[3.0L]

Originally Posted by DNYC1919

Couple of questions.
If 2 cars are racing/ speeding which car gets pulled over ? When that happen to me couple years ago I was the car in front and the officer pulled over the car behind me luckily.

Also what's the best way to get out of a speeding ticket ? Just be nice and apologize and ask for a break ?

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

By mentioning religion at all!!

Specifically this part of your post "she wasn't a Christian (was Catholic as most are), and that would have been a hard stop anyways."

Yeah, I'm guessing these posts are going to get deleted, even though I'm not trying to make it religion centred.

I'm still not sure I'm following, but I guess to flesh it out, I meant a large number of Italians adhere to Catholic faith, she was no exception. Not that all Catholics are not Christians. And I knew her personally well enough as we were friends to know that there was no evidence of Christ in her life, therefore my conclusion that she wasn't a Christian. If that helps explain my statement any better.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Yeah, I'm guessing these posts are going to get deleted, even though I'm not trying to make it religion centred.

I'm still not sure I'm following, but I guess to flesh it out, I meant a large number of Italians adhere to Catholic faith, she was no exception. Not that all Catholics are not Christians. And I knew her personally well enough as we were friends to know that there was no evidence of Christ in her life, therefore my conclusion that she wasn't a Christian. If that helps explain my statement any better.

A Christian is, quite simply, a follower of Christ. That relationship is between the follower and Christ. It has no place in human judgement by anyone.

Cheers, my friend.
MK

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Yes, they do to the best of my knowledge consider themselves Christian. An alarming number of them also rely solely on their priest to interpret the scriptures for them and don't bother reading the Bible themselves.

But, there is that other population that does read the Bible for themselves to figure out what is true, and they realize that salvation is not based on works, and trust solely in Jesus, not the Pope or their priest, and these people are Christians. And Catholics.

I know in the past, the Catholic church used to sell indulgences, my guess is that they don't do that anymore, but I have no idea. I suspect they still exist, but just not commercialized anymore. Still, that notion that an indulgence is required before your sin can be forgiven is not Scriptural.

I won't get into a biblical conversation with you...I will only say this: The bible you adhere to and that we mostly adhere to is the "least common denominator" bible. It's contents were negotiated by people that are long dead and they had their agendas, as well.

If everyone remembered, "The Spirit of God lives in all men so that they may know right from wrong.", and "Love your neighbor as yourself.", 99.9% of the problems we experience as individuals and as societies would not exist.

Cheers, my friend.
mk

[MKSixer]

This is a dangerous thread jack.

Let's get back to asking questions of our erstwhile Law Enforcement colleagues.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Not Catholics.

Some Catholics are Christians. Others are not. The beliefs are different - again, without trying to start a religious thread. Happy to continue in PM though since that probably doesn't violate the rules!

No need. I've had this conversation 1000 times with Protestants. It's fruitless. You are in no place to judge that.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

A Christian is, quite simply, a follower of Christ. That relationship is between the follower and Christ. It has no place in human judgement by anyone.

Cheers, my friend.
MK

And the Bible also says we ought not to be unequally yoked (ie a believer with an unbeliever). And with respect to false prophets "that by their fruits you shall know them".

Accordingly, you must judge for yourself whether this person truly appears to be a Christian when you are looking at potential marital relationship.

Human judgement has no bearing of course on that person's actual salvation - that is between that person and Christ, in that you are correct. But we can't stick our head in the sand either and make dumb moves that will only bring pain by not exercising our God given abilities to think and reason and make a judgement call for ourselves.

All right - anything else from anybody else, send me a PM so we don't keep threadjacking. I will do my best not to reply anymore here.

[kscarrol]

And you just can't let it go... Should not have shared your views of various religions, even this last posting. There is a reason that section was deleted. Bring it back to Ask a Cop...

[Littlebear]

With all due respect, Joekerr couldn't be more wrong about Catholics (St. Patrick's School alumni here!).
Anyone who is baptized is a Cristian, by definition. That means all Catholics.
There are many aspects of the different Christian sects that are not agreed on, such as the clergy marrying, who can receive communion, Sainthood, prayer, etc. But reading the Bible is a big part of Catholicism.
Of course there are good Christians & bad Christians, but unless the church excommunicates you, you are a Christian.
Indulgences were outlawed after the Dark Ages, and were a driving force behind the reforms of Luther (in 1517).

Murf

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I won't get into a biblical conversation with you...I will only say this: The bible you adhere to and that we mostly adhere to is the "least common denominator" bible. It's contents were negotiated by people that are long dead and they had their agendas, as well.

If everyone remembered, "The Spirit of God lives in all men so that they may know right from wrong.", and "Love your neighbor as yourself.", 99.9% of the problems we experience as individuals and as societies would not exist.

Cheers, my friend.
mk

That and the golden rule. Peace sisters and brothers.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

And you just can't let it go... Should not have shared your views of various religions, even this last posting. There is a reason that section was deleted. Bring it back to Ask a Cop...

Did I mention I miss donuts.....

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Did I mention I miss donuts.....

Murf to the rescue!!! I love me some good donuts... in fact there is a shop here in NOLA called Blue Dot Donuts. Owned but a couple former cops!

[F30lolz]

Everyday I see big rigs being pulled over by troopers on the highway. Assuming it isn’t for speeding, is it just for visual inspection/checking logs?

[Sara]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Murf to the rescue!!! I love me some good donuts... in fact there is a shop here in NOLA called Blue Dot Donuts. Owned but a couple former cops!

LOL. That’s great.

Are they better than District Donuts?

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Everyday I see big rigs being pulled over by troopers on the highway. Assuming it isn’t for speeding, is it just for visual inspection/checking logs?

Could be lots of reasons, I never was a fan of traffic enforcement.....we had a saying about "traffic men".

Could be moving violations, equipment issues/violations to check trip logs.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sara504

LOL. That’s great.

Are they better than District Donuts?

Yet another reason to get back down to NOLA.

[Joekerr]

Murf993 - if I were to ever be in a situation where I was coming back (or going to) a gun range with a pistol and was pulled over, would you recommend that I disclose that I have a firearm / pass the PAL with my license, or shut up until asked (if asked)?

And second followup, let's say he/she asks and I answer truthfully - am I correct in thinking that I cannot unbox a pistol on the side of the road legally speaking? In that scenario if I gave them the key to unbox, would that be legal if they did it instead?

[kscarrol]

Murf will chime but if I am pulled over with a weapon in the vehicle I would immediately inform the officer, even if its my shotgun in the trunk as I go to bust some clays.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Murf will chime but if I am pulled over with a weapon in the vehicle I would immediately inform the officer, even if its my shotgun in the trunk as I go to bust some clays.

True, but also you are American and its a little more common to travel with firearms I'd imagine no? Less so here. Especially if it is a pistol.

I'd feel like our police might be more interested than yours, and I'm not sure if the interest would be in a good way that might result in them being more lenient on the speeding charge, or less lenient and potentially I stored it unsafe or something.

I try to abide by all the gun laws, but I still remember one time where I forgot to check the chamber in the rifle for some reason - to this day, no idea why I didn't, I always had cleared it prior and after that day. Wound up boxing it up, came home, unboxed it, and for some reason I cycled the bolt and nearly shit myself when a brass came flying out. It was spent, not live, but nonetheless. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I always prove the firearms and that was one time I didn't. Burned into my memory as you can tell. Since it was spent, I wasn't technically in violation I suppose, but it was just all around stupid error on my part, and I'm afraid they catch me in some other stupid error that I didn't know about.

Even though the pistol is always trigger locked and stored in a locked case. And ammo isn't in the case when traveling.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Murf993 - if I were to ever be in a situation where I was coming back (or going to) a gun range with a pistol and was pulled over, would you recommend that I disclose that I have a firearm / pass the PAL with my license, or shut up until asked (if asked)?

And second followup, let's say he/she asks and I answer truthfully - am I correct in thinking that I cannot unbox a pistol on the side of the road legally speaking? In that scenario if I gave them the key to unbox, would that be legal if they did it instead?

It's an interesting question. I actually thought about this once when I was driving home from the range and I copper was following me down the road. My first blush would be to not mention it. You aren't doing anything illegal, it isn't much different than having alcohol or marijuana or a snowboard for that matter.

If we play it though, what is the upside of disclosing it? Lot's of coppers aren't really that familiar with the rules surrounding RPAL etc. so this may invite more scrutiny than it deserves. If asked if I had any weapons in the car then yes, I don't recommend lying to the police. If asked to see them I'd say they are locked and it is my understanding that they must remain that way. If he/she insist on seeing them then I would provide them with the key to the box and stand well back while they have a peek.

When we go to the range we usually take a couple of rifles and 3 handguns, we have a small SUV with tinted windows so they are all just in the back which is allowed.

The long and short of it is this. My advise to anyone being pulled over is to be polite, don't lie, and if asked something answer truthfully.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Murf will chime but if I am pulled over with a weapon in the vehicle I would immediately inform the officer, even if its my shotgun in the trunk as I go to bust some clays.

Be polite, answer the questions you are asked and don't offer up anything if you aren't breaking the laws.....I'd like to bust some clays.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Did I mention I miss donuts.....

Is it considered bad etiquette to slip a Tim Horton's gift card to an officer along with your license during a traffic stop?

Did I ever post here about a former co-worker who also served as police commissioner of a tiny local city? He believes that he is the only commissioner in the country who had to *order* the city's officers to patrol at their Dunkin Donuts, because it was the seediest business in town and they all avoided it.....