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      03-24-2014, 11:08 AM   #133
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I would imagine this is a bigger vehicle and a 7 seater that would make much more sense than what they are trying to "shove" as a 7 seater today with X5...
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      03-24-2014, 11:47 AM   #134
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      03-24-2014, 11:51 AM   #135
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I never understood how people come up with these estimates. Yeah, BMW is really going to create a 93k 7-Seater to go up against the GL that costs only 63k. A better estimate is it's going to be probably around 67 or 68k which is falls in line with other BMW/Mercedes competitive models, BMW being a bit more expensive.
Now that's amusing. I invite you to go find an MB GL that stickers at 63K anywhere and see what the car actually has in it. No leather, no sunroof, no satellite radio, no nav, black or white only, no back up camera or safety options of any kind. Its like the $43k 335i with nothing in it. We have a 2011 GL 350 that stickered at $73550 and we skipped many useful options to keep the cost reasonable.
You missed the point. The person I quoted assumed that the STOCK price was going to cost the same as a M5. I didn't say it couldn't get that high, of course it will once you tack on options but there's no point in comparing prices with options, it varies too much which is why I used base/stock prices.

Besides, whats stopping anyone from ordering and waiting for a base model?
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      03-24-2014, 12:17 PM   #136
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I never understood how people come up with these estimates. Yeah, BMW is really going to create a 93k 7-Seater to go up against the GL that costs only 63k. A better estimate is it's going to be probably around 67 or 68k which is falls in line with other BMW/Mercedes competitive models, BMW being a bit more expensive.
Now that's amusing. I invite you to go find an MB GL that stickers at 63K anywhere and see what the car actually has in it. No leather, no sunroof, no satellite radio, no nav, black or white only, no back up camera or safety options of any kind. Its like the $43k 335i with nothing in it. We have a 2011 GL 350 that stickered at $73550 and we skipped many useful options to keep the cost reasonable.
You missed the point. The person I quoted assumed that the STOCK price was going to cost the same as a M5. I didn't say it couldn't get that high, of course it will once you tack on options but there's no point in comparing prices with options, it varies too much which is why I used base/stock prices.

Besides, whats stopping anyone from ordering and waiting for a base model?
I think you missed the point. Given the real world prices of the gl series, and also the Lexus LX which bases at 83 k, a price approaching M5 territory is much more likely than a suv in the 60's,
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      03-24-2014, 02:00 PM   #137
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You missed the point. The person I quoted assumed that the STOCK price was going to cost the same as a M5. I didn't say it couldn't get that high, of course it will once you tack on options but there's no point in comparing prices with options, it varies too much which is why I used base/stock prices.

Besides, whats stopping anyone from ordering and waiting for a base model?
Take a look at the full BMW USA product lineup page on the US site, you will not find a lower and higher series line (e.g 3 and 5, 5 and 7, or X3 and X5) with overlapping MSRP price points. A base X5 50i is 68k. You will probably not see an X7 priced at the 67 or 68k you quoted. You will probably see something with the base model priced closer to a 740i which is 74k (assuming it actually comes with a V6 and they don't decide to make a V8 the base engine). Of course we all know how easily you can add 10k plus in BMW options - and you are already north of 80 grand. I can very easily see the base price on a V8 model of the X7 starting close to the 90 grand of an M5 after all, a Range Rover HSE starts at 89k and a supercharged at 100k. You can bet that is one of the benchmarks BMW is looking at. If that isn't the point, they would instead be building an X5 LWB.
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      03-24-2014, 02:58 PM   #138
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Now that's amusing. I invite you to go find an MB GL that stickers at 63K anywhere and see what the car actually has in it. No leather, no sunroof, no satellite radio, no nav, black or white only, no back up camera or safety options of any kind. Its like the $43k 335i with nothing in it. We have a 2011 GL 350 that stickered at $73550 and we skipped many useful options to keep the cost reasonable.
100% correct. My wife's X5 with the N55 was about $63k and if I recall correctly, the "starting point" was $47k or so?

You see this thought process of "wishful thinking" all the time from the armchair buyers who obviously never buy these cars. There are people on the M3/M4 boards who think the $67k M4 base is reasonable when basic math says the $75k will be a stripper and tax/tag gets you to $80k. The same nonsense seems rampant in the Macan crowd as well.....except for the one guy who actually did order one at > $90k!
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The US market can probably use something like this. Won't be too popular in Europe though...
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You missed the point. The person I quoted assumed that the STOCK price was going to cost the same as a M5. I didn't say it couldn't get that high, of course it will once you tack on options but there's no point in comparing prices with options, it varies too much which is why I used base/stock prices.

Besides, whats stopping anyone from ordering and waiting for a base model?
Take a look at the full BMW USA product lineup page on the US site, you will not find a lower and higher series line (e.g 3 and 5, 5 and 7, or X3 and X5) with overlapping MSRP price points. A base X5 50i is 68k. You will probably not see an X7 priced at the 67 or 68k you quoted. You will probably see something with the base model priced closer to a 740i which is 74k (assuming it actually comes with a V6 and they don't decide to make a V8 the base engine). Of course we all know how easily you can add 10k plus in BMW options - and you are already north of 80 grand. I can very easily see the base price on a V8 model of the X7 starting close to the 90 grand of an M5 after all, a Range Rover HSE starts at 89k and a supercharged at 100k. You can bet that is one of the benchmarks BMW is looking at. If that isn't the point, they would instead be building an X5 LWB.
The 68k I estimated was optimistic and was in line with what the GL was starting at. I could see 70k starting but no way would a X7 start at M5 prices and that much higher than the GL starting price.
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      03-24-2014, 06:28 PM   #142
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The US market can probably use something like this. Won't be too popular in Europe though...
Depends on where in Europe you're thinking about, plenty of Mercedes GL and Range Rovers in Russia, you also see a lot of Range Rovers in the UK.
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Depends on where in Europe you're thinking about, plenty of Mercedes GL and Range Rovers in Russia, you also see a lot of Range Rovers in the UK.
I agree with you there. But in Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Belgium (where I'm from), France, Italy, Spain, etc. you probably won't see many GLs, X7s, and the like. My parents live in Amsterdam and my dad drives a new F15. Driving that around in the Netherlands is nothing but a hassle, unless you stick to the motorways.
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