[Andrew115]

Looks like dodge is willing to take a hit to stay competitive. All current models on the lots will get the same discount too.

Man I would hate to be the guy that bought a Viper last month.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/08/2...rops-15k-2015/

[SOM3]

Still not interested.

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by Andrew115

Looks like dodge is willing to take a hit to stay competitive. All current models on the lots will get the same discount too.

Man I would hate to be the guy that bought a Viper last month.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/08/2...rops-15k-2015/

Sad thing is that it probably won't help. Lack of dual-clutch/automatic, means the Viper's total addressable market is 10-20% that of cars with automatics/dual-clutches.

Also the side-exhaust while exceptionally 'cool' looking, also make getting in and out of the Viper a bit scary. I remember when I drove the old SRT-10 how hellaciously hot it would get right by the driver/passenger door well. Another point, the Z06 is going to draw all the attention.

Lastly, $15k discount on cars in this price range isn't unheard of. Plenty of folks get $15k discounts on M5/M6s/Maseratis etc. The $15k discount was probably already happening so this is just a marketing ploy really.

Other than that, the Viper is an insanely good car.

[gthal]

I like a lot of cars. I have owned a lot of cars. I do not, have never, nor will I likely ever, want a Viper. I'm not even sure why (which is maybe unfair of me).

If it was priced at $55,000 I would still take a Stingray over it in a heartbeat. Heck, the Z06 will start at the same price. That would be a no-brainer over the Viper. Heck, I'd take a Mustang over the Viper.

[M3guy3]

that is crazy news. sadly the viper doesn't get really great reviews. they probably want to keep prices closer to the Z06 corvette.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

that is crazy news. sadly the viper doesn't get really great reviews. they probably want to keep prices closer to the Z06 corvette.

Which, I will bet $100, eats the Viper for lunch.

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by gthal

I like a lot of cars. I have owned a lot of cars. I do not, have never, nor will I likely ever, want a Viper. I'm not even sure why (which is maybe unfair of me).

If it was priced at $55,000 I would still take a Stingray over it in a heartbeat. Heck, the Z06 will start at the same price. That would be a no-brainer over the Viper. Heck, I'd take a Mustang over the Viper.

Why is that the case?

The Viper TA had the 3rd best lap time in C&Ds's lightning lap at VIR behind the 918 spyder and the GTR Nismo and ahead of the F12 Berlinetta. Why is nobody commenting on how much performance bargain the Viper is? And it's also actually quite luxurious on the inside (the new one is - the old one is AWFUL on the inside).

When people asked me what's the craziest car I've driven (and I've driven some pretty crazy cars) I always answer with the Viper. Insanely fun. The Viper ACR is still one of my all-time favorite cars.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by trinim3

Why is that the case?

The Viper TA had the 3rd best lap time in C&Ds's lightning lap at VIR behind the 918 spyder and the GTR Nismo and ahead of the F12 Berlinetta. Why is nobody commenting on how much performance bargain the Viper is? And it's also actually quite luxurious on the inside (the new one is - the old one is AWFUL on the inside).

When people asked me what's the craziest car I've driven (and I've driven some pretty crazy cars) I always answer with the Viper. Insanely fun. The Viper ACR is still one of my all-time favorite cars.

All good points... which is why I said my opinion was unfair.

A car needs to "speak" to you on an emotional level and, for some reason, the Viper never has for me. I can very much appreciate the performance but would never buy one regardless. Unfortunately for SRT, this is a big problem as no one seems to be willing to buy one and I bet the price reduction helps a bit but doesn't fix the lack of desire for the car. I don't think $15,000 impacts a purchase decision on an $85-100k car that much if the car sparks desire in buyers. It would matter for some people but for many, the pure "need to have it" would outweigh the $15,000 price change if the car was the right car... unfortunately for the Viper, it has proven not to be the right car for many as sales are dismal.

[DocWeatherington]

I bet it will be eaten, question is how soon will a new Viper show up or a major overall. I wouldn't be surprised that Fiat is awaiting the new Zo6 and do damage control after they get one to track and take apart. Just as I am sure Chevy did to the Viper... Got to love competition, builds better cars for us to lust after.

I think the Viper is a bit more raw, probably why some people don't like it.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I bet it will be eaten, question is how soon will a new Viper show up or a major overall. I wouldn't be surprised that Fiat is awaiting the new Zo6 and do damage control after they get one to track and take apart. Just as I am sure Chevy did to the Viper... Got to love competition, builds better cars for us to lust after.

I think the Viper is a bit more raw, probably why some people don't like it.

one thing i also dont really like about the car is the engine. I love V10 engines, but i this one is different. Doesnt even sound that great also.

the high revving V10 engines from Europe are much better IMO. I think the viper is better off having a V8.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by gthal

All good points... which is why I said my opinion was unfair.

A car needs to "speak" to you on an emotional level and, for some reason, the Viper never has for me. I can very much appreciate the performance but would never buy one regardless. Unfortunately for SRT, this is a big problem as no one seems to be willing to buy one and I bet the price reduction helps a bit but doesn't fix the lack of desire for the car. I don't think $15,000 impacts a purchase decision on an $85-100k car that much if the car sparks desire in buyers. It would matter for some people but for many, the pure "need to have it" would outweigh the $15,000 price change if the car was the right car... unfortunately for the Viper, it has proven not to be the right car for many as sales are dismal.

I feel the same way, its a nice car. I respect it, i love looking them. but i cant seem to really want one. as they dropped there price is also means people agree with us.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

one thing i also dont really like about the car is the engine. I love V10 engines, but i this one is different. Doesnt even sound that great also.

the high revving V10 engines from Europe are much better IMO. I think the viper is better off having a V8.

Hmm... In American style, I think this motor dates back to starting out as a Truck motor. But please correct me if I am wrong

[DieGrüneHölle]

Agree with others in thread. The Viper just does nothing for me. Never has, never will.

[Andrew115]

My personal opinion is that the hellcat engine will cause sales here to dip so they are going to blow them out now and release a new viper in 16


http://www.leftlanenews.com/dodge-pr...-for-2016.html

[Np2014]

Why no Dct or automatic on the viper when even the exotics have them?

[Andrew115]

Originally Posted by Np2014

Why no Dct or automatic on the viper when even the exotics have them?

My guess is price and because they want to stay true to their heritage. Just think if F8x were only DCT... this forum would be going off the hook.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Np2014

Why no Dct or automatic on the viper when even the exotics have them?

for some reason the amercian car companies dont believe in DCT technology. There is not a single performance car i know of that has a DCT American made.

I heard in the past is it because DCT dont work well with torque. but the GTR and turbo use them...... and other high torque turbo engines.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Andrew115

My guess is price and because they want to stay true to their heritage. Just think if F8x were only DCT... this forum would be going off the hook.

got to keep in mine. the c6 z06 and c6 ZR1 there was no auto, and those cars sold. Its more than just a transmission thing, i think people buying these cars dotn mind.

[myzmak]

...joining the chorus of those saying the Viper will never, ever be a car for me.

No matter how impressive the performance figures or how unfair it may be, the car was launched and targeted at someone that is not me and it has never spoken to me on any level. Some cars I say "I gotta get into THAT" as soon as I see them. The new Alfa's would fall into that category. But the Viper? zero.

THAT SAID, its all just subjective opinion and if it floats your boat, go for it. Won't attack you for that choice (even if I laugh at you behind your back....and you laugh right back at me behind mine. )

[gthal]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

for some reason the amercian car companies dont believe in DCT technology. There is not a single performance car i know of that has a DCT American made.

I heard in the past is it because DCT dont work well with torque. but the GTR and turbo use them...... and other high torque turbo engines.

My take is that they have invested in different transmission technology than a DCT and need to recover their development costs. Therefore, they use what they have or modified versions of it. Parts bin type stuff.

You're right, however, the torque argument is dumb. Lots of high torque DCT cars out there.

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by gthal

My take is that they have invested in different transmission technology than a DCT and need to recover their development costs. Therefore, they use what they have or modified versions of it. Parts bin type stuff.

You're right, however, the torque argument is dumb. Lots of high torque DCT cars out there.

I also get the impression that some many manufacturers are starting to favor the ZF-8 speed auto over DCTs. On paper it sounds horrible, but the newest ZF-8 speeds seem to be leaps and bounds better than in previous years--- almost as good as DCTs. Don't forget DCTs and SMGs were pretty bad when they first came out, so that's why judging something off of past performance isn't always the best idea

[mkoesel]

American performance cars don't use DCTs because their business case is about around sharing as much of their drivetrain as they can with higher volume models (like pickup trucks).

That doesn't explain the Viper's lack of two-pedal option though. I suppose it is just not in their budget to offer two transmission options, and they have no easy path to transition from manual-only to auto-only.