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      05-21-2024, 11:57 PM   #243
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Thank you for the info. That is a good breakdown. I had a 2022 X7 and don’t remember it being bad. This 2024 is bad. You sweat in the car for a good 10-15 mins before finally catches up. It sounds like the X5/X6 is better but maybe only because it’s smaller and less to cool. This reminds me of my first Model X seater. The AC was absolutely awful. I don’t know what to do at this point or what car to get.

See this is the dilemma I am currently in. It really sucks to have to consider an upgrade on my 2023 because the AC is horrendous. And even if I go to a 2025, the AC will just be "ok" at best. And I am going to think it's "ok" because I am coming from "horrendous". If I spend 100k I shouldn't have substandard AC on what should be a "luxury" SUV. There is no luxury in sweating it out.

Plus I am on a lease and I already paid over 30k in lease payments. The idea of having to "start over" on a 100k SUV doesn't sit well with me, especially when the AC on the newer model is still marginal at best.

It makes me want to just dump this and go with another brand. I currently have a case open with BMW because I am not happy, waiting to hear back from them on any options. This is my first BMW and while this first experience has not been good, BMW does do a lot of things right. I love the look of the X7 (interior/exterior). I love the digital key feature and their iPhone app is great. I especially love having a touch screen navigation WITH a working jog wheel (I use the jog wheel 90% of the time). I am not thrilled with Audi going all touch screens and removing their jog wheels. The drivers assist package works well (although I would have liked if I got highway assist, and WTH was BMW thinking by burying the adaptive cruise distance setting in the iDrive touch menus?)

Is there a comparable SUV that has drivers assist pro equivalent (autonomous driving would be a plus), an actual jog wheel for navigation/carplay, and a digital key while looking good and has working AC? I don't even need a 7 seater, but I do need a larger 5 seater.
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I don't even need a 7 seater, but I do need a larger 5 seater.
I'm not as active in the X5 threads but I haven't seen as many AC complaints as in the X7 threads. Is the X5 too "small"?

If you really need a larger 5-seater, you could always go for the CX70, which is just a CX90 w/o the 3rd row!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...x-70-vs-cx-90/
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I'm not as active in the X5 threads but I haven't seen as many AC complaints as in the X7 threads. Is the X5 too "small"?

If you really need a larger 5-seater, you could always go for the CX70, which is just a CX90 w/o the 3rd row!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...x-70-vs-cx-90/
The CX 90 is actually on my shortlist. I might also look at the XT6. Both seem like such a downgrade from the BMW, but they at least both have a downgraded price.

It’s a shame my wife thinks the X5 is too small. She doesn’t like the legroom in the front and if we push the seat too far back, it impedes on our son, I really like the X5 loaner that I had and I can imagine how much of a fun ride The M 60 would’ve been. I have a lot more confidence in the AC on the X5 then I do on the X7.

At this point, I wish BMW would just trade in my car and give me a 2024 model even if it’s CPO. The problem with that is it’s gonna be very hard to find one that is fully loaded with all the options because that’s what I have in mine. The way the AC is on the 2023, BMW should be buying this car back. It’s that bad and it’s not fair to me as a customer that I would have to spend a ton more money to upgrade based on what I have already put into this car.
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The CX 90 is actually on my shortlist. I might also look at the XT6. Both seem like such a downgrade from the BMW, but they at least both have a downgraded price.

It’s a shame my wife thinks the X5 is too small. She doesn’t like the legroom in the front and if we push the seat too far back, it impedes on our son, I really like the X5 loaner that I had and I can imagine how much of a fun ride The M 60 would’ve been. I have a lot more confidence in the AC on the X5 then I do on the X7.

At this point, I wish BMW would just trade in my car and give me a 2024 model even if it’s CPO. The problem with that is it’s gonna be very hard to find one that is fully loaded with all the options because that’s what I have in mine. The way the AC is on the 2023, BMW should be buying this car back. It’s that bad and it’s not fair to me as a customer that I would have to spend a ton more money to upgrade based on what I have already put into this car.
Assuming you have remote start, have you ever had your car "cool down" for a good 10-15 min before opening the door and entering? Make sure you've accepted the disclaimer on the app about the engine running or else your remote starts will just be fan circulation on battery alone (no compressor w/o the engine running)!

The CX90 is a good comp for the X7 but has different advantages w/the 3rd row up/down. With the 3rd row down, the X7 has more cargo room at 48.6 vs 40 ft3. With the 3rd row up, the cargo advantage reverses to the CX90 at 14.9 vs 12.8 ft3. For this reason, I've always felt the X7 had more in common with the Q7 than the GLS as a 3-row SUV.

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My AC in the 2020 X7M50i has been excellent in volume of air and air temp. So cold even in the 90’s I run the vent temp between mid and all cold.

Does the LCI not perform well because of the smaller vents and in-tern have too low of air circulation volume to the size of the cabin??
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My AC in the 2020 X7M50i has been excellent in volume of air and air temp. So cold even in the 90’s I run the vent temp between mid and all cold.

Does the LCI not perform well because of the smaller vents and in-tern have too low of air circulation volume to the size of the cabin??
I think the main issue with LCI are the super tiny blade like front center vents. The surface area of blowing air through is probably 30% of the pre-lci. The tiny blades would also create more noise for air to pass through. Such a stupid design by bmw. Btw it is not just X7/x5, the new 7 series and 5 series all have the same silly dash air vent design
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Assuming you have remote start, have you ever had your car "cool down" for a good 10-15 min before opening the door and entering? Make sure you've accepted the disclaimer on the app about the engine running or else your remote starts will just be fan circulation on battery alone (no compressor w/o the engine running)!

The CX90 is a good comp for the X7 but has different advantages w/the 3rd row up/down. With the 3rd row down, the X7 has more cargo room at 48.6 vs 40 ft3. With the 3rd row up, the cargo advantage reverses to the CX90 at 14.9 vs 12.8 ft3. For this reason, I've always felt the X7 had more in common with the Q7 than the GLS as a 3-row SUV.
I try to do this as much as I can because it’s miserable if you don’t. There are times where I don’t have time or don’t think about it because I’m busy. I hate to think at this point I’ll have to get a Denali because of the AC? I had dinner with a buddy last night and he said his new Range Rover AC was just like mine. It’s unbelievable.
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I think the main issue with LCI are the super tiny blade like front center vents. The surface area of blowing air through is probably 30% of the pre-lci. The tiny blades would also create more noise for air to pass through. Such a stupid design by bmw. Btw it is not just X7/x5, the new 7 series and 5 series all have the same silly dash air vent design
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Assuming you have remote start, have you ever had your car "cool down" for a good 10-15 min before opening the door and entering? Make sure you've accepted the disclaimer on the app about the engine running or else your remote starts will just be fan circulation on battery alone (no compressor w/o the engine running)!

If I am stuck keeping the X7 until the lease ends then I guess I will be doing plenty of remote starts. The other issue though is even if I remote start it takes FOREVER to properly cool down this cabin with the lack of proper airflow, even when the car is actually running. I posted a few pages back that it took over 30 minutes to get the inside cabin temp from 115 degrees down to 79. 79 degrees is still pretty hot (especially with the lack of cold air hitting your body), and this was on a temperate 72 degree day. It's even worse on the hotter 80/90 degree days.
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I think the main issue with LCI are the super tiny blade like front center vents. The surface area of blowing air through is probably 30% of the pre-lci. The tiny blades would also create more noise for air to pass through. Such a stupid design by bmw. Btw it is not just X7/x5, the new 7 series and 5 series all have the same silly dash air vent design

The point regarding the thin air vents has merit, however on the X5 you would be surprised how much air comes out of the thin center vents when you put the AC on full blast. There is something about the X7 design (specifically the 2023 model) that BMW royally effed up.
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The point regarding the thin air vents has merit, however on the X5 you would be surprised how much air comes out of the thin center vents when you put the AC on full blast. There is something about the X7 design (specifically the 2023 model) that BMW royally effed up.
I had 2024 X5 and now have 2025 X7. I don't notice any difference in the amount of air coming out of those vents between X5 vs X7. Maybe the 2023 model had some issues being the first year LCI.
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I had 2024 X5 and now have 2025 X7. I don't notice any difference in the amount of air coming out of those vents between X5 vs X7. Maybe the 2023 model had some issues being the first year LCI.

Yes I can agree with this, because you are referring to the 2024 X7. The 2023 X7 seems to be a major lemon and BMW has been changing out a lot of the internals of the LCI X7 starting in 2024.
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Mines a 24 and sucks. Maybe I need to get a 25. Big risk though.
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Yes I can agree with this, because you are referring to the 2024 X7. The 2023 X7 seems to be a major lemon and BMW has been changing out a lot of the internals of the LCI X7 starting in 2024.
My wife drives a 2023 40i. August 2022 Build. We have no problem with the AC here in So Cal. No problems ever with this X7. 25,000 miles now. Kids always cool or they would let us know. We have a neighbor who drives a 2024 X7 and she said hers is fine as well. Agree the air flow doesn't blast in your face and it's a bit louder so I turn up the music when I'm alone in her car. I was at the dealer this morning ordering a part and I had the parts guy check the AC parts on the 2023 and 2025 X7. He had to pull the 2025 from another database because it's so new. All the parts we checked are the same part numbers, compressor, valves. ducts etc...
I asked my service advisor who I have known for years if LCI X7 owners were complaining about the AC and he said no.
The only big change from the 23's to the 24's is the new iDrive head unit
Maybe it's the humidity you have out there? we are in a dry climate here, or you may have another issue.
Here are my settings we used on a 102 degree day last summer that worked perfect, curious if yours are similar.
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Are the X7s made in different locations? Maybe the AC lottery has something to do with where it's built?
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Are the X7s made in different locations? Maybe the AC lottery has something to do with where it's built?
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I think the main issue with LCI are the super tiny blade like front center vents. The surface area of blowing air through is probably 30% of the pre-lci. The tiny blades would also create more noise for air to pass through. Such a stupid design by bmw. Btw it is not just X7/x5, the new 7 series and 5 series all have the same silly dash air vent design

Has the other vents under seats, door pillars and rear roof vents changed as well??
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No issues with mine either. I do slide the temp bar below over to the colder setting and never have an issue.

I will say when coming to a stop the AC does fade considerably when the engine stops so if your driving in a lot of stop and go traffic I can see why this may be an issue. In that case just hit MAX AC and the engine won't shut off. Or go into sport mode.
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No issues with mine either. I do slide the temp bar below over to the colder setting and never have an issue.

I will say when coming to a stop the AC does fade considerably when the engine stops so if your driving in a lot of stop and go traffic I can see why this may be an issue. In that case just hit MAX AC and the engine won't shut off. Or go into sport mode.
Thanks! Didn't know that max air kept the engine on.
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I have a 23 lci.

I have no problems. I used to drive ford expeditions for 20 yrs and the first thing I do when I get in a hot car is roll all windows down and blast ac. I have been using auto to cool down and then switch to normal. When we get in and expect the vehicle to cool 130 degree plus hot air it will take a while. Add in the start/stop and we have complaints. I normally will keep the engine running by barely stepping on brakes or if it does shut off I move an inch and engine starts up again at lights.

I do have ac all 3 rows so third row runs all the time middle fan speeds. I feel this help circulates air and cools the air down.

Maybe what I do might help others
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I think the main issue with LCI are the super tiny blade like front center vents. The surface area of blowing air through is probably 30% of the pre-lci. The tiny blades would also create more noise for air to pass through. Such a stupid design by bmw. Btw it is not just X7/x5, the new 7 series and 5 series all have the same silly dash air vent design
Naw, last fall I measured the air temp coming out of my vents, and it was surprisingly hot even at max AC (pix might even be upthread)
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No issues with mine either. I do slide the temp bar below over to the colder setting and never have an issue.

I will say when coming to a stop the AC does fade considerably when the engine stops so if your driving in a lot of stop and go traffic I can see why this may be an issue. In that case just hit MAX AC and the engine won't shut off. Or go into sport mode.
Thanks for this, I missed these individual settings for A/C which I have now moved over to the coolest settings so that I get colder air through the vents than before
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