ASS but will essentially drive like comfort. I do this in my 2021 40i. In my 2020 M550 I am luckily able to code it off permanently.

If I had the budget, I’d gladly buy it off you! Haha

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by crackerjack15

That doesn't work anymore on the Lci.

Even if you leave the engine in sport mode? If the transmission is in comfort, it won’t hold gears and revs or shift hard. Engine in sport is what turns off ASS. But without the sport transmission setting, all you get is more throttle response but no sport shifting. So it’s a nice ride. I prefer it actually.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by SMKS

There's no way in hell get its so hot lol but all jokes aside no way the freon can warm up in 45 seconds. I don't care if it's 125 degrees outside. That sounds like an issue

When it’s 95+ degrees outside, yes it does.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Caveno

I hate the auto start stop. My wife has it on her x7 and I ordered a 24 760i and have anxiety thinking about it shutting off in the middle of the road. Unfortunately almost all cars do this now but also almost all cars you can code it off but not bmw.

It’s ridiculous I agree and have dealt with warm air blowing when the engine shuts off. Like I’m buying a 500+ horsepower car and care about fuel economy.

I’m thinking of canceling my order and just getting a gmc Yukon hd with a giant diesel engine instead….I don’t want to deal with auto start stop.

I like the Yukon but just FYI, the deisel is slow. Not sure you’ll like it if 760 and M60i is your thing. You could get the 6.2 V8 and have more power.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

The ride dynamics and height is connected to a specific drive mode along with many other variables like shift points for a smoother or sporty ride. Comfort or Adaptive is much more desirable for long distance cruising or on rougher roads around town. There is a reason ASS could be deactivate with a button pre LCI. This is one more (important) item BMW needlessly took away on the LCI. No one likes or prefers to drive with Auto Start Stop on. The issue of BMW imposing their will on this matter could easily be a dealbreaker.

I doubt BMW actually gives a shit if we use ASS. I think they’re appeasing the regulators. I read that idle emissions are part of the testing they have to do. Idle for something absurd like 20 minutes. ASS takes care of that. Useless in real driving. Saves no fuel or emissions.

We can hate on designs and stuff but companies that want to make money don’t just inconvenience customers for the hell of it.

[crackerjack15]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Is there a Sport Individual setting? If so, set it to comfort steering/suspension, comfort transmission, and sport (not sport plus) engine. This will avoid ASS but will essentially drive like comfort. I do this in my 2021 40i. In my 2020 M550 I am luckily able to code it off permanently.

If I had the budget, I’d gladly buy it off you! Haha

Engine in sport is not like comfort. It holds revs and downshifts aggressively, which I don't mind by myself but when family is in the car it sucks.

Also, when trying to pull into a parking space and then the f'ing thing shuts off and I want to move another foot then it restarts and Jerks forward... I could literally floor it into the wall it pisses me off that much.

The traction off trick works fine and without finding that i would have sold the car. And to all the people saying, omg I wouldn't drive with the traction control off. Grow up. You don't need traction control. Learn to drive.

[crackerjack15]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Even if you leave the engine in sport mode? If the transmission is in comfort, it won’t hold gears and revs or shift hard. Engine in sport is what turns off ASS. But without the sport transmission setting, all you get is more throttle response but no sport shifting. So it’s a nice ride. I prefer it actually.

Transmission in sport changes how aggressively it shifts, not at what rpm it shifts at.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by crackerjack15

Engine in sport is not like comfort. It holds revs and downshifts aggressively, which I don't mind by myself but when family is in the car it sucks.

Also, when trying to pull into a parking space and then the f'ing thing shuts off and I want to move another foot then it restarts and Jerks forward... I could literally floor it into the wall it pisses me off that much.

The traction off trick works fine and without finding that i would have sold the car. And to all the people saying, omg I wouldn't drive with the traction control off. Grow up. You don't need traction control. Learn to drive.

Lol I hear you. I don’t have an M50 or M60. Ours is 2021 40i. I don’t get the high revs unless the transmission is in sport but maybe that’s required for LCI to turn off ASS. I wouldn’t have thought that and didn’t realize. So apologies if I sounded like a dick.

I HATE when that thing turns off when I’m parking. I know how you feel. Like, wtf??? They could at least code it to not engage when the parking cameras are being used or something.

My 2020 M550 drives pretty comfortably in sport engine with comfort transmission selected. So I just assumed yours would.

I love my M550 but I’ll probably get another big GM when I’m done with it. Or eventually I’ll keep the M550 if I have it long enough without issues and get a big GM to drive daily. I’m with you, the Denali is nice. Too bad their transmissions suck. But I guess none are perfect!

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by crackerjack15

Transmission in sport changes how aggressively it shifts, not at what rpm it shifts at.

Gotcha - I was basing off my experience with a pre LCI 40i and a 2020 M550.

Not gonna lie, the feedback on this forum has erased any LCI envy I thought of having with the X7. I chose to buy a pre-LCI M550 also, while I could still find one with low miles. The 2020 was pre LCI in almost every respect, except it got the updated 523 hp V8.

[Caveno]

Sport mode with everything in comfort except DSC does the trick.

Between being in sport with with dsc off and shifting the car in manual trans mode you can defeat ASS. However it still sucks, we need to come up with a real work around

Apparently you can sign some waiver and the dealer can shut off ASS but I haven’t been successful yet. My dealer said they cannot do it but I emailed BMW and awaiting a response.

[MC113]

Just circling back/cross posting from my thread on this topic over on the X5 forum!

Point of clarification I just learned earlier today: when you press "DSC OFF" - then select "Traction" from the menu which opens - you are turning ON Traction Mode. So turning ON Traction Mode is actually the workaround for deactivating auto start/stop in the Comfort Drive Mode. I had my car in service for something unrelated and my Service Advisor clarified what the "Traction" setting was when you first press the "DSC Off" button. This video does a great job explaining what Traction Mode actually is and why (implicitly) it would make sense that it would deactivate auto start/stop:

Hope this helps!

[Wiedzmin]

So... still no workaround? I don't get it. You can unlock the ECU, you can tune it to 620HP with Dahle chiptuning, but you can't disable this pain in the ASS? There must be some workaround other than Traction/DSC OFF.