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The sad part is that Tesla probably doesn't realize that sloppy builds, poor quality control, and substandard inspection end up costing them more than if they built the vehicle properly, thereby avoiding repairs, replacement, and lost customers. That said, BMW could also gain from understanding that concept.
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01-12-2024, 07:25 PM | #91 | |
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Tesla dropped the price and now you’re $30K underwater on the Tesla! That’s insane…I mean the fact Tesla drops prices like that so frequently. Did they compensate you or provide any thing to make up for it. I mean, what a hit on resale values if your $120K Plaid can now be bought for $90K new or something like that. That alone would make me stay away from the brand regardless of how fun it is to drive albeit I would think that’s more of straight line acceleration…but again, I don’t own a Tesla, probably never will, so only going off what I’ve read and friends experiences. Read here or somewhere else, can’t remember…MY best selling car…whatever…can only get that because they’re discounting them so much I guess. |
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01-13-2024, 08:56 AM | #93 | |
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As for Model S price drop, in fact, they never dropped, but they peaked to 120K for the Plaid and +100K for Model S during COVID only and those who bought it in 2021 should have known better. It's now back to normal as it was prior to 2020 or lower (Model S was 70+74 in 2020 pre-covid) and it's almost similar for the base model. Name a single brand that maintained now it's pricing to pre-COVID prices? Almost none except a few, certainly now the ones we typically drive. Pricing strategy of Tesla is all based on small margins and balancing demand vs supply. Their margins are too low now and that's the right time to buy. I hope they never peak again, as this would mean there is a global issue again. When prices has peaked at that time, most other brands were NOT selling new cars and the wait was 1 year, and when they do sell a car, they sell it for 20K above MSRP. in 2021 I was shopping for the new Escalade, almost all dealers where asking 15K over MSRP. That's the same exact way as price increased but in a nastier way. Tesla does NOT play the dealers game, they sell direct, and they simply increased their prices to be profitable during supply issues, so that was not an isolated issue, and again in my view it is not a price reduction, it was a price increase that now is gone and back to normal. I am not a fan-boy of Tesla, in fact, I am not a fan of any car, and likely there is almost nobody I know who switches cars and enjoys them by going from one to another as fast as I do. So I have zero emotions to any brand or car I own, and I have always been honest about my ownership experience even if it bothers others who are attached to their cars, and just blindly hate other brands. Before I got one, I used to do the same (even here) as I never appreciated the brand enough (which is why I can't fault anyone from doing that now), but I knew it was based on blindly making assumptions. I can tell you now from experience, just like many (real owners) said, the Model S is the best car I ever owned in my life. Even the best car for it's price too. I would still buy this car even if it was priced the same as COVID years. Luckily I bought it during normal pricing years just last year. I don't understand it when people just talk trash about Tesla from the outside counting on their friends or colleagues feedback. Thinking about the 5-series or i5, it is soooo silly to even think of comparing them as the i5 is more expensive, yet it's worse than the S in almost every single aspect based on current pricing (i5 has less space, more cramped, lower range, slower charging, less stability, software and UX is not even close, mobile app is not even close too, etc). Even for an ev to ev comparison, Model S still has the edge over other Sedans in the 75-90K range. U can't fault them for peaking prices when almost no brand was selling EVs during COVID as non of them could afford getting the raw materials needed for batteries then. Only people with bad experiences are vocal, just like here on this form with the X7 LCI first few months, omg the car almost seemed like real trash from all the on-going issues. In reality, it is still a great SUV. I'd only take feedback from those who tried the brand, yet tried it long enough, and I wouldn't take isolated/single experiences. If you do, no body should ever buy 2022+ X7 based on my experience (mine was a peace of trash build quality wise from all sides, creaking noises, moonroof noise, side door wind noise, trunk door misaligned, etc), but it's just me, others are still happy. It's the combined sum of a large pool of owners and what they think of the brand. In that case, Tesla owners, for the majority of them, would never ever look back and switch to another brand, but u'd still find a few people with bad experiences, but not a majority). Last edited by BMW5and7; 01-13-2024 at 09:19 AM.. |
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As far as compensate me, LOL no why would they? Only automaker I saw do that was the Viper when they dropped the price around 2014 and they gave the original owners a $20k coupon for another Dodge. If they did that I would take advantage and get another Plaid. |
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01-13-2024, 12:41 PM | #97 | |
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Tesla just doesn’t care because they are selling a ton of cars so why do they care if they turn off current owners and turning on prospective new owners. From a business perspective I get it. |
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01-13-2024, 12:50 PM | #100 | |
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I agree though that the best thing to do is to wait a few more years. I can't think of any sedan that can be better than your Plaid now. Just enjoy it. |
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01-13-2024, 01:01 PM | #101 | |
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I think for $90k right now it’s hard to beat the Plaid for what it is. It’s a great car but just don’t expect BMW fit and finish or service and just hope you get a good one. Also don’t expect the same features as a normal car like real BSM, 360 camera, etc. because even though they have provided updates for some feature, they aren’t nearly as good. I will say the sound system is incredible compared to my B&W sound system in my X7. |
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01-13-2024, 02:39 PM | #102 |
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I was about to ask you about what you think of the sound system. First based on feedback from others before i got mine, i thought they are exaggerating as that sounds system on the S is standard.... but I'd say I was very impressed too compared to B&W on my BMWs and even compared to the 6.5K Burmester 3D option on Benz-S-class (which is a notch better or equally good, not sure).
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I have a friend who just got his Model S 100K, has 10+ things he has listed, and is waiting for a Tesla appointment to fix it. This includes the bumper not aligning, window seals, and several small issues. Can you imagine buying a 7 series and having these issues with BMW?
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01-13-2024, 08:18 PM | #105 | |
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I just don’t understand why other cars can’t have a good sound system like Tesla who doesn’t even put a name on it. Seems so easy but when I had the HK sound system in my M340, Mark Levinson in my GX460 or Beats in my SRT Durango, all of them were not impressive at all and comparably sounded like garbage. I even had a Model Y as a loaner once and it sounded awesome. |
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01-13-2024, 10:30 PM | #108 | |
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BMW and other brands should start making their own, but I guess they don't have the capacity. If Tesla can do it, BMW should be able to do it, but German manufacturers like to keep relying on others for many of their parts for a reason I never understood. The best sound system I ever had was the HK sound system in a 2010 Mbenz GL. 2nd best is the one in the Tesla S and X, 3rd is the 3D Burmester in the Benz S-class... The B&W and HK in our X5 and X7 are great, but not the greatest... there is some depth and not as immersive as they should for that price. |
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