BMW
X7 and XM
forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts
BMW X7 (G07) Forums General BMW X7 Forum Start/stop is going to make me sell this 2024

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-03-2023, 05:33 PM   #1
crackerjack15
Captain
crackerjack15's Avatar
842
Rep
993
Posts

Drives: 2024 X5 50e
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: West Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Start/stop is going to make me sell this 2024

This shit is ridiculous! Today is 96 degrees and when I come to a stop its blowing warm air until it restarts. Yes, sometimes I click the shifter into Sport mode and that keeps it running, but I don't want to drive normally in sport, holding revs and downshifting aggressively as I come to a stop. This isn't luxury. The worst is when your slowing to turn, but not stop, it shuts off, then comes back on and accelerates aggressively. I'm seriously considering selling. It pisses me off that much. Anyone want a 2024 M60i?
Appreciate 5
MystroX56289.50
alic9613.50
supdes48.00
Tyriondo127.00
Steve737106.00
      09-03-2023, 06:17 PM   #2
Jbird73
Private
56
Rep
93
Posts

Drives: 2022 X7M50i; 2023 X540i
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2023 BMW X5 40i  [0.00]
2022 BMW X7M50i  [0.00]
Not that it isn't annoying (and I have a '22 so I can still juts select it off in any mode) but you could program the sport individual I assume to shift less aggressively and basically run like comfort with some stiffer steering. Again, I get it is annoying but then it is a one-button push to get rid of start-stop
Appreciate 1
alic9613.50
      09-03-2023, 06:18 PM   #3
Brinkley77
Private First Class
Brinkley77's Avatar
126
Rep
148
Posts

Drives: Cadillac SRX
Join Date: Aug 2022
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2024   [0.00]
BMW X7  [0.00]
Just a thought but maybe take it to your dealer. It shouldn’t blow warm air you might have a compressor/fan issue. I know there a SIB listed in the anemic ac post. Just a thought. If you’re not happy with I completely get wanting to sell.
Appreciate 1
nvsocr755.00
      09-03-2023, 06:37 PM   #4
abcsoup
Second Lieutenant
185
Rep
298
Posts

Drives: X7 M60i, X3 M40i
Join Date: May 2018
Location: DC, USA

iTrader: (0)

It is annoying that it does this, and the old sport mode trick doesn’t work as keeping the engine in comfort will still allow the engine to shut off unlike in pre-LCI cars. Also, the blower will blow warm air if it’s warm enough outside and the engine/AC compressor is off, and it can be annoying.

I haven’t tried yet, but it might be worth testing if setting the temp lower with the fan speed also lower would keep the engine running more often. For example, set to 62 with low auto fan to get equivalent cooling as 68 with medium fan selected. Maybe that will keep the engine running more often since the selected temp is lower?
Appreciate 1
      09-03-2023, 06:38 PM   #5
crackerjack15
Captain
crackerjack15's Avatar
842
Rep
993
Posts

Drives: 2024 X5 50e
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: West Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbird73 View Post
Not that it isn't annoying (and I have a '22 so I can still juts select it off in any mode) but you could program the sport individual I assume to shift less aggressively and basically run like comfort with some stiffer steering. Again, I get it is annoying but then it is a one-button push to get rid of start-stop
That doesn't work anymore on the Lci.
Appreciate 1
LeKayz85.50
      09-03-2023, 06:43 PM   #6
SSM5
Second Lieutenant
219
Rep
291
Posts

Drives: 2023 M5C
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: So Cal

iTrader: (0)

When I drive my wife's 2023 X7 on a hot day and come to a stop, I watch the Tach to see if it shuts off, if it does, I slightly lift the brake pedal without moving the car to restart the engine, sometimes it shuts off again but never more than twice at a stop, probably to protect the system, a little bit annoying but it works.
__________________

2023 M5 Comp Skyscraper Grey,Executive Pack, Drivers Assistance, B&W, 789's.
Appreciate 2
      09-03-2023, 08:10 PM   #7
LeKayz
Private First Class
LeKayz's Avatar
86
Rep
131
Posts

Drives: BMW X7
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: MN

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by crackerjack15 View Post
That doesn't work anymore on the Lci.
Yup no longer works for 24 models. I mean i drive in sport regradeless. I love The ZF8 transmission!!! Waiting for bimmercode to update so I can always start in sport mode.
Appreciate 1
NGT25617.50
      09-03-2023, 09:28 PM   #8
Bimmerfun82
Brigadier General
Bimmerfun82's Avatar
7199
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: M3, X7, MY
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
24 BMW M3  [10.00]
24 BMW X7  [9.00]
Can't you do sport individual mode where you put everything in chill mode - transmission comfort, engine comfort, etc. and then it won't start/stop...? That's what I do in our X5.
Appreciate 2
ChrisM41624.50
      09-03-2023, 09:31 PM   #9
SMKS
Private
39
Rep
79
Posts

Drives: Bmw x7 m60i
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Nassau county

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by crackerjack15 View Post
This shit is ridiculous! Today is 96 degrees and when I come to a stop its blowing warm air until it restarts. Yes, sometimes I click the shifter into Sport mode and that keeps it running, but I don't want to drive normally in sport, holding revs and downshifting aggressively as I come to a stop. This isn't luxury. The worst is when your slowing to turn, but not stop, it shuts off, then comes back on and accelerates aggressively. I'm seriously considering selling. It pisses me off that much. Anyone want a 2024 M60i?

That has nothing to due with the mild hybrid kicking in. The ac might slow down just a little bit, but blowing hot air sounds like you have an issue with the ac system. They really rushed these vehicles off the line just to sell then. Qc on these must have been a joke.
Appreciate 1
alic9613.50
      09-03-2023, 09:36 PM   #10
crackerjack15
Captain
crackerjack15's Avatar
842
Rep
993
Posts

Drives: 2024 X5 50e
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: West Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMKS View Post
That has nothing to due with the mild hybrid kicking in. The ac might slow down just a little bit, but blowing hot air sounds like you have an issue with the ac system. They really rushed these vehicles off the line just to sell then. Qc on these must have been a joke.
Not how it works. My a/c is super cold. The mild hybrid does nothing for a/c. When you come to a stop, the engine shuts off... the a/c compressor is driven by the engine. The electric motor in the transmission only restarts the engine after a start/stop and assists in acceleration. When you start the car from being off a traditional starter is used.
Appreciate 2
alic9613.50
NGT25617.50
      09-03-2023, 09:39 PM   #11
crackerjack15
Captain
crackerjack15's Avatar
842
Rep
993
Posts

Drives: 2024 X5 50e
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: West Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Additionally, yes the fan slows down on a start/stop event. But the compressor which is moving the freon is off and without the freon moving through the evaporator it warms up quickly.
Appreciate 1
NGT25617.50
      09-03-2023, 09:42 PM   #12
SMKS
Private
39
Rep
79
Posts

Drives: Bmw x7 m60i
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Nassau county

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by crackerjack15 View Post
Additionally, yes the fan slows down on a start/stop event. But the compressor which is moving the freon is off and without the freon moving through the evaporator it warms up quickly.
There's no way in hell get its so hot lol but all jokes aside no way the freon can warm up in 45 seconds. I don't care if it's 125 degrees outside. That sounds like an issue
Appreciate 0
      09-03-2023, 10:24 PM   #13
robkassab
Rob
robkassab's Avatar
39
Rep
85
Posts

Drives: 2023 BMW X7 xDrive40i
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL

iTrader: (0)

Once you come to a stop, simply take your foot off the brake momentarily and the engine will start. Being that it starts from the transmission motor, it’s hardly noticeable. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Appreciate 2
      09-03-2023, 11:35 PM   #14
Saejin
Captain
731
Rep
988
Posts

Drives: None
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Nowhere

iTrader: (0)

It is pretty annoying, but not sure it’s reason enough to get rid of it unless there’s a number of other issues as well.

You’re doing the same thing I do…drop the shifter into sport mode at stops. I typically pull away in sport mode and then switch back to regular drive mode. I’ve got an M60i too, so definitely like taking any opportunity to flex the engine when I can.

It’s been pretty seamless for me, but I do get what you’re saying when the engine shuts off and the AC starts to blow warmer air almost immediately.
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2023, 03:04 AM   #15
Caveno
Private First Class
157
Rep
161
Posts

Drives: 2016 750
Join Date: Jul 2023
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

I hate the auto start stop. My wife has it on her x7 and I ordered a 24 760i and have anxiety thinking about it shutting off in the middle of the road. Unfortunately almost all cars do this now but also almost all cars you can code it off but not bmw.

It’s ridiculous I agree and have dealt with warm air blowing when the engine shuts off. Like I’m buying a 500+ horsepower car and care about fuel economy.

I’m thinking of canceling my order and just getting a gmc Yukon hd with a giant diesel engine instead….I don’t want to deal with auto start stop.
Appreciate 6
MystroX56289.50
mitch57804.50
alic9613.50
NOVA99162.50
NGT25617.50
      09-04-2023, 04:02 AM   #16
B767capt
Private First Class
United_States
65
Rep
103
Posts

Drives: 2024 X5 40i
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: GA

iTrader: (0)

I have about 1000 miles on my LCI X5 and have played around with sport mode in stop-and-go traffic. What I have found in comfort mode is just as the car stops, I let off the brake slightly the motor usually stays running, but if the engine has stopped, it will start right up again then I repress the brake pedal again and the motor stays on. It's almost second nature now after doing it a lot.
Appreciate 1
      09-04-2023, 04:03 AM   #17
Wiedzmin
Private
41
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: X7 M60i ordered
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Poland

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeKayz View Post
Yup no longer works for 24 models. I mean i drive in sport regradeless. I love The ZF8 transmission!!! Waiting for bimmercode to update so I can always start in sport mode.
There won't be any bimmercode update because of the BMW's signed updates and cloud OTA bullshit. But regarding the AC... isn't the AC compressor electric on the LCI?
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2023, 06:45 AM   #18
TurtleBoy
General
TurtleBoy's Avatar
13269
Rep
19,789
Posts

Drives: 2019 X5 40i,2021 M340i
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Colorado

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82 View Post
Can't you do sport individual mode where you put everything in chill mode - transmission comfort, engine comfort, etc. and then it won't start/stop...? That's what I do in our X5.
No, the ability to do that has been removed from the LCIs. If the drivetrain isn't in Sport then it does not shut off ASS.
__________________
2021 BMW G20 M340i xDrive - Verde Ermes/Black - 03/2024.40
2019 BMW G05 X5 xDrive40i - Phytonic Blue/Cognac - 11/2023.50
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2023, 08:01 AM   #19
Bimmerfun82
Brigadier General
Bimmerfun82's Avatar
7199
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: M3, X7, MY
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
24 BMW M3  [10.00]
24 BMW X7  [9.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurtleBoy View Post
No, the ability to do that has been removed from the LCIs. If the drivetrain isn't in Sport then it does not shut off ASS.
So if in sport, there is no modification to the setup - suspension, throttle, engine? Ours arrives in a few weeks, so I’ll have a chance to figure it out myself.
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2023, 08:27 AM   #20
streborx
Major
653
Rep
1,078
Posts

Drives: 2022 BMW X7 M50i
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Colorado

iTrader: (0)

My understanding of BMW's LCI era mild hybrid system is that a conventional 12v starter motor no longer exists and the ICE is started by the 48v integrated starter/generator that's embedded in the transmission/drive train. For how long can the 48v battery support auto s/s cycling? If you're stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic, creeping along at only a couple mph, how many s/s cycles occur before the ICE has to remain running to restore the battery charge because regen braking is not contributing? Has anyone experienced this?

How large is this system's 48v battery? Is it as large as the 12v?
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2023, 08:39 AM   #21
TurtleBoy
General
TurtleBoy's Avatar
13269
Rep
19,789
Posts

Drives: 2019 X5 40i,2021 M340i
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Colorado

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82 View Post
So if in sport, there is no modification to the setup - suspension, throttle, engine? Ours arrives in a few weeks, so I’ll have a chance to figure it out myself.
No, what I was referring to was the ability to use Sport Individual set to comfort in order to turn off ASS. BMW now has it programmed that if it is set to Comfort the ASS will stay on.
__________________
2021 BMW G20 M340i xDrive - Verde Ermes/Black - 03/2024.40
2019 BMW G05 X5 xDrive40i - Phytonic Blue/Cognac - 11/2023.50
Appreciate 0
      09-04-2023, 08:41 AM   #22
Wiedzmin
Private
41
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: X7 M60i ordered
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: Poland

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82 View Post
So if in sport, there is no modification to the setup - suspension, throttle, engine? Ours arrives in a few weeks, so I’ll have a chance to figure it out myself.
A good question actually. I am waiting for mine too. So what settings are there? Is it possible to have engine in sport and transmission in comfort? I would not mind the throttle reaction, just don't want the RPMs to be kept high all the time.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:46 AM.




xbimmers
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST