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      04-08-2019, 11:12 PM   #23
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A friend of mine got 3k off a $94k build here in GA
We just ordered my 50i for $109 on a $114 build.
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Got about 5k off a 95k vehicle on the lot. I was happy with it to have the vehicle since it was perfect. Not sure I really wanted to fiddle around driving a lot further away for what would likely only have been 1-2k more. When we are shopping the 90k+ price point, the smiles of owning the vehicles are worth more than arguing over a slight increase in discount. At least for me. :-)
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Thanks for the update. Hopely, I can buy X7 before Easter Day.
I try to get a deal around 10% to 8% for 50i.
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It's a niche market. Use the navigator as an example, second year body on market, zero incentives and they actually raised the msrp by a few thousand. Aviator will be the same. GM has a redesign around the corner, but up until now the Tahoe, Yukon and Escalade had minimal incentives. Same goes for gls. The markets that will be hurting is the sedan market. But I hope you're right
It's a niche market for x6Ms yet most of us got 10%+ off MSRP a year or so after model launch. x7s will sell at similar rates
You can't compare a X7 to a X6M. Both are niche vehicles, but one has far more demand than the other. Will we see some incentives in the future on the X7? Absolutely but don't think they're coming any time soon. Some dealerships already have their May allocations already spoken for and I would imagine others have the same. In the event that a few dealerships have a few in stock, that is small relative to the rest of the market - BMW isn't going to give those $8,000+ credits you typically see on 7er's to help those few dealerships move their inventory when the rest of the market is still hot.
If you're not getting 8% off the X7 by May or June you're doing it wrong. We got 8% off our X5 that was ordered in January for a late February delivery. That's only 3 months from November launch date.
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      04-10-2019, 09:23 AM   #27
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If you're not getting 8% off the X7 by May or June you're doing it wrong. We got 8% off our X5 that was ordered in January for a late February delivery. That's only 3 months from November launch date.
Again, comparing a volume model vs. non-volume model or low production model is not an apples/apples comparison.

You could always get great deals (MSRP and loyalty credits) on X5 and X3 and even the G20 3er at launch because the amount of inventory surpassed the demand. Dealerships don't need to nor would they want to play hardball when bigger dealerships at launch had at last 20 vehicles incoming.

In Canada, most dealerships' May allocations are already gone and depending on how much BMW/BMW Canada allocates in April, those are likely as gone as well and past that there are still people on waiting lists with deposits. I would imagine the waitlist in the U.S. is probably a lot longer than what Canada has.

Now that's not to say you couldn't find a dealership somewhere in the U.S. where luxury vehicles are not that strong of a seller and deal with them, but there's probably few of those.

I don't know how each and every dealership operates and what their reporting schedule is, maybe a dealership is willing to give away all the gross for bonuses or something.
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We'll see but the X7 is anything but exclusive or a limited edition. It's going to be just as heavily discounted once supply meets demand.
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It's true that not all dealerships do the same volume of luxury SAV's and some are more willing than others to deal but I was a new customer trading a 17 Mercedes GLS 550 and got a 5% discount for our X7 50i with a MSRP of $106K and an extra $3,000 for our trade so its usually worthwhile to shop around.
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Demand does seem high for the X7 at first. But it remains to be seen what the long-term sustained demand is. There's a backlog of people out there that have been waiting for a car like the X7. Many of them minivan moms or dads driving other big 3-row SUV's, because BMW didn't make a full 3-row car. There's going to be an initial rush of those who have been waiting to jump back to BMW with a car like the X7. Will that rush be sustained over time with high demand? Time will tell.
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Wild Blue makes all good points and I'll add to his list. The 2020 GLS is being unveiled in a few weeks and should land in dealerships this fall.
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Wild Blue makes all good points and I'll add to his list. The 2020 GLS is being unveiled in a few weeks and should land in dealerships this fall.
True true. GLS production will undeniably have an effect on X7 demand.
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Demand does seem high for the X7 at first. But it remains to be seen what the long-term sustained demand is. There's a backlog of people out there that have been waiting for a car like the X7. Many of them minivan moms or dads driving other big 3-row SUV's, because BMW didn't make a full 3-row car. There's going to be an initial rush of those who have been waiting to jump back to BMW with a car like the X7. Will that rush be sustained over time with high demand? Time will tell.
Agreed on all points. The demand will eventually meet supply but based on area/country, this is not happening soon - at least for another 2-4 months based on waitlist/deposits. As long as BMW sees that the demand is greater than supply, there will likely be no deliver credits/alternate cash back. If you want a discount, that will solely be at the discretion of the dealership and it looks like many are still not budging on MSRP.

Just not seeing why some are expecting BMW assistance this early for a model that isn't a volume seller and not manufactured as such.
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Agreed on all points. The demand will eventually meet supply but based on area/country, this is not happening soon - at least for another 2-4 months based on waitlist/deposits. As long as BMW sees that the demand is greater than supply, there will likely be no deliver credits/alternate cash back. If you want a discount, that will solely be at the discretion of the dealership and it looks like many are still not budging on MSRP.

Just not seeing why some are expecting BMW assistance this early for a model that isn't a volume seller and not manufactured as such.
Based on history. X7 is a volume seller, at least in the US. As others said, if you need it right now, you won't get as much of a discount as it's a nice new shiny toy that many people want but give it a couple of months and supply and demand will balance exactly how it's done with every other BMW or similar cars on the market. The fact that this is a three row seater doesn't make it a low volume car.
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When I'm in the market for the X7 next February, I don't see a reason why I shouldn't be able to get the same 10% off that are already available on the X5 a few months after launch.
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When I'm in the market for the X7 next February, I don't see a reason why I shouldn't be able to get the same 10% off that are already available on the X5 a few months after launch.
I really have no idea, but part of me thinks, there will be literally 750,000 other X5s out in the market and maybe only 20,000 x7s (and all of them less than 12 months old).... I would think that might keep the standard x7 discount below the 10% for a longer time than you see with a new x5 . Plus, how many would be X5 shoppers want an X7 - further reducing x5 demand.

Lastly, X7 supply / production has the gobal market to satisfy and its pent up demand. That could limit supply in the USA for at least a year relative to the X5.

That's 3 possible reasons.

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Agreed on all points. The demand will eventually meet supply but based on area/country, this is not happening soon - at least for another 2-4 months based on waitlist/deposits. As long as BMW sees that the demand is greater than supply, there will likely be no deliver credits/alternate cash back. If you want a discount, that will solely be at the discretion of the dealership and it looks like many are still not budging on MSRP.

Just not seeing why some are expecting BMW assistance this early for a model that isn't a volume seller and not manufactured as such.
Based on history. X7 is a volume seller, at least in the US. As others said, if you need it right now, you won't get as much of a discount as it's a nice new shiny toy that many people want but give it a couple of months and supply and demand will balance exactly how it's done with every other BMW or similar cars on the market. The fact that this is a three row seater doesn't make it a low volume car.
When orders have been processed and everything stabilized, the X7 for what it is, is a low-volume car. BMW is not going to rely on it for high sales like they do with the X5 and X3. It's not going to be 7 series low but it's not going to do X3 or even X5 numbers - no one needs a $100k, 7-seat SUV.

The GL(S) in it's best year did as much sales as a S-Class (approx. 30,000) in the same year, would you consider either of them volume models?
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When orders have been processed and everything stabilized, the X7 for what it is, is a low-volume car. BMW is not going to rely on it for high sales like they do with the X5 and X3. It's not going to be 7 series low but it's not going to do X3 or even X5 numbers - no one needs a $100k, 7-seat SUV.

The GL(S) in it's best year did as much sales as a S-Class (approx. 30,000) in the same year, would you consider either of them volume models?
I guess my point is that even though BMW will never sell as many x7s as X5s or X3s, it will still be selling tens of thousands of them (e.g. not low volumes) and will need to continue to incentivize the market with good discounts. When I look at every BMW model sold in the last 20+ years, very few, if any, were sold without significant incentives. X6 was truly meant to be a niche low volume seller when it was conceived and even though it significantly exceeded all projections there were deals to be had on X6s fairly early after introduction. To my surprise, BMW has been offering really big discounts even on i8s.
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I guess my point is that even though BMW will never sell as many x7s as X5s or X3s, it will still be selling tens of thousands of them (e.g. not low volumes) and will need to continue to incentivize the market with good discounts. When I look at every BMW model sold in the last 20+ years, very few, if any, were sold without significant incentives. X6 was truly meant to be a niche low volume seller when it was conceived and even though it significantly exceeded all projections there were deals to be had on X6s fairly early after introduction. To my surprise, BMW has been offering really big discounts even on i8s.
I agree. I am not saying BMW will never have those incentives and credits that we see on the 7 Series. All I am saying is that BMW is not going to provide any sort of assistance in the near future because X7 production has yet to meet demand. If anyone is looking for any sort of discount or price reduction today or even next month, it is only found at the dealer level through MSRP. Just not sure why people are expecting credits from BMW so early in the production cycle when there are still those waiting for an allocation.
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BMW is not going to rely on it for high sales like they do with the X5 and X3. It's not going to be 7 series low but it's not going to do X3 or even X5 numbers - no one needs a $100k, 7-seat SUV.
That may be a fair point and comparison. Does anybody know what kinds of discounts you can get on the 7 series? It might take a while, but we could see very similar discounts come to the X7.
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Just closed a deal on a new order, $117k msrp and got 9% off. There are deals to be had, just need to shop around a little.
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Nice, you are my hero. Hopefully others will follow.
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Just closed a deal on a new order, $117k msrp and got 9% off. There are deals to be had, just need to shop around a little.
Nice, you are my hero. Hopefully others will follow.
This dealer had 23 in stock and more allocations to accommodate my build, first said msrp but just had to ask and salesman worked some magic for me! It was my second purchase from this particular salesman, not sure that had much to do with it or not, but who knows
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X7 fanboys will be crushed if this is true
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