E90 rear-ended, question (pics)

StewtheBassman · 10-01-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Nikki never jokes.

The E90 does indeed have adaptive break lights. During a "panic stop" or otherwise heavy depression of the brake pedal, your brake lights will double in intensity. This is designed to let those behind you know you mean business (or really just to jar them from their daydream). Of course when the person behind you is not leaving enough distance for proper reaction time (as 99.9% of Americans don't), it's a moot point.

I just like saying "moot".

LedZep, leave the verbosity for Squawks!!

StewtheBassman · 10-01-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Nikki never jokes.

How about it Nikki, do you EVER joke?

BMW786 · 10-01-2005, 07:32 PM

Damn, that totally sucks (LedZep you too). Dealer plate and everything...I bet her co-worker won't hear the end of it, what are the odds. Did the airbags go off?

borahatch · 10-01-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW786

Damn, that totally sucks (LedZep you too). Dealer plate and everything...I bet her co-worker won't hear the end of it, what are the odds. Did the airbags go off?

No, the airbags didn't deploy. Thank God the accident wasn't serious enough for airbags to be used.

CA330i · 10-02-2005, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by borahatch

Thanks for all the quick replies. And thanks for the welcome! This site is great and I spend almost more time here than the G35 forums lol. LEDZEP, sorry to hear about your car. It truely sucks when things like this happen. She just got her car back. It was at the BMW dealer for over a month for some frame damage after she nicked a curb. One week out, and this... But no one was hurt and cars can be fixed.

I'm glad your sister is ok! Frame damage after nicking a curb? This makes me nervous - can you elaborate? Also, make sure she inspects the front end carefully. With all the crumple zones in cars today, sometimes the front can sustain damage even in a rear-ender.

Squawks · 10-02-2005, 03:10 AM

The thing I notice about most rear-end collisions is that there's usually permanent leakage, especially if the trunk evinces damage. I'd hose the car down all over and then inspect the insides for any leaking drops. German cars are most likely better engineered and built to brook quite a bit of impact than their Japanese competitors. Most Japanese cars suffer copious leaking that's nearly impossible to fix, even by a seasoned body shop.

borahatch · 10-02-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CA330i

I'm glad your sister is ok! Frame damage after nicking a curb? This makes me nervous - can you elaborate? Also, make sure she inspects the front end carefully. With all the crumple zones in cars today, sometimes the front can sustain damage even in a rear-ender.

Thanks. She was driving down the street (30-40mph), and dropped something in the passenger foot-well, she went to pick it up and as she came up, she noticed she was nearing a curb (the type that divide streets), she cut the wheel hard to the right. Her front left rim brushed the curb and her back left hit it pretty hard. The left rear rim and tire had all sorts of negative camber after the impact. We took it to the BMW dealer and they said it had frame damage. That's as much as I know about that, lol.

lux.sh · 10-02-2005, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Nikki never jokes.

The E90 does indeed have adaptive break lights. During a "panic stop" or otherwise heavy depression of the brake pedal, your brake lights will double in intensity. This is designed to let those behind you know you mean business (or really just to jar them from their daydream). Of course when the person behind you is not leaving enough distance for proper reaction time (as 99.9% of Americans don't), it's a moot point.

I just like saying "moot".

Holy crap. I didn't even know thing like that exist. thats awesome.

btw, sorry for getting off topic. I just had to find that out.

Mikey3 · 10-02-2005, 06:12 AM

these pictures make me cry.....

Bimmer325 · 10-02-2005, 08:53 AM

seeing these pics is getting me worried even more...my 325i is coming and i dont want this to happen to my first BMW, never ever!

Nikki · 10-02-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by StewtheBassman

How about it Nikki, do you EVER joke?

I joke, but not about technical things, about people.

StewtheBassman · 10-02-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer325

seeing these pics is getting me worried even more...my 325i is coming and i dont want this to happen to my first BMW, never ever!

I bought my FIRST ever BMW last May 31st, 2004. A black manual. I drove it for a week, went on vacation for another week, and then got rear ended as the last part of a three car fender bender in traffic. It jarred me and required a $444 paint job. Broke my heart for sure.

But then, March 10th, I was rear ended hard at a red light, and I said above, it was 10k to fix it. I sold it a month later.

grahamstine · 10-02-2005, 02:03 PM

Sorry to hear about your accident. I had my 2006 330i three weeks and some guys ran into the side of my car. Man I was bummed to say the least. I beleive it was his fault however that is to be determined by the insurance company. It was in a parking lot, nobody else saw it, and no tickets were issued. Now the guy has neck pains. It's rediculous. That's why insurance is so high, is cause of jerks like that. If I am found not at fault, I will most certainly go after diminished value. My car is currently in the shop getting both passenger side doors replaced. I just wanted my car fixed....not have to deal with this crap. It's a car though, it can be fixed. The parts will be hard to get since they are so new, but it will look and drive like new. Sorry again and good luck with the insurance. I just went ahead and paid my deducatable so I could get it fixed...hopefully I will be reembursed. That is my advice to you.

borahatch · 10-02-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by grahamstine

Sorry to hear about your accident. I had my 2006 330i three weeks and some guys ran into the side of my car. Man I was bummed to say the least. I beleive it was his fault however that is to be determined by the insurance company. It was in a parking lot, nobody else saw it, and no tickets were issued. Now the guy has neck pains. It's rediculous. That's why insurance is so high, is cause of jerks like that. If I am found not at fault, I will most certainly go after diminished value. My car is currently in the shop getting both passenger side doors replaced. I just wanted my car fixed....not have to deal with this crap. It's a car though, it can be fixed. The parts will be hard to get since they are so new, but it will look and drive like new. Sorry again and good luck with the insurance. I just went ahead and paid my deducatable so I could get it fixed...hopefully I will be reembursed. That is my advice to you.

Sorry to hear about your incident

. Hopefully, it all works out in your favor and your car is back on the road good as new. I'm confident my sister's car will be good as new b/c her car was PERFECT after it came out of the shop. Before, it felt so unsafe driving. It would go right while the wheel was pointed slightly left. At any rate, thanks for the advice and let us know how it turns out.

icedragon · 10-02-2005, 02:49 PM

Sorry to all owners with damaged BMWs. At least no one was seriously hurt, but I kno it's a hassle to get your car fixed.

itznin · 10-03-2005, 10:35 AM

I can't look..............

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mapezzul · 10-03-2005, 10:58 AM

I am sorry to hear of these incidents but I am glad everyone was alright!! I also have some concerns with the structure of the E90 after seeing the rear ends buckle like that. I have been rear ended on two seperate occasions while stopped in an '02 and '04 Audi A4 quattro. In neither case did the car buckle, The passengers and I were all fine and no issues. The first car was a mini van and that had severe damage and all the A4 needed was a new bumper cover and beam about a 25MPH hit. The second accident was more severe in the sense it acutally totalled the toyota camry that hit us, and there air bags deployed and basically destroyed the entire front of the car, the A4 took the hit through the struts in the bumper and beam and absorb the shock through the entire car, no frame damage, just the bumper cover, beam and bumper struts and the exhaust that was bent but NO body damage at all so not metal bent. After seeing these accidents I am a little worried about the structure of these cars not that they are not safe, I also have an MINI cooper s and I know it is safe but the car essentially gives its life to safe yours, I am wondering if the E90 is along the same lines? I just don't think a car should buckle like that unless it is severe enough to warrant the airbags. Any comments?
Once again I am glad all is well with everyone! Best of luck

Broken1 · 10-03-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mapezzul

I am sorry to hear of these incidents but I am glad everyone was alright!! I also have some concerns with the structure of the E90 after seeing the rear ends buckle like that. I have been rear ended on two seperate occasions while stopped in an '02 and '04 Audi A4 quattro. In neither case did the car buckle, The passengers and I were all fine and no issues. The first car was a mini van and that had severe damage and all the A4 needed was a new bumper cover and beam about a 25MPH hit. The second accident was more severe in the sense it acutally totalled the toyota camry that hit us, and there air bags deployed and basically destroyed the entire front of the car, the A4 took the hit through the struts in the bumper and beam and absorb the shock through the entire car, no frame damage, just the bumper cover, beam and bumper struts and the exhaust that was bent but NO body damage at all so not metal bent. After seeing these accidents I am a little worried about the structure of these cars not that they are not safe, I also have an MINI cooper s and I know it is safe but the car essentially gives its life to safe yours, I am wondering if the E90 is along the same lines? I just don't think a car should buckle like that unless it is severe enough to warrant the airbags. Any comments?
Once again I am glad all is well with everyone! Best of luck

I would rather my car suffers damage, then I get whiplash and battle with back problems the rest of my life. I once had an accident in my E46, and although the accident wasn't major - the car did suffer significant damage. I was totally unharmed, no whiplash, no seatbelt marks. I would rather me be perfect and my car be ruined. I can replace my car, my car cannot replace me

mr2uboy · 10-03-2005, 12:13 PM

I'm terribly sorry

. I feel your sister's pain and I know how she feels. I too was involved in an accident not too long ago. Just got my car back this past week, its been in the shop for 10 working days. My damage did not look extensive but the total cost was $3,325.00. If your sister don't need a loaner then have her claim for loss of use of the vehicle, the insurance co. paid me $258 for the loss of use of the vehicle for 9 days at $28/day. Make sure to take it to an approved BMW bodyshop. Hope all is well.

UncleWede · 10-03-2005, 12:30 PM

Rear airbags? If she was hit in the rear, the bags should not deploy unless she is forced hard enough into the car in front to deploy the bags.
They are called "crumple zones" for a reason, they crumple and absorb the impact, reducing the energy transferred to the occupants. Yes, they sacrifice themselves to protect the cargo. Just like car bodies, once human bodies are damaged they often never regain their former mobility, but unlike car bodies, they can't (yet) be replaced.

mapezzul · 10-03-2005, 05:16 PM

This was my exact point..... like I said before, Audi have a strut system within the rear of the car that takes the hit and forces the energy around the paasenger cabin, I HAD NO INJURY, and still am fine. The struts absorb the impact like a crumple zone.... except it does not do damage the car in the same amount as a crumple zone, also if the impact is severe enough the impact will force the rear to crumple. My question is why doesn't BMW do the same thing... I realize it is more expensive than using plastic pellets but in all seriousness I rather have a car that is not crumpled and be ok than have a crumpled car and be OK that is just silly. When I was hit the impact was severe enough to total the car that rear ended me and have all of the airbags deploy in that car. From what I read this accident was not even as severe and the car buckled. I guess I was expecting a little more from BMW... that is all. I am a bit dissapointed and I am also a little dissapointed in the replies to my post. I know cars in and out and safety as well.... and I am obviously not a BMW homer, and that makes a difference I guess.

Accounting4Speed · 10-03-2005, 05:37 PM

I have been in a very similar situation, about a year ago. I used to have a 2002.5 VW Jetta 1.8t (you'd be amazed what a chip and coilovers do to that car, had about 215bhp and 250lb/ft). Anyway, I was driving home on the freeway and got rearended. I was doing 50mph, while the other car I estimate at around 70mph. The impact threw the car forward, but thanks to the suspension, she kept travelling straight. Upon inspecting the damage, the rear valence was toast, the bumper had absorbed a great deal of the impact, but there was a little warping to the quarter panel and trunk. The total to repair the car under insurance was about $3,500. Had there been frame damage, the bill would have been considerably larger. When getting your car repaired, the important things to ask about are what paints they use, how they cure the paint, what machines they use to repair panels and frames, and how they measure the repair? Cross check their answers with what are considered good quality and you will know if you're getting a good deal on a GOOD repair.

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BMW786 Lieutenant 28 Rep 537 Posts Drives: SGraphite90 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Bay, CA iTrader: (1)	Damn, that totally sucks (LedZep you too). Dealer plate and everything...I bet her co-worker won't hear the end of it, what are the odds. Did the airbags go off?
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Squawks One of my two dachshunds: 53 Rep 663 Posts Drives: B6 A4 3.0 Quattro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ithaca, NY iTrader: (0)	The thing I notice about most rear-end collisions is that there's usually permanent leakage, especially if the trunk evinces damage. I'd hose the car down all over and then inspect the insides for any leaking drops. German cars are most likely better engineered and built to brook quite a bit of impact than their Japanese competitors. Most Japanese cars suffer copious leaking that's nearly impossible to fix, even by a seasoned body shop.
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10-02-2005, 06:12 AM	#31
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grahamstine Enlisted Member 2 Rep 38 Posts Drives: 2006 BMW 330i Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boulder, CO iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	Sorry to hear about your accident. I had my 2006 330i three weeks and some guys ran into the side of my car. Man I was bummed to say the least. I beleive it was his fault however that is to be determined by the insurance company. It was in a parking lot, nobody else saw it, and no tickets were issued. Now the guy has neck pains. It's rediculous. That's why insurance is so high, is cause of jerks like that. If I am found not at fault, I will most certainly go after diminished value. My car is currently in the shop getting both passenger side doors replaced. I just wanted my car fixed....not have to deal with this crap. It's a car though, it can be fixed. The parts will be hard to get since they are so new, but it will look and drive like new. Sorry again and good luck with the insurance. I just went ahead and paid my deducatable so I could get it fixed...hopefully I will be reembursed. That is my advice to you.
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10-03-2005, 10:35 AM	#38
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10-03-2005, 10:58 AM	#39
mapezzul Special Agent 74 Rep 1,731 Posts Drives: Depends on the day! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bavaria iTrader: (1)	WOW I am sorry to hear of these incidents but I am glad everyone was alright!! I also have some concerns with the structure of the E90 after seeing the rear ends buckle like that. I have been rear ended on two seperate occasions while stopped in an '02 and '04 Audi A4 quattro. In neither case did the car buckle, The passengers and I were all fine and no issues. The first car was a mini van and that had severe damage and all the A4 needed was a new bumper cover and beam about a 25MPH hit. The second accident was more severe in the sense it acutally totalled the toyota camry that hit us, and there air bags deployed and basically destroyed the entire front of the car, the A4 took the hit through the struts in the bumper and beam and absorb the shock through the entire car, no frame damage, just the bumper cover, beam and bumper struts and the exhaust that was bent but NO body damage at all so not metal bent. After seeing these accidents I am a little worried about the structure of these cars not that they are not safe, I also have an MINI cooper s and I know it is safe but the car essentially gives its life to safe yours, I am wondering if the E90 is along the same lines? I just don't think a car should buckle like that unless it is severe enough to warrant the airbags. Any comments? Once again I am glad all is well with everyone! Best of luck
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10-03-2005, 12:13 PM	#41
mr2uboy New Member 4 Rep 20 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burlingame Ca. iTrader: (0)	I'm terribly sorry . I feel your sister's pain and I know how she feels. I too was involved in an accident not too long ago. Just got my car back this past week, its been in the shop for 10 working days. My damage did not look extensive but the total cost was $3,325.00. If your sister don't need a loaner then have her claim for loss of use of the vehicle, the insurance co. paid me $258 for the loss of use of the vehicle for 9 days at $28/day. Make sure to take it to an approved BMW bodyshop. Hope all is well. Attached Images __________________ 330i AW Beige Leather interior A/T Packages: Sport, Premium, Cold Power rear sunshade Sat. prep.
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UncleWede Long Time Admirer, First Time Owner 18027 Rep 9,378 Posts Drives: G01 X3 M40i Dark Graphite Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oxnard, CA iTrader: (0)	Rear airbags? If she was hit in the rear, the bags should not deploy unless she is forced hard enough into the car in front to deploy the bags. They are called "crumple zones" for a reason, they crumple and absorb the impact, reducing the energy transferred to the occupants. Yes, they sacrifice themselves to protect the cargo. Just like car bodies, once human bodies are damaged they often never regain their former mobility, but unlike car bodies, they can't (yet) be replaced.
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10-03-2005, 05:16 PM	#43
mapezzul Special Agent 74 Rep 1,731 Posts Drives: Depends on the day! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bavaria iTrader: (1)	This was my exact point..... like I said before, Audi have a strut system within the rear of the car that takes the hit and forces the energy around the paasenger cabin, I HAD NO INJURY, and still am fine. The struts absorb the impact like a crumple zone.... except it does not do damage the car in the same amount as a crumple zone, also if the impact is severe enough the impact will force the rear to crumple. My question is why doesn't BMW do the same thing... I realize it is more expensive than using plastic pellets but in all seriousness I rather have a car that is not crumpled and be ok than have a crumpled car and be OK that is just silly. When I was hit the impact was severe enough to total the car that rear ended me and have all of the airbags deploy in that car. From what I read this accident was not even as severe and the car buckled. I guess I was expecting a little more from BMW... that is all. I am a bit dissapointed and I am also a little dissapointed in the replies to my post. I know cars in and out and safety as well.... and I am obviously not a BMW homer, and that makes a difference I guess.
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10-03-2005, 05:37 PM	#44
Accounting4Speed Kind of a Big Deal 33 Rep 202 Posts Drives: 330i Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0)	I have been in a very similar situation, about a year ago. I used to have a 2002.5 VW Jetta 1.8t (you'd be amazed what a chip and coilovers do to that car, had about 215bhp and 250lb/ft). Anyway, I was driving home on the freeway and got rearended. I was doing 50mph, while the other car I estimate at around 70mph. The impact threw the car forward, but thanks to the suspension, she kept travelling straight. Upon inspecting the damage, the rear valence was toast, the bumper had absorbed a great deal of the impact, but there was a little warping to the quarter panel and trunk. The total to repair the car under insurance was about $3,500. Had there been frame damage, the bill would have been considerably larger. When getting your car repaired, the important things to ask about are what paints they use, how they cure the paint, what machines they use to repair panels and frames, and how they measure the repair? Cross check their answers with what are considered good quality and you will know if you're getting a good deal on a GOOD repair.
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