[bono]

Not sure who are you referring to. I didn't say v8 is young away. Llyam5 is crying that hybrid is replacing great v8.

Originally Posted by xlover

I think the confusion comes from the fact your post makes no sense. The V8 isn't going away…. It's being upgraded and having a mild hybrid assist added

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Originally Posted by xlover

The mild hybrid adds nowhere near that much weight, you are confusing it with the plug in hybrid implementation. PHEV, Much bigger motor and much bigger batteries. The plug ins can drive on ev only at highway speeds and for ~30miles. As far as the inside info we have, x7 is getting no plug in option this generation.

So much misinformation and confusion out there from those commenting without doing detailed research… everyone in such a hurry to get their "get off my lawn" post up.

The mild hybrids have a small battery and small motor to help the car start rolling during ASS restart as well as a small torque boost during turbo spool up and full throttle. Negligible impact on weight. Today every 40i B58 bmw sells already has the mild hybrid setup including x7 40i, all that is happening is the system is being added to the new v8 and possibly being upgraded to generate more boost

Uh oh… no need to get antsy. It's just a forum…

Lest, you did not provide any numbers on weight increase of mild hybrid versus pure-play ICE.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by Tr4ckD4ys

Uh oh… no need to get antsy. It's just a forum… maybe you need to go steam off a little in the real world?

Lest, you did not provide any numbers on weight increase of mild hybrid versus pure-play ICE. Either way, hope you're feeling better now that you got it off your chest!

???

[jsmonet]

it's a deflection tactic to attempt to eschew the correction lobbed in his general direction

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by bono

Not sure who are you referring to. I didn't say v8 is young away. Llyam5 is crying that hybrid is replacing great v8.

Nobody said the v8 is going away. The point was - that the great v8 we have in m50 now and especially nice v8 in m5 and x5m code s63 is not going to be used anymore and no further development in this area is planned
The whole research and development at bmw is going towards hybrid technology.
M5 and x5 m are going to be hit the hardest since new s68 v8 in those cars is going to be paired with full on hybrid drive. We at least have some details on that from xm preview

Same s68 engine designed with hybrid technology in mind is going in m60 x7 and x5. No real details yet on output except it is going to be milder hybrid vs m5 and x5m

[k23435]

Some cross-pollination from the other bimmerpost forums, the recent i7 teaser video can give an indication on what the X7 LCI DRLs might look like. I wish they would have shown with the head lights on as well:

[k23435]

Personally, I prefer the head light & DRL execution of Audi:

[don20111]

I will not be buying an x7 with split headlights, looks fing awful

[gsobol]

I think the X7 LCI designers came from the Rolls-Royce side of the business. There is too much of Cullinan in that front end.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

I think mystro as usual is spot on. This change is way too soon for the x7. X5 is getting new engines and lci in April 23. And x5 came out before x7. Why rush x7? Its the best big suv on the market now especially with m50 trim and great v8

I agree - it will be a rush to buy current my22s. m50s especially.
Way to go to kill a nice car.
Ugly face
Ipad stuck to the dash
Hybrid engine- the worst one-of the three

No one asked for a hybrid to replace a great v8. They should have made a separate hybrid model to satisfy green party. Now they are going to throw a ton of weight on a great car to gain maybe 30 miles of electric range if driven like a grandma.. the weight will ruin the handling. And the complexity will decrease reliability. Look at issues with 45e x5
Im particularly sad for m models. X5m and m5 are going to suffer the most. Buy one now.

You should go drive some Porsche E Hybrid models if you think a PHEV will ruin a vehicle. If BMW prioritizes speed and performance over efficiency (as Porsche did) you will get a very fast vehicle that can get 30mpg without driving it slow or in electric only. Honestly, unless I am getting a pure sports car, I will never go back to only ICE.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

You should go drive some Porsche E Hybrid models if you think a PHEV will ruin a vehicle. If BMW prioritizes speed and performance over efficiency (as Porsche did) you will get a very fast vehicle that can get 30mpg without driving it slow or in electric only. Honestly, unless I am getting a pure sports car, I will never go back to only ICE.

I may be there with a Cayenne Turbo in 5 years. It all depends on the design path of BMW,MB and Porsche. I will sacrifice some luggage space for a design and performance that I instantly love. I am not one that “needs” to get use to a design. I have been in the game too long to not know what look I like. My luxury SUV ‘s main priority is long distance travel and full on luxury with performance over the 500hp mark.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

You should go drive some Porsche E Hybrid models if you think a PHEV will ruin a vehicle. If BMW prioritizes speed and performance over efficiency (as Porsche did) you will get a very fast vehicle that can get 30mpg without driving it slow or in electric only. Honestly, unless I am getting a pure sports car, I will never go back to only ICE.

I agree with you - that choice to have different drives is good and some people swear by hybrids. I can see the benefits of commuting on electric power only and not using infrastructure to charge it, just using gas engine to top of batteries.
But as far as performance go - there is no way around it. Biggest negatives for performance is - weight and drive train complexity.

Well designed Ice cars have so much development behind them - they outperform the best hybrids for now - even Porsche ones
918 - being the top of them for a 1mil dollars
it is still 3 seconds slower around VIR vs GT3 or 911 turbo for 1/4 the money
Same goes for SUVs - Cayenne Turbo SUV is fastest around VIR

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

[LemonOne]

I approve

[MELLOWYELLOW06]

They are taking the original Rolls Phantom approach.

Its not horrible, but BMW is slowly losing its distinctive originality
everytime they try to make a subtle change lately.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by MELLOWYELLOW06

They are taking the original Rolls Phantom approach.

Its not horrible, but BMW is slowly losing its distinctive originality
everytime they try to make a subtle change lately.

That’s just it and we are watching the BMW design identity slip away with every little change. If we as BMW customers care so much about the “BMW look”, why doesnt the hired hand designers at BMW???

[gsobol]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

That’s just it and we are watching the BMW design identity slip away with every little change. If we as BMW customers care so much about the “BMW look”, why doesnt the hired hand designers at BMW???

Well, if the particular look, and static identity was a factor we would still be wearing top hats .... just saying.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by gsobol

Well, if the particular look, and static identity was a factor we would still be wearing top hats .... just saying.

I refer you to the most legendary sports car the 911 and it’s evolutionary design. It’s steadfast design is a big factor why it has held this title so long.

[gsobol]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

I refer you to the most legendary sports car the 911 and it’s evolutionary design. It’s steadfast design is a big factor why it has held this title so long.

You are right, even after close to 60 years of redesigns, you still will not mistaken 911 for anything else but 911. Even though all the so called 911 purists are bashing every single new design since 1990's.

However, the top hat has been around for more than 200 years. Let's see how 911 will fare in that time frame ....

[Technic]

What all new hardware was that?

Originally Posted by MystroX5

You forgot new engine.

This is someone that has lived both new BMW platform and more importantly new iDrive 7 beta tester. The 2020 iDrive 7 got all new hardware from the 2019 iDrive7 1st year production.
There will be 1st year iDrive 8 issues that has not even happened yet. It’s just the way BMW tech works. I and a few others practically worked on the G05 forum for the first year figuring out issues and sorting through multiple firmware updates. I have hours working with higher up BMW technicians over the phone trying to fix issue before the next firmware update.

2019 the G05/G07 came out in ideal manufacturing conditions and they were still buggy as hell. Now BMW can’t even build the current vehicles with the parts shortages. This is a perfect storm. Just look at the new S-Class release in these conditions, it’s a train wreck of highly compromised vehicles on the dealers lot.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

I refer you to the most legendary sports car the 911 and it’s evolutionary design. It’s steadfast design is a big factor why it has held this title so long.

Not quite fair to compare a single model to an entire brand. The last 20 years of BMW design have been some of the most stagnant, especially when compared to the progress in the 75 years prior.

[BimmerXdrive]

Thumbs down for me

[itiongo]

Funny how tinted the lower headlights are.

I think it'll look decent in person.