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      03-23-2019, 12:01 PM   #1
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The one fundamental flaw of socialism

Can anyone guess? I am into fundamental stuffs.
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Its 0700, it's cold as fuck out and you are wondering why the fuck you are standing on line for toilet paper while living in a "workers paradise" ..
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It is a utopian idea contrary to human nature. Thus its implementation requires coercion (deadly force).
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Its 0700, it's cold as fuck out and you are wondering why the fuck you are standing on line for toilet paper while living in a "workers paradise" ..
OK, please translate. It's rather warm here in Socal so I can't relate to that.
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Disincentive to achieve...
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Disincentive to achieve...
but it's not fundamental.
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it's not fundamental.
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it's not fundamental.
Yes, yes it is...
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but it's not fundamental.
It’s still the fatal flaw. It assumes the achievers will continue to achieve and the fruits of their achievements will be redistributed. The flaw is that the achievers will be disincentivised to achieve, and that there will be little to redistribute, and it spirals downward.

Being rewarded for achieving is the goose that lays the golden eggs...
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OK, I'll give you the answer.

The fundamental flaw is human by default will ultimately want to be in state of complacency if left alone - no exception. If I were rich with free money, free food, free sex I'll be sitting somewhere at the beach sipping cocktails all day all night all the time. Capitalistic system will put some heat in the a$$ to get them moving. That's all it is. Nothing complicated. Some of the posters here took it in such a shall I say "socialist" approach to my musing lols. I swear I got AoC flashbacks reading a few posts here :-)
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OK, please translate. It's rather warm here in Socal so I can't relate to that.
Lodz Poland 1986. My childhood. You would not understand.
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OK, I'll give you the answer.

The fundamental flaw is human by default will ultimately want to be in state of complacency if left alone - no exception. If I were rich with free money, free food, free sex I'll be sitting somewhere at the beach sipping cocktails all day all night all the time. Capitalistic system will put some heat in the a$$ to get them moving. That's all it is. Nothing complicated. Some of the posters here took it in such a shall I say "socialist" approach to my musing lols. I swear I got AoC flashbacks reading a few posts here :-)
Lol... you’re the AOC in this crowd. What you don’t understand, obviously, is that the real achievers in the world don’t take their money and sit on the beach. That is what YOU would do so you assume they would, too. They wouldn’t and the proof is they don’t. What a silly premise you posit.
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Lol... youíre the AOC in this crowd. What you donít understand, obviously, is that the real achievers in the world donít take their money and sit on the beach. That is what YOU would do so you assume they would, too. They wouldnít and the proof is they donít. What a silly premise you posit.
Didn't know I offend you. One accusation of AoC, you got all worked up. I wonder why.
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Lodz Poland 1986. My childhood. You would not understand.
You're right. Your post has no context.
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Didn't know I offend you. One accusation of AoC, you got all worked up. I wonder why.
You didn’t offend me. I didn’t get all worked up. I laughed at your premise which now you don’t defend. I wonder why.
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You didnít offend me. I didnít get all worked up. I laughed at your premise which now you donít defend. I wonder why.
Your post seems to suggest otherwise. I can read your post-body language lols.
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OK, I'll give you the answer.

The fundamental flaw is human by default will ultimately want to be in state of complacency if left alone - no exception. If I were rich with free money, free food, free sex I'll be sitting somewhere at the beach sipping cocktails all day all night all the time. Capitalistic system will put some heat in the a$$ to get them moving. That's all it is. Nothing complicated. Some of the posters here took it in such a shall I say "socialist" approach to my musing lols. I swear I got AoC flashbacks reading a few posts here :-)
No. Humans are social beings and as such always want to be in groups and sort themselves into at least one hierarchy. Wealth, clothing, cars, houses, jewelry, political position and power, etc. We compete to achieve this and sort ourselves - economically, politically, brutally, however we can. Socialism and communism both seek to eliminate the differences; but this is impossible with any social animal (dogs, wolves, chimpanzees, humans, etc.). Thus force is necessary (and that automatically creates a new class in the classless society)
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Your post seems to suggest otherwise. I can read your post-body language lols.
... yeah, you’re equally as good at “reading” my body language as you are at figuring out the fatal flaw in socialism... Pretty funny. But hey, this was an amusing thread, so wtf... lol...
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You're right. Your post has no context.
Simple economic socialism was an utter failure. It put Poland in a hibernation like state for 50 years. The only thing we had to look forward to was long lines, mass shortages, and ration cards. Oh we had free medical care but believe me you didnt not want to see the doctor unless it was absolutely necessary and I wont even get into hospitals. Nice thing about the system was that you learned self reliance, cooperation with your neighbors, and how to hustle. We grew a lot of our own food. You had to if you wanted to survive. Nobody had time to sit in cafes pondering socialism because we were too busy working our asses off.
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Because it destroys hard work, innovation, and the belief you can make something out of yourself without some failed nanny state to give you everything in life. It's the belief that everybody should be equally miserable, or equally dead.

It's an ideology of losers and haters. F anybody who believe in this crap.
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Because it destroys hard work, innovation, and the belief you can make something out of yourself without some failed nanny state to give you everything in life. It's the belief that everybody should be equally miserable, or equally dead.

It's an ideology of losers and haters. F anybody who believe in this crap.
Amen to that. People in the US have no idea how good they have it and that they never experienced what the Eastern Block went through.
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