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      11-30-2021, 04:29 PM   #243
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One is a Toyota RAV-4 and the other is the BMW Concept XM.

We can just skip reasoning with the designers at this point. Can we schedule an intervention with the board of directors? They are the culprits that approved this bullshit.
The design may be polarizing, but it looks nothing like a RAV4 (or any other SUV on the market, for that matter).

A Urus looks more like a RAV4 than this car based on that pic.
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Just wondering what Citroën things of this, they have a model called XM already.
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Just wondering what Citroën things of this, they have a model called XM already.
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BMW’s use of the XM name is the result of constructive dialogue between Citroën and BMW, so it’s been well discussed and considered. Effectively it’s the result of a ‘gentlemen agreement’ reflecting Citroën’s introduction of a new model combining an X and a number, namely C5 X (think BMW X5), and BMW’s desire to associate their X name with their Motorsport universe, bearing the famous M signature. Citroën keeps the right to use X in names such as CX, AX, ZX, Xantia, Xsara…and XM.
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It is an absolutely annoying phenomenon that started way back with, "Merry Christmas" and the Pledge of Allegiance's "….One nation, under God, indivisible and with Liberty…." statement. It has morphed into everything offending everybody. You can't even state that men are biologically different than women these days (…e.g…a scientific fact) without offending someone, but in the same breath they'll tell you to "follow the science" about other things.
I don't see the problem, as long as we all just ventilate our sentiments about the subject. The issue arises when poster X is belittling poster Y because of his preferences. I personaly believe it's perfectly GOOD news that there are posters absolutely digging this car! I'am just not one of them.

The "frustration" I feel and I admit, is based on former statements of Dukec and Van Hooydonck wrt the G8x grill, like: "we are fine with just 20% endorsing it" or "we don't do car clinics since the FB is crap anyway". So BMW just admits that they don't care what we think. I had the impression in the past they did.

I can follow your reasoning, this is not a car for the masses, and seen the specific high end target group, it will most probably sell beyond expectations! It certainly makes a visual statement and it will be packed with technology. When you search for something different, this is certainly candidate!
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BMW is doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Setting up to make millions/billions for their next "BMW" generation. I'm sure our grand and great grandfather's would look at the F06 M6 or F86 X6M with the same confusion, but look how great they sold and how iconic they are. They (BMW) aren't making cars for us anymore they are making cars for the future us and our children who are into the looks and styles that the new cars come with. I take my hat off to BMW for always leading the charge for innovation and technology as well as breathtaking designs no matter what our personal opinion of them are.
That's all well and good except the "future us" are still……. us, and we all (generally) think that new BMW's look shite, I for one cannot justify buying one and our children A) aren't old enough to buy one, B) can't afford one and C) don't care about cars in the same way we do.

Compared with e46, e90, F36 these were beautiful evolutionary cars with a design ethos and a theme or themes that aided how those cars DROVE, BMWs were beautiful AND great to drive. Such a shame
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Good luck. Your money. I'd rather drive a Kia or Hyundai than that !!
What a troll-y comment. Even if I hated the design, the design is not the only reason I buy a car, I'd still buy this for the tech, performance, and the way it would drive. This car will be 750+ HP and it will most probably the best driving SUV to buy. Design isn't everything, being stuck in toxic hate for something regarding the design and ignoring everything else, isn't normal. I mean, if you only care about design, why BMW anyway? They're never been the prettiest cars in the world.
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That's all well and good except the "future us" are still……. us, and we all (generally) think that new BMW's look shite, I for one cannot justify buying one and our children A) aren't old enough to buy one, B) can't afford one and C) don't care about cars in the same way we do.

Compared with e46, e90, F36 these were beautiful evolutionary cars with a design ethos and a theme or themes that aided how those cars DROVE, BMWs were beautiful AND great to drive. Such a shame
Yeah, but a little nuance anyway. The future buyer will not be me, since this is beyond my paycheck anyway. I expect a +200k€ price tag on this beast and I already have to stretch my lease budget to get me into a 60k€ X3.

When you go this high in the market, design can be provocative and disruptive. Those buyers probably won't appreciate too much associations with the lesser BMWs and their heritage?
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and we all (generally) think that new BMW's look shite,
I disagree. If you look at Facebook, instagram accounts of BMW where this car was shared, way more people liked it or loved it than dislike or 'laugh', but then when you look at the comments section, you only see hate. Haters are louder and definitely more expressive.

Also they're usually shallow, childish, and toxic. Instead of saying, "it's not for me, I'll pass", you see a bunch of self-centered assumptions, insults on people who like it, attacking designers and calling them to be fired (because they're design experts), attacking BMW and suggesting "they lost it what they were thinking" (They're also BMW and business experts), weird inaccurate comparisons with ugly cars, (Like RAV 4 here, which looks NOTHING like this car), all under the a assumption that their opinion is the only true opinion and that you can only be an idiot to not agree with them. This is a mental condition that Internet gave us, unfortunately.
Those who are positive on the other hand, are timid against this hate, they don't want to be involved. What you usually hear from them, are some 1-2 sentences like: "I don't know I kinda like it, what's up with all the hate" sounding almost like they're in doubt with themselves, after seeing the flood of hate and weird attacks.
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Bring Bangle back..
I wouldn't. The E65/63 and a bit less the E60 where all highly controversial also. It's the generations before Bangle, e26/28/38/39 etc that where instant beauties and still are. At least to many of us.
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It’s polarizing….which is the point. And while I’m not 100% bought in it’s clear why the designers felt like they needed to go in this direction.

Cars are about to become indistinguishable gigantic skateboards. The days of engineers pushing inline 6s to their brink and cranking out physics altering booming V8s are almost over. That differentiator is pretty much gone. Battery tech is going to even the playing field. And no amount of journalists marveling at how a Taycan ‘feels like a Porsche’ is going to change that.

Hyundai can crank out a 1000HP 0-60 in 3 seconds electric sports car without needing the hundreds of years of brand pedigree.

You’re looking at the differentiator right here. BMWs Visual design and engineering resources to push and pull and bend materials to their brink on full display. And technology sealesseLy integrated.

Apple is confident they can bring a car to the market for the exact reasons I stated above.

This is the future. If you don’t like it go buy a e92 or a e39. Or maybe grab a competitors car while you still can. Because soon they are all going to go in this direction.

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BMW is doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. Setting up to make millions/billions for their next "BMW" generation. I'm sure our grand and great grandfather's would look at the F06 M6 or F86 X6M with the same confusion, but look how great they sold and how iconic they are. They (BMW) aren't making cars for us anymore they are making cars for the future us and our children who are into the looks and styles that the new cars come with. I take my hat off to BMW for always leading the charge for innovation and technology as well as breathtaking designs no matter what our personal opinion of them are.
That's all well and good except the "future us" are still……. us, and we all (generally) think that new BMW's look shite, I for one cannot justify buying one and our children A) aren't old enough to buy one, B) can't afford one and C) don't care about cars in the same way we do.

Compared with e46, e90, F36 these were beautiful evolutionary cars with a design ethos and a theme or themes that aided how those cars DROVE, BMWs were beautiful AND great to drive. Such a shame
That's understandable and also personal opinion just like 99% of everything really is nothing but personal opinion and I respect yours, but I meant "future us" as in car guys in the future not next year. BMW is a brand that will be here well after your children's great-grandchildren leaves this Earth so I'm sure they know what they are doing and have been doing it with airplanes well before our grandparents were born.The best thing about watching someone do something is the sitting back and watching part.
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They would all be hated if they were released now. Probably by a different crowd.
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They would all be hated if they were released now. Probably by a different crowd.
I believe you underestimate the momentum BMW was able to build then with those designs. I literally never talked to anybody NOT entirely loving these designs back then (people between 40 and 60 that is). It was so massive that still today many of them are still going weak on encounters. I doubt that for instance a G30 will have the same effect for so many years to come.
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Good luck. Your money. I'd rather drive a Kia or Hyundai than that !!
What a troll-y comment. Even if I hated the design, the design is not the only reason I buy a car, I'd still buy this for the tech, performance, and the way it would drive. This car will be 750+ HP and it will most probably the best driving SUV to buy. Design isn't everything, being stuck in toxic hate for something regarding the design and ignoring everything else, isn't normal. I mean, if you only care about design, why BMW anyway? They're never been the prettiest cars in the world.
There are very few "pretty" cars anymore, (basically just Ferrari) people can dislike this and not be called toxic haters. It is fine that you like it, great, I highly dislike this concept, but will reserve final judgement for the production model. If it looks like this, I will take my money elsewhere, and yes that will be purely based on the looks, if BMW ends up with a sales flop, they will change styling direction.
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Good luck. Your money. I'd rather drive a Kia or Hyundai than that !!
What a troll-y comment. Even if I hated the design, the design is not the only reason I buy a car, I'd still buy this for the tech, performance, and the way it would drive. This car will be 750+ HP and it will most probably the best driving SUV to buy. Design isn't everything, being stuck in toxic hate for something regarding the design and ignoring everything else, isn't normal. I mean, if you only care about design, why BMW anyway? They're never been the prettiest cars in the world.
Design is where it starts, let me elaborate.
Back in the 90's when I was a kid, BMW had some really beautiful cars on the road like the e34 and the e39. These two cars made me a die hard BMW fan. I loved the way they looked and they made me dream of the day when I would own a BMW. I had posters of these cars in my room and it wasn't because they were engineered especially well, it was all about the design. A well built car is not what comes to mind when you feel passionate about cars. Toyota have best built cars in the world and they will last for a lifetime, nothing you can say about a bimmer, that doesn't make us enthusiastic about toyota, does it?
I feel sad for kids who will grow up to recent BMW design.
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Why BMW anyway? They've never been the prettiest cars in the world.






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Why BMW anyway? They've never been the prettiest cars in the world.






What a lineup.
That 7-series was a masterpiece in design! The art of combining elegance with sporty athletic attributes.
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Lol im loving all the 'haters gon hate' comments, are you ppl 13 yr old girls or something??

You put an aardvark in front of us and expect us to love it like a unicorn?

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Has anyone seen a pic of the XM with headlights on?
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So I don't like this much at all and I also don't like the G80, but other than those (ohh and the first gen X3 was ugly) I like the design of every other BMW - even the i3 which I know is very polarizing

However, the wife is from Iran and she likes the X4, X6, G80 and this new XM. She gets excited whenever we see a Velar, X6 and other similar SUVs that I suspect the majority of people here would dislike.

We need to get a new car for her soon and I want to buy her a G31 540i or G21 340i. However all that she wants is an X3/4/5/6 and now THIS THING. Even though I don't understand this it seems that some people will just like this sort of thing as the newest and most unique thing out there.

FWIW she has a manual at the moment and is looking to get a Triumph Rocket 3 soon. She also loved getting the Lego Chiron as a present so it isn't that she isn't interested in cars at all but she likes these somewhat vulgar SUVs. I don't want her to ever find out what a Urus or DBX is but for the moment she wants an XM....I'll just buy her the Citroen
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