[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by PatatasFritas

As an additional car to the M3, what is the thought on a used 991 911 4s vs a '15 or '16 BE Nissan GTR?

The 911 Turbo is the Porsche most frequently compared to the GTR given the power output and AWD and I haven't seen many comparisons between the tamer 911 and Godzilla.

Thanks

OP, if you can swing it look into the new 4S.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

They are just two different sounds. FI vs NA. I have heard in person a GTR with full Armytrix(my opinion best exhaust for that car), it does sound very good.

911's are also no joke with a proper exhaust. A NA sound the GTR can't really replicate. My good friend has Fabspeed supersport on his 991 S, he is one loudest cars at my local track days. It sounds mean.

Here is just a non-S base 911 with Armytrix. Even their little 3.4L can sound damn good.

Might sound good for a Porsche but it's probably the weakest ARMYTRIX video I've seen.

This one kills that video

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by MPerformance211

Ummm..... no it wouldn't. My GTR had an HKS midpipe and an HKS Legamax exhaust and it did not sound anywhere near as good as the GT4 I posted. Tried to post a sound clip I have of my former GTR but can't get it to work.

Just for argument sake, even if the GTR happened to sound better, I'd never buy one over a GT4 based on aesthetics alone....not to mention the substantial difference in driving enjoyment, build quality, feel, et al that you get in the GT4.

Ok.. again, like I said to another poster, if you don't like the GTR than what I said isn't for you. My post was for someone who is cross shopping the 2 cars and seriously likes both but can't decide which one. For someone in that situation, only reason to get the Porsche CS is because of the badge...And this thread isn't even about the GT4.

And I never understand that "one is a track monster the other is for carving mountain roads" WTF! It doesn't have to be one or the other .. A GTR is a track monster that will crave up mountain roads.

[AW335TT]

Btw I'm not even a GTR fan and will probably never get one.. Ugly fkn car, But I got to call it how I see it.

[jwilliams]

^^ non biased veiw. I can tell you aren't a brand whore. You just know what car is better.

[IEDEI]

neither.

GT4 and get rid of whatever you have!

[vsix]

*****GT-R to da stable*****

Will be buying also one in the future, that means for you defnately a good decision

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

^^ non biased veiw. I can tell you aren't a brand whore. You just know what car is better.

Exactly.. This is usually how Porsche reviews go against their competition.

Competition - "the chassis wants to oversteer, it's not a easy car to drive" .. Usually ends there.

Porsche - "it's not a easy car to drive, wants to oversteer, makes you really work for it but ITS SO REWARDING ONCE YOU GET IT RIGHT" .. Lol can it be anymore persuasive. Or "do I miss a manual? Not really.." Lol every other car needs a manual but when the RS goes PDK.. Everyone just sugar coats it or points to the GT4 for a manual. Which GT3 RS customer wants a fkn Cayman.

[MPerformance211]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Exactly.. This is usually how Porsche reviews go against their competition.

Competition - "the chassis wants to oversteer, it's not a easy car to drive" .. Usually ends there.

Porsche - "it's not a easy car to drive, wants to oversteer, makes you really work for it but ITS SO REWARDING ONCE YOU GET IT RIGHT" .. Lol can it be anymore persuasive. Or "do I miss a manual? Not really.." Lol every other car needs a manual but when the RS goes PDK.. Everyone just sugar coats it or points to the GT4 for a manual. Which GT3 RS customer wants a fkn Cayman.

You haven't a clue man. How many of these cars have you owned?

Not only are there tons of GT3RS owners that want (and bought GT4) there are owners of the 918 that own and adore the Boxster Spyder and Cayman GT4. A buddy of mine just told me at a NYE party that he was instructing at Watkins Glen for PCA and had a guy there that owns a 918 and said he loves driving his Boxster Spyder as much as his 918. One day perhaps you will understand that driving enjoyment isn't all about the fastest from point A to point B.

The two most fun cars I ever owned were my E46 M3 and 987 CaymanS.

Obviously from some of your prior posts all you care about is how fast you can go in 1,320 feet. Whooooooeeeeee that's fun

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by MPerformance211

You haven't a clue man. How many of these cars have you owned?

Not only are there tons of GT3RS owners that want (and bought GT4) there are owners of the 918 that own and adore the Boxster Spyder and Cayman GT4. A buddy of mine just told me at a NYE party that he was instructing at Watkins Glen for PCA and had a guy there that owns a 918 and said he loves driving his Boxster Spyder as much as his 918. One day perhaps you will understand that driving enjoyment isn't all about the fastest from point A to point B.

The two most fun cars I ever owned were my E46 M3 and 987 CaymanS.

Obviously from some of your prior posts all you care about is how fast you can go in 1,320 feet. Whooooooeeeeee that's fun

Please read what you just wrote. Tons of GT3RS and 918 OWNERS. That means they have both. They didn't want a manual GT3RS and instead bought a GT4, and if one or two did, they settled like crazy. Fkn Porsche fanboys try to justify a non manual GT3RS with the GT4 like it's all good now because the GT4 exists.

Lol which prior posts?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

And I hope by "sweet music" you are talking about the sound system lol because Porsche isn't exactly a brand the comes to mind when thinking of nice exhaust/engine notes.. Except the GT3 and RS. Which shows the power of the brand again, any other car that sounded like a regular Carrera would not be making sweet music.

I'm not bashing on Porsche, I like their cars a lot but if it's between a Carrera S and GTR.. Most will say Carrera because it's a Porsche and the other is a Nissan.

Respectfully disagree here - one of the main reasons I got my 981 is because of the way it sounds - both inside and outside the car.

Are there other things that are faster? "Better"? Of course...but the overall package is really really good. It's the best car I've ever owned, and the sound is a big part of that.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Respectfully disagree here - one of the main reasons I got my 981 is because of the way it sounds - both inside and outside the car.

Are there other things that are faster? "Better"? Of course...but the overall package is really really good. It's the best car I've ever owned, and the sound is a big part of that.

Which cars would you say it is on par with? In terms of sound.

[MPerformance211]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Please read what you just wrote. Tons of GT3RS and 918 OWNERS. That means they have both. They didn't want a manual GT3RS and instead bought a GT4, and if one or two did, they settled like crazy. Fkn Porsche fanboys try to justify a non manual GT3RS with the GT4 like it's all good now because the GT4 exists.

Lol which prior posts?

....that's a first. ME (the one who rags on Porsche fanbois more than anyone on this very forum) being a Porsche fanboi myself. Now that is funny.

Please try to follow along and read my comment in context. I never suggested that a GT3RS buyer "settled" for a GT4. You said what GT3RS owner wants a GT4......and the answer is there are many. There are many GT3RS (talking 997 variant) that bought a GT4 and quite a few 918 owners as well. You made it sound as if its beneath a GT3 owner to want/buy a GT4. That is what I am commenting on. Hence, my comment on speed isn't everything and how the 918 owner adores his Spyder.

I personally don't understand why Porsche did not make the GT3 and/or the GT3RS with a manual. Purist want them even though the PDK is certainly quicker around a track.

[auf Deutsch]

Next gen GT3 will offer MT. Porsche learned their lesson and listened to its customers.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by MPerformance211

....that's a first. ME (the one who rags on Porsche fanbois more than anyone on this very forum) being a Porsche fanboi myself. Now that is funny.

Please try to follow along and read my comment in context. I never suggested that a GT3RS buyer "settled" for a GT4. You said what GT3RS owner wants a GT4......and the answer is there are many. There are many GT3RS (talking 997 variant) that bought a GT4 and quite a few 918 owners as well. You made it sound as if its beneath a GT3 owner to want/buy a GT4. That is what I am commenting on. Hence, my comment on speed isn't everything and how the 918 owned adores his Spyder.

I personally don't understand why Porsche did not make the GT3 and/or the GT3RS with a manual. Purist want them even though the PDK is certainly quicker around a track.

You completely failed to understand what I was saying. Please go back and read through my posts carefully and correct your mistakes.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Which cars would you say it is on par with? In terms of sound.

Well that's the trouble - sound, like looks, are very subjective.

I would say that the 981 sounds better than the 235 that I had for 18 months by a large margin. Not sure where it will be when the M2 arrives, but that has sounded better than the F8X on videos.

The Jag F type sounds much better stock - that's something they "get" very well, and I would agree generally that AMG (like Jaguar) produces very nice sounding cars.

I would call it even with the TTRS that is in my neighborhood - my car is higher pitched than his, but both are good.

I have a much shorter term experience with P cars, but the 991, 981, GT4, GT3s - man, they all sound good to my ears. And if you want to look at aftermarket, well this sounds just as good as the GT-R example above to me.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Btw I'm not even a GTR fan and will probably never get one.. Ugly fkn car, But I got to call it how I see it.

I am a GTR fan, I actually do like the way it looks. I just see the merit in owning both cars.

And certaintly agree with others, 911's and Cayman's sound great with exhaust. Just attend one Continental Tire race and you will realize.

Originally Posted by jwilliams

^^ non biased veiw. I can tell you aren't a brand whore. You just know what car is better.

Actually he sounds quite biased.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Well that's the trouble - sound, like looks, are very subjective.

981 sounds amazing with exhaust. Actually think the best exhaust for Cayman S is simple/inexpensive Borla.

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Which cars would you say it is on par with? In terms of sound.

You tell us. What sounds on par with the video above?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

981 sounds amazing with exhaust. Actually think the best exhaust for Cayman S is simple/inexpensive Borla.

You tell us. What sounds on par with the video above?

The Borla sounds awesome.

I'm just not sure it "goes" with the car - it's more of a muscle car sound to me, which is also nice,

One drawback to the Borla is that it doesn't have valves. Always in full attack mode. I guess that could also be a positive

[doe]

I would use the m3 for daily and get a convertible carrera (carrera s) for weekends. And use the difference of 4s for improvements on m3. Or gtr-daily , carrera for weekends

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by MPerformance211

You haven't a clue man. How many of these cars have you owned?

Not only are there tons of GT3RS owners that want (and bought GT4) there are owners of the 918 that own and adore the Boxster Spyder and Cayman GT4. A buddy of mine just told me at a NYE party that he was instructing at Watkins Glen for PCA and had a guy there that owns a 918 and said he loves driving his Boxster Spyder as much as his 918. One day perhaps you will understand that driving enjoyment isn't all about the fastest from point A to point B.

The two most fun cars I ever owned were my E46 M3 and 987 CaymanS.

Obviously from some of your prior posts all you care about is how fast you can go in 1,320 feet. Whooooooeeeeee that's fun

Plus 1.

Driving enjoyment isn't about numbers all the time. Reason why the GT4 was EVO COTY over the 488 and 675 and whatever other great cars were in the running.

Some of the most fun I've had was in my Cayman S...and for sound mine had a Remus exhaust and that car sounded fantastic. Got compliments all the time.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by MPerformance211

....that's a first. ME (the one who rags on Porsche fanbois more than anyone on this very forum) being a Porsche fanboi myself. Now that is funny.

Please try to follow along and read my comment in context. I never suggested that a GT3RS buyer "settled" for a GT4. You said what GT3RS owner wants a GT4......and the answer is there are many. There are many GT3RS (talking 997 variant) that bought a GT4 and quite a few 918 owners as well. You made it sound as if its beneath a GT3 owner to want/buy a GT4. That is what I am commenting on. Hence, my comment on speed isn't everything and how the 918 owner adores his Spyder.

I personally don't understand why Porsche did not make the GT3 and/or the GT3RS with a manual. Purist want them even though the PDK is certainly quicker around a track.

This is true. MANY 918 spyder owners ended up with GT3 RS', GT4s and Boxster spyders and the ones I know have not said anything but rave about the GT4 and boxster spyder.