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And as for the 911S vs the m4 GTS that's right. Every test they've been tested against one another the 911 has been as fast or faster despite being on a street tire (the Ring and hockenheim on sport auto, Laguna seca, VIR). I bet if you put MPSC2 on the 911S and even out the tires it would be low 1:35s. They really have done wonderful things with the turbo 911 especially considering its a GT car. |
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09-21-2016, 09:54 PM | #24 |
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Why don't people notice the Dodge Viper ACR more? Fuck, I love that damn thing!
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Major underperformance by the M4 GTS compared to the American competition and a stock Porsche. The M4 is basically a roll-caged track car with turbo and water injection trickery probably dynoing around 540 bhp, full coil-overs and being one of the lighter cars gets its head handed to it from normally aspirated GT350R (here and at VIR) and other American cars. Also, props to Porsche for building such a capable street car.
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The Alpha chassis is no more performance oriented than the F32/F82 chassis. It too is a chassis developed for cheap sedans like the ATS 2.0T and built up for use in cars like the ATS-V, Camaro, etc... GM just built a better chassis this time around, you better believe they used trips/tricks from the Germans to get where they are now. Kudos to GM for building a world class chassis and being the leader in developing magnetic ride suspensions. |
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09-21-2016, 11:43 PM | #28 |
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Dodge Viper ACR - 1:31.58 Audi R8 V10 Plus - 1:34.23 McLaren 570S - 1:34.58 Merc GT-S - 1:35.30 Shelby GT350R - 1:36.11 Acura NSX - 1:36.36 Porsche 911S - 1:36.44 Nissan GT-R - 1:37.08 BMW M4GTS - 1:37.66 Camaro 1LE - 1:37.78 Jaguar F-Type SVR AWD - 1:38.75 AM V12 Vantage S - 1:41.77 |
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09-22-2016, 08:35 AM | #32 | |
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Let's say MT puts every car on the same tire and your preferred car still loses... What's your next excuse? Whether the car MT received had magnetic dampers vs fixed? Results are as expected with maybe the 1LE being 3rd instead of 4th given how much they hyped it up. I knew the GT350R would be either 1st or 2nd after how Pobst had very little to complain about the GT350R after driving it on that lap. The GT350 would be the only Mustang that I would consider owning, but sadly outside my budget. Not a fan of how the GT( even with the PP) drove and will probably pick up the Camaro SS. If I could afford the GT350, it may have pulled me away from the Camaro. Good times we live in right now with all these great cars to choose from. Last edited by quagmire; 09-22-2016 at 08:48 AM.. |
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Seems embarrassing to me. I really did expect the GTS to be much faster than it is. I would have expected it to beat many of the cars on that list (Camaro and 911s included). Last edited by WhatsADSM; 09-22-2016 at 08:55 AM.. |
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As you have stated, it's what the factory provided with the car. When GM supplied the Z/28 with Trofeo R tires and the ZR1/Z06 with the PS Cup, everyone called foul. Now other manufacturers are supplying cars with the same aggressive tire. Imagine how quick the 570S would have been with a proper aggressive tire along with a "track package" with wider rubber. McLaren has billed the 570S as a true "street" car and not a track rat. It's purposely under-tired to get a more organic feel and has the ability to slide around. Does that make it fast? No. Does it give a more rewarding driving experience? Apparently. Hence, why it won the competition. In the end, it's "you run what you brung."
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Kumho said in testing the Viper edition V720 were 1.5 seconds quicker around Buttonwillow than a Hoosier R6(slick tire). ACR takes no prisoners when it comes to any component on that car. |
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Agree w/ the BMW sentiments, if you're gonna charge crazy $$$$, at least beat the competition, even if slightly. It just fails and is not usable as a road car, much like I assume the Viper, what's w/ the inefficient massive 10,000,000 litre engine and 5,353,535 cylinders (hyperboles) yet cranking out that relatively low power? Same goes for the Aston, just underwhelming, 12 cylinders and only 5xx hp? Acura is disappointing as well but what did you expect w/ such a confused development and repeatedly-delayed launch? Just a mess and major fail to the prestige amassed by the original NSX. GTR's old so no biggie. Yankees are pretty impressive given the $ factor. Meh for F-Type and same goes for the Porsche. If I had a bigger wallet, the Audi, McLaren and Merc would be the finalists but never did like the looks of the R8 and it's the little bro of the Huracan, and the Merc, while sexy, is just hard to compare to the mid-engined Brit. Good choice as 1st place.
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09-22-2016, 11:27 AM | #41 | |
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Fronts are only 225/35-19. The rears are only 285/30-20. What I was referring to was going a bit wider both front and rear to get a more organic grip from wider tires. Yes, they are corsa tires, but very narrow nonetheless. For comparison, the Camaro 1LE has a 285/30-20 front and 305/30-20 rear. Again, I'm just pointing out that this car laid down a stellar lap on relatively small rubber. To that end: I've said this from the beginning, the NSX has lost its soul. It is complicated to be complicated and in the end, it doesn't fair very well as a "drivers car." It has similar HP figures as the McLaren and has all the fancy hybrid/electric motor drivetrain and still can't hang with the McLaren in terms of shear pace. Yes, the NSX weighs more because of all the tech, but in the end - is it necessary? What if Honda would have got rid of all the electronic drivetrain and AWD and left it just as a normal RWD and a TT-V6? It would have lost several hundred pounds and possibly had been a more rewarding car along with possibly a quicker car. It would have cost a lot less too. I know, there are a lot of "possibly's" there, but you can't help but notice how similar the 570S is to the NSX when you peel back all the tech. It's like Porsche making the statement that the GT3/RS cars will only be offered with a PDK transmission because it's the fastest way around the track. They never asked if the enthusiasts who actually buy the car even care about the "ultimate" track time and are more worried about driver involvement. Hence, the 911R selling out almost instantly and now changing hands for many hundreds of thousands of dollars above MSRP and Porsche going back on their word and will be offering a GT3/RS with a manual in the future. In the end, it's much easier for Porsche to develop a manual transmission and offer it in these cars than it is for Honda to re-engineer the entire car to get rid of all the hybrid-drivetrain. I know that hybrids and electric cars are the future, but it just doesn't seem to work here.
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Um... 2017 model is different EVERYTHING.
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