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      06-06-2020, 12:05 PM   #67
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Many of the options that were dropped where based on low take rates.
Would all these changes, apply to X7 in general or just the US market ?
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Even the merino leather? I'm a bit surprised.
I see you're a MB owner (we owned a GL 550 and two GLS 550's) and Mercedes dropped the designo option in their 2020 GLE/GLS models. We had designo leather in our last GLS 550 and love it. We have Full Merino Leather in our 2019 50i and love it. We may trade it on a 2021 Alpina XB7 which offers Full Merino Leather as a $1500 option. Someone else on this thread commented BMW may have dropped the 50i and Full Merino Leather because of the upcoming XB7. I think he's onto something.
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Even the merino leather? I'm a bit surprised.
I see you're a MB owner (we owned a GL 550 and two GLS 550) and Mercedes dropped the designo option in their 2020 GLE/GLS models. We have Full Merino Leather in our 2019 50i and love it. We may trade it on a 2021 Alpina XB7 will has Full Merino Leather as a $1500 option.
Someone else on this thread commented BMW may have dropped the 50i and Full Merino Leather because of the upcoming XB7. I think he's onto something.
Yes both my CLS and the Mrs' GLC have the designo leather, we love the higher quality feel compared to that of the regular leathers and it really makes the interiors feel more special, plus the color options are really nice, an absolute must on our options list.

One of the reasons I actually dislike the GLE and GLS is the lack of higher quality materials and leather. Designo is weirdly only available on AMG trims, and the door bins are plastic while shockingly our GLC 300, which is the base trim, offers soft touch door bins (even w/ MB-Tex) as well as Designo leather as an option, despite being lower in the lineup. I'm not sure if this is due to the supply chain issues that MB is suffering from with the GLE/GLS. If we were shopping Mid-Size the X5's interior is easily top of its class, but we didn't need a vehicle that big so we went GLC after trying out the X3, but not liking the dated interior or seats which were uncomfortable after long periods of time.

Anyways, one of the things I loved from the X5/6/7 was the Merino leather, if I bought one it is a must (it's especially good looking in Ivory White) so I was quite surprised to see it no longer an option. Maybe BMW is also cutting back or having supply issues due to Corona?
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Would all these changes, apply to X7 in general or just the US market ?
Pretty sure only the US (if it's due to the take-rate). I can't imagine BMW would get away with something like that, say, in Germany.

I get the idea of a low take-rate of specific options but let's not forget that the customer pays quite a lot for a BMW in the first place. We are not talking Honda or Kia here where on size fits it all. The X7 is a luxury vehicle and you expect luxury options to be available and the few that actually pick them pay far more for them than what they actually cost for that particular build - so in other words, you are already paying for the low take rate.

Now, if there is a supply-issue, it's a completely different story and excusable.
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Pretty sure only the US (if it's due to the take-rate). I can't imagine BMW would get away with something like that, say, in Germany.

I get the idea of a low take-rate of specific options but let's not forget that the customer pays quite a lot for a BMW in the first place. We are not talking Honda or Kia here where on size fits it all. The X7 is a luxury vehicle and you expect luxury options to be available and the few that actually pick them pay far more for them than what they actually cost for that particular build - so in other words, you are already paying for the low take rate.

Now, if there is a supply-issue, it's a completely different story and excusable.
Can't be a supply issue as they aren't pulling these things off the X5, and they sell more of those. At least they should make the options available for the M50i since clearly that customer is pushing for something that is at a higher price and may want all the bells and whistles.

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I think it's obvious that since the X7 is a 3 tier system in 2021, they needed to give some love to the Alpina that allowed you to get something the others couldn't get...ie Full Ivory Merino.
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Pretty sure only the US (if it's due to the take-rate). I can't imagine BMW would get away with something like that, say, in Germany.

I get the idea of a low take-rate of specific options but let's not forget that the customer pays quite a lot for a BMW in the first place. We are not talking Honda or Kia here where on size fits it all. The X7 is a luxury vehicle and you expect luxury options to be available and the few that actually pick them pay far more for them than what they actually cost for that particular build - so in other words, you are already paying for the low take rate.

Now, if there is a supply-issue, it's a completely different story and excusable.
Can't be a supply issue as they aren't pulling these things off the X5, and they sell more of those. At least they should make the options available for the M50i since clearly that customer is pushing for something that is at a higher price and may want all the bells and whistles.

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Can't be a supply issue as they aren't pulling these things off the X5, and they sell more of those.
If you review the ordering and pricing guides for all models:

2021 X7 Ordering and Pricing Guides https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1727832

BMWNA has removed options on the X5s - removed full Merino leather, rear seat entertainment package, ZOR, leather dash and alcantara headliner in 40i, Integral Active Steering unless you're order M50i with ZHP. Removed massage feature from ZLS Luxury Seating Package and charge as an extra $1K option bring it up to $400 more than 2020 ZLS which included it but no changes to X7 ZLS or price increase.

There are no to limited changes in options for EU market. If it wasn't supply issue it would affect more markets.
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They also removed the leather dash as well! Wow, one of the reasons I loved the X5 was the amazing materials, guess 2021+ models will be a huge downgrade in material quality.
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For me it's a 2020 or 2021 X7 M50i...

If I wait for a 2021 I can FINALLY do a 2nd road bench in Tartufo (captains only in Tartufo for 2020) but I CANNOT do Rear Seat Entertainment which will be a bummer to my 6 year old, 4 year old, and Newborn. Ugh.

2nd row Tartufo vs Rear Seat Entertainment (3 kids).

Is the Rear Seat Entertainment worth it????
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For me it's a 2020 or 2021 X7 M50i...

If I wait for a 2021 I can FINALLY do a 2nd road bench in Tartufo (captains only in Tartufo for 2020) but I CANNOT do Rear Seat Entertainment which will be a bummer to my 6 year old, 4 year old, and Newborn. Ugh.

2nd row Tartufo vs Rear Seat Entertainment (3 kids).

Is the Rear Seat Entertainment worth it????
Go for 2020, RSE with kids is nice in that you can control it and full-merino leather is an absolute must have option in my opinion, even if you can't get Tartufo.
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You can option RSE and Full Merino Leather in the Alpina XB7. Only an extra $50K. Go for it, you only live once.

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Is the Rear Seat Entertainment worth it????
Hands down, the best in the market. Hooked up an Amazon Fire TV to it and now I can watch live TV...
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For me it's a 2020 or 2021 X7 M50i...

If I wait for a 2021 I can FINALLY do a 2nd road bench in Tartufo (captains only in Tartufo for 2020) but I CANNOT do Rear Seat Entertainment which will be a bummer to my 6 year old, 4 year old, and Newborn. Ugh.

2nd row Tartufo vs Rear Seat Entertainment (3 kids).

Is the Rear Seat Entertainment worth it????
Tartufo with a bench would make my wife a lot happier! Where did you hear this?
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For me it's a 2020 or 2021 X7 M50i...

If I wait for a 2021 I can FINALLY do a 2nd road bench in Tartufo (captains only in Tartufo for 2020) but I CANNOT do Rear Seat Entertainment which will be a bummer to my 6 year old, 4 year old, and Newborn. Ugh.

2nd row Tartufo vs Rear Seat Entertainment (3 kids).

Is the Rear Seat Entertainment worth it????
Something to consider, and I don't know the answer to this, is that the RSE could (and should) be a retro-fitable BMW accessory. Unfortunately, if it is, it will be more expensive when purchased after the fact. How much : ....??
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I am assuming that this will be a software update, possibly rear sensors/proximity sensors would be disabled/limited.
I think I see the coding for this, but what exactly is the issue?

How do I repo, fix then retest?

Is it an issue that impacts the G05 as well?
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Go for 2020, RSE with kids is nice in that you can control it and full-merino leather is an absolute must have option in my opinion, even if you can't get Tartufo.
Yeah, you're right. I'm convinced I'll regret not having RSE with the kids being so young right now.

I am definitely a fan of Full leather (have it in my '18 F80) but can live with Extended leather even without the leather dash. From what I understand the door sills on Extended are still leather, just not the lower doors, which is fine. REALLY want the Tartufo and still going back and forth between captains where I can add it and bench where I can't (in 2020).
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Hands down, the best in the market. Hooked up an Amazon Fire TV to it and now I can watch live TV...
Yeah, you're totally convincing me the rear seat entertainment is a must have option w 3 kids...
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Tartufo with a bench would make my wife a lot happier! Where did you hear this?
Yes, mine too! Tartufo available in bench for 2021, not in 2020 - according to the build guides just released. Just can't add rear-seat entertainment AT ALL in 2021 which blows.
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Something to consider, and I don't know the answer to this, is that the RSE could (and should) be a retro-fitable BMW accessory. Unfortunately, if it is, it will be more expensive when purchased after the fact. How much : ....??
Yeah, I wouldn't consider retro'ing it in after the fact. Really want it factory installed. Sounds expensive if retro.
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Many of the options that were dropped where based on low take rates.
Limiting options on flagship models is not competitive. I suspect the key reason is not the low take rates but the pandemic related supply interruption and reduced demand for new cars.
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Hands down, the best in the market. Hooked up an Amazon Fire TV to it and now I can watch live TV...
Yeah, you're totally convincing me the rear seat entertainment is a must have option w 3 kids...
I honestly couldn't buy a car for my family without it. (Kids are 8,6,3)... total game changer. Want to take a long Sunday drive without the kids freaking out? Done!
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This is disappointing - finally made the decision to jump to SUV-world with the X7 in February of 2021 - night vision is a must for me (spoiled by it), so if it's not available by then not sure what to do.. maybe look used?
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