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One other factor in this debate: the lease product (for us, at least) was MUCH better (read: chaper) on the X7 versus the Range Rover. The overall cost of ownership/month on our 2019 X7 is much less compared to our 2018 Range Rover (even when you account for the approximate $10,000 delta in MSRP of our RR over our X7), and our 2020 760i, which MSRP’d significantly higher than the RR, is still less in terms of cost of ownership/month. The RR collected dust after we acquired the X7 and 760i. It just felt tired and dated. The cameras often didn’t turn on. Suspension issues (where the vehicle was stuck at highest setting). But I will tell you this, it almost always received front row parking at valets and turned the most heads. It is a stunning vehicle in my humble opinion.
Our X7 has had its own issues. We had to return our first to the dealer in what essentially became a “lemon”. Our second had a faulty LED corona around one of the front headlights which went dead and required multiple trips to the dealer to figure out the problem (it’s still dimmer than the other three but not noticeable enough for me to bother taking it back in). All that said, this truly is a matter of what works for the individual and what makes him/her happy. I still don’t think the typical X7 buyer cross shops the RRS, but I could see them cross shopping the RR. Respectfully submitted. |
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There is no point in arguing with anyone over why they picked Vehicle A over Vehicle B. There are statistics and ownership experience. Statistics say one thing but if a person's ownership differs then what the stats say, they may still choose it.
We all know how troublesome German cars can be but yet we still pick them. I have had pretty crap luck with Mercedes and will likely not go back to them unless BMW decides to give me serious issues which I have yet to experience. I also have a MINI which we all know can be worse than BMW's especially with the R56 chassis but I have yet to experience any issues that couldn't be fixed with a I Level update and would consider a new MINI if I decide to replace my current one. Range Rovers on the other hand, for the amount of them sold and the frequency of how many I see come on a flat bed (almost everyday, I work beside a Land Rover/Jaguar dealership), I would never consider them on that alone. |
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The V8 SC is nowhere near as fast as the V8 BMW. It feels more akin to the X5 4.0 in speed and dynamically it's miles away. I cross shopped the RRS V8 Dynamic before opting for the 6 cyl due to the V8 dynamic still not being sporty nor fast. I have the HSE 6 cyl it's nowhere near as fast as current gen X5 4.0 Autobiography is over 100k it better be nice inside Tech who cares? I care it's so slow and non intuitive. It shuts down and is slow to start up. it's brutal and has no place in a vehicle costing this much
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Why cant people discuss merits of each vehicle and why the chose one model or the other without being labeled "fan boys" and "butt hurt"? It's pretty idiotic after all we are on a bmw forum so assume we are generally bmw enthusiasts. And if you find this thread pointless, perhaps there is somewhere else you could go. I for one enjoy learning about the two perspectives from owners and potential owners.
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My parents being in that category. I have a lowly M4, but I have had experience with high end vehicles vehicles parents have a 2019 Range Rover (full size) Autiobiography, a 2015 MB G63, 2017 Porsche 9114s and the newest - 2020 750i (which replaced an 17 MB S550) . I have driven them all, and sorry but the 7-Series is my least favorite even though it makes the rest seem quite old from a tech standpoint. It's packed with amazing, newest tech (because it is the newest), it handles better than them all (with exception of the Porsche obviously). With that said, it feels pedestrian. I have never driven the X7 but I'm sure it offers a similar experience. Cruising in town, sitting up high in a new Range Rover is just feels more glamorous and special than the BMW; the leather feels higher quality, better ambiance, and the Meridian sound system is the best I have ever heard in any vehicle with the exception of the Naim in the Bentley. Better than the Bowers & Wilkins in the 750i. People in the $100k price range are more drawn to that experience...which is why the elderly and more expensive Range Rover outsells the brand new state of the art 7 Series 2:1. The car reviewer stated his opinion and others are allowed to state their own option. Last edited by balmain; 08-19-2019 at 09:03 PM.. |
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Wealthy does not mean knowledgeable. And no, Range Rover does not drive better than a bimmer in any way. I will take an X3/X4/X6 anytime and have some money left too, not to mention a better engineering, better driving dynamics (a dresser has no {aero} dynamics) and a better package as a whole. Not to mention reliability. Sound system relies on many things, including the number of speakers, amplifier's class, materials and arrangement of speakers. For the money, E84 X1 Harman Kardon system with two subwoofers under front seats blows out of the water even the new Evoque's system. That 10 years old X1 with less HP makes 0-60 in 6.4 while the new Evoque needs 6.9. BMW comes with double anticorrosive warranty... And so on... There are people out there that want to see value for the money and Range Rover doesn't come even close. |
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Reliability aside (we don’t know the parameters for JD Power ratings) Range Rover exudes class. It’s just a handsome vehicle. The prestige and road presence far outweighs anything BMW can do. This cannot be denied. The luxury suv market is small, too. If money is flowing, not too many will choose a bmw over a Range at first glance.
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A) Another link has been provided here that showed the X7 has outsold the RR in the first quarter of this year. No other stats matter, because that’s the first quarter it was ever even sold. B) The British Royal Family drives Range Rovers and Aston Martins because they are British cars. If there were a German royal family, they likely wouldn’t drive those brands. C) Aston Martin is not “universally accepted as being at the pinnacle of class and prestige.” You personally, and even your friends, might think that, but that doesn’t mean everyone else does. Are you really saying that it is more prestigious than a Rolls Royce? I’m pretty well versed in “prestigious cars”; I’ve ridden in both multiple times, and there is a clear difference. I’m not here to say that my opinion is fact — just that yours isn’t a clear cut definition of what everyone else thinks. D) Most M drivers don’t move UP to Porsche. We have both, and while they’re both incredible vehicles, our M5 is faster than the 911. Hell, it’s even faster than our Ferrari off the line (certainly not the quarter mile, but I digress). The M5 and the 911s cost around the same thing (115-125ish), so one is not necessarily a step up from the other. They’re completely different kinds of cars. E) I have four good friends who drive new Range Rovers. I have ridden in their cars. They are nowhere near as nice — inside or out — as my X7. Not saying all X7’s are that nice, but you can certainly spec one to be. Finally, may I suggest that you join a Range Rover forum? I’m certain that they’d be more receptive to your analysis. You can’t be surprised that those in this group find your opinions a bit polarizing. We researched this car, spent a ton of money on it, and are invested enough to come here during our free time to talk about it. |
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LOL. Evoque, X1, X2, and the rest of that economy segment belong in the trash in my opinion. Why would I even think of these economy vehicles? What do they have to do with this thread? Last edited by balmain; 08-20-2019 at 11:32 AM.. |
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The base price for an X7 is $73,000 and the average list price for optioned ones on the market is $88,000 according to Truecar. There are no Range Rovers priced at $88,000 since it starts at $91k. The average price for a new Range Rover is $115,000 (I excluded the outrageously priced top trim Range Rover SVAutiobigraphy ones since they are $200k and skew results). X7 is brand new state of the art, in a different segment (3 row) and price category and (MB GLS, Escalade category) and should be selling in much bigger volumes than Range Rover but they don't. Any new vehicle debuts with a with huge sales spike, but how it sales throughout the rest of the year will paint the accurate story. The X7 is at its peak hike and only 100 more units than the old, more expensive Range Rover last month. Not exactly a rousing success. Again, Range Rovers are more expensive and the lease rates are different (very high with the Range Rover, reasonable with the X7). And judging by how the X7 has fallen off of a cliff sales wise (40% decline in one month), while the Range Rover remains steady, the far more expensive and elderly Range Rover will probably overtake it again ..next month. Not exactly an amazing showing for the so-called best SUV in the world. B) It's not only the British Royal family, Range Rover is the top selling car in the $100k+ price point. Period. It is currently the 'it' car among the upper classes. The Range Rover exudes elegance and style in a way the X7 will never. They are the best, which is why they're the top selling $100k vehicle in both the United States and Europe. The market can't be wrong. If it's so underwhelming like some of you guys are saying, no one would be buying them. People who can afford cars like this aren't stupid. C) Yes, they're nicer. Highly dependent on the year. I have driven and ridden in a 2019 Range Rover Autobiography and it's a nicer environment than the X7. The interior style is cleaner while retaining very posh materials. D) Finally, may I suggest that you join a Range Rover forum? I’m certain that they’d be more receptive to your analysis. You can’t be surprised that those in this group find your opinions a bit polarizing. We researched this car, spent a ton of money on it, and are invested enough to come here during our free time to talk about it. What do you do when you have both vehicles? Last edited by balmain; 08-20-2019 at 12:21 PM.. |
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