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View Poll Results: Please BMW M ... bring for the fans an M3/M4CSL with and lightly modified S65 !?l | |||
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05-09-2014, 02:52 AM | #1 |
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M3/M4 CSL with S65 engine !?
Because of the not overall good engine review ... whats about an limited F8x M3/M4 CSL with an lightly modified S65, the old M-DCT and some nice CRT-Seats?
As I said some times before, the new M3/M4 is an very good car and an more than worthy new M3 ... but with an lightly modified S65 with 440-460hp and 430-450Nm this car would be the absolute burner and dream M3 !!! |
05-09-2014, 09:16 AM | #3 |
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Its not going to happen...
But not everybody has issues with the engine...
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05-09-2014, 09:39 AM | #4 |
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Most of the negativity around the engine relates to the engine note and slower throttle response than the S65. Most of the reviews love the added torque and are impressed by how responsive it is, *for a turbo engine*.
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05-09-2014, 10:00 AM | #5 |
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That´s right ... sadly
But many well known car journalists make such comments ... and in my point of view "good for an turbo engine" is also no 10 of 10 comment ! The new M3/M4 loose a lot of its in 40 years of development perfected engine characteristics, that seems to be an fact. Would be interesting what SPORTAUTO have to say about this engine ... the comments on the 430hp Alpina B3 I6 BiTurbo were not so good - in terms of drivin´g on track. |
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05-09-2014, 07:53 PM | #7 |
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More info.....> And you need to wear a parachute to drive it !
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Putting a lower performance engine into this car is just nonsense, besides the fact a higher output CSL version would be easier to achieve with a turbo engine anyways. |
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05-26-2014, 06:20 AM | #9 | |
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As I said before ... I bet an F8xM3/M4 with an slighly modified S65 with ~440hp and 430Nm would be minimum as fast as the same car with the S55 - but with much more emotional fun because of the engine characteristics. |
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05-26-2014, 07:35 AM | #11 | |
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BUT my problem with the new engine is not that the great S65 has died ... if all car brands drops their NA-engine because of fuel milage laws, we have to accept this. What I will not except is, that they choose the layout of the S55 mainly because of cost reduction reasons ... there are some other engines in the BMW engine portfolio that are much better suited for an M turbo engine with an racing like engine characteristic than the N55(N54). AND I an no dreamer, but for me its totally clear, that the new M3/M4 is not so fast because of its engine, but in spite of his engine ... there are many other things in the new M3/M4, which make its as fast as it is. |
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05-26-2014, 08:41 AM | #13 | |
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Why should I buy an clearly inferior car, if the new one also looks so much better. This is no E9xM3 vs. F8xM3/M4 thing !!! |
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Same applies here. |
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05-26-2014, 09:04 AM | #15 | |
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So what the S55 could really better than the S65 ... except more torque and better gas milage ??? |
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05-26-2014, 10:17 AM | #17 | |
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And according to my informations the S55 weights 205kg - complete with all parts(!) ... and new M-DCT(as best gearbox option) is also some kg heavier than the old one ... so engine and gearbox weights the same, if S65 and it DCT weights not a little bit less ... doesn´t count much, but less weight is so also no proper argument !!! |
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05-26-2014, 10:55 AM | #19 | |
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also, people need to stop bitching about the cost efficiencies of the S55. take a look at how steady they kept the price compared to the outgoing M3. I think most would agree that the price is quite fair (frustrations over the exec pack bundling, notwithstanding). also, I'm curious - what better engine platform within their lineup was there for them to use? |
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05-26-2014, 11:08 AM | #21 |
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those aren't existing engine platforms. they'd never use the V8 since the M3 always has historically had two fewer cylinders than the M5/6, and making a V6 out of that block isn't nearly as simple as lopping off two cylinders.
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05-26-2014, 11:13 AM | #22 |
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the reality is that BMW has wisely (I think, but time will tell), steered toward a cost-efficient 6 cylinder platform that's still capable of big power.
although I would have wished for a tweaked S65 V8 (I think with direct injection and improved tuning, they could have easily squeezed an extra 50hp out of it with ever-so-slightly improved MPG), and I would have happily paid a significant premium for it (I'm thinking they would have priced it $20k higher), it just isn't the way the wind is blowing these days over in Europe. |
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