[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Lazardm3

Thanks OP for posting.

The rest of you guys not sure why you're hating on the guy for saying mirrors are a deal breaker. The fact of the matter is M cars should have more bespoke components than their non-M counterparts. Sure this will be fast, looks great but it's basically a 235 with some factory mods. Ms historically were a bit more special than just a badge.

The current M5/M6 do not have "special M Mirrors", nor did the e30 M3, which is to alluded in the M2 press brochures and vids, as the spiritual successor of the M2. Notice the widebody, yet lack of "M" mirrors.

Ha, the whole "this is basically a 235i with factory mods. Then I guess the whole M line up is badically the series cars with factory mods, because that is what M does, modify the series cars. The cars are based on series cars and M Division works from that base. You know that. Even the S55 and S63 in the M3/M4 and M5/M6/X5/X6 are worked over versions of their series engines. There are no more real "bespoked" engines from M Division.

M Mirrors being a deal breaker is small fry, and shows that some people want the image of the "M" and not being part of the M History. A poseur if you will, and that is what irks people.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

The current M5/M6 do not have "special M Mirrors"

Yes, they do.

M Aussenspiegel - http://www.leebmann24.de/bmw-ersatzt...id=252328&vin=

[KevinM]

Thanks for posting! The marketing language had me flat out laughing at times. I also felt at times as if I were reading a fashion/clothing store brochure rather than an M brochure.

Looking forward to this car.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by KevinM

The marketing language had me flat out laughing at times. I also felt at times as if I were reading a fashion/clothing store brochure rather than an M brochure.
Looking forward to this car.

Actually, we don't need all that hollow, hyperbolic brochure speak.

Put the brochure aside, push the start button and go for a ride to let the car speak for itself.

[Flying Ace]

I'm not a fashionable chiseled white guy with beard, can I still buy this car?

[raysspl]

Good to see this. Thank you for sharing this

[nachob]

Lovely brochure! It is funny how much they keep showing them beating the 1M and E30 M3, it almost feels insecure....like when you see a a someone saying they are strong man/woman as they break down and cry. : )

On the other hand, I think what they are trying to do is establish a linkage of smaller, nimbler M cars because they had gotten quite big.

Regardless the brochure looks great, thanks for posting. Congrats to all the guys getting one!

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I'm not a fashionable chiseled white guy with beard, can I still buy this car?

No but if you can get the M2 some Jordan airtime like the photo in your profile then yes, you can still buy this car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by metrickid

Yes, they do.

M Aussenspiegel - http://www.leebmann24.de/bmw-ersatzt...id=252328&vin=

They might have mirrors that are unique to the series upon which they are based, but there is not a single identifying characteristic by which the mirrors on all M cars are based.

Aka, again, there is no such thing as an M mirror.

A more accurate statement would be that the M2 didn't:

1) get its own specially designed mirror, OR;
2) didn't borrow a specially designed mirror from another M car, like the F80 (aka E92 M3 mirror --> 1M).

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

They might have mirrors that are unique to the series upon which they are based, but there is not a single identifying characteristic by which the mirrors on all M cars are based.

Aka, again, there is no such thing as an M mirror.

A more accurate statement would be that the M2 didn't:

1) get its own specially designed mirror, OR;
2) didn't borrow a specially designed mirror from another M car, like the F80 (aka E92 M3 mirror --> 1M).

I know that and didn't say so anywhere in my post, I just corrected him for saying the F10 didn't get a different mirror as a M model.
BMW calls the mirrors "M Mirrors" on almost all M cars though (E46, 1M, F10, E92 for example) in their parts catalogue so there is a thing called M mirror in a way...

[Jackie Chiles]

At the risk of suffering another warning from an overzealous mod, I have to say that it is hard for me to take anyone seriously who considers "M mirrors" to be an integral part of their driving experience.

Maybe its because I'm old and that I've enjoyed engaging cars and bikes on the track since the 1970's, with a focus on how cars "feel" rather than how they look. Not that looks don't matter, but come on, whining about the shape of a mirror? Jeesh and SMH.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

At the risk of suffering another warning from an overzealous mod, I have to say that it is hard for me to take anyone seriously who considers "M mirrors" to be an integral part of their driving experience.

Maybe its because I'm old and that I've enjoyed engaging cars and bikes on the track since the 1970's, with a focus on how cars "feel" rather than how they look. Not that looks don't matter, but come on, whining about the shape of a mirror? Jeesh and SMH.

I don't think anyone complaining of silly things like that was in the market for the car for the "right" reasons anyway if in the market at all.

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by metrickid

I don't think anyone complaining of silly things like that was in the market for the car for the "right" reasons anyway if in the market at all.

I'm not sure. Lot's of guys buy sporty cars because of how they look, and will never drive them the way they were intended.

But I suppose the guys who won't buy an M2 because of the mirrors mean that there's a better chance that I'll be able to get one.

Still. . . SMH.

[DrKevM5]

Love the negative comments about the looks. They're gonna shit their pants the first time they see it in person.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

They might have mirrors that are unique to the series upon which they are based, but there is not a single identifying characteristic by which the mirrors on all M cars are based.
Aka, again, there is no such thing as an M mirror.
A more accurate statement would be that the M2 didn't:
1) get its own specially designed mirror, OR;
2) didn't borrow a specially designed mirror from another M car, like the F80 (aka E92 M3 mirror --> 1M).

M2 side mirrors = M235i side mirrors.

Forum fellow Scott26 revealed that BMW M intended to use the M3/M4 mirrors for the M2, but the side arm is incompatible with the 2er. As a fix added more cost, the idea was shelved for the M2 (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=41).

An F80 owner of a German forum participated to the Closed Room Presentation of the M4 GTS at BMW M HQ (Garching - Germany). As the M2 was also present, he inquired about the absence of M mirrors on the M2. BMW M told him that, since the M2's body already quite differs from the standard 2 Series, BMW decided not to design M mirrors for the M2 (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...25&postcount=1).

Conclusion: BMW M definitely intended to give the M2 dedicated side mirrors (other mirrors than those of the M235i), but in the end didn't do it for cost reasons.

Visualized (based on the following posts: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=140 and http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=107):

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I'm not a fashionable chiseled white guy with beard, can I still buy this car?

NO!

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 side mirrors = M235i side mirrors.

Forum fellow Scott26 revealed that BMW M intended to use the M3/M4 mirrors for the M2, but the side arm is incompatible with the 2er. As a fix added more cost, the idea was shelved for the M2 (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=41).

An F80 owner of a German forum participated to the Closed Room Presentation of the M4 GTS at BMW M HQ (Garching - Germany). As the M2 was also present, he inquired about the absence of M mirrors on the M2. BMW M told him that, since the M2's body already quite differs from the standard 2 Series, BMW decided not to design M mirrors for the M2 (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...25&postcount=1).

Conclusion: BMW M definitely intended to give the M2 dedicated side mirrors (other mirrors than those of the M235i), but in the end didn't do it for cost reasons.

great post .... now everyone stop f**king talking about the damn mirrors :

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 side mirrors = M235i side mirrors.

Forum fellow Scott26 revealed that BMW M intended to use the M3/M4 mirrors for the M2, but the side arm is incompatible with the 2er. As a fix added more cost, the idea was shelved for the M2 (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=41).

An F80 owner of a German forum participated to the Closed Room Presentation of the M4 GTS at BMW M HQ (Garching - Germany). As the M2 was also present, he inquired about the absence of M mirrors on the M2. BMW M told him that, since the M2's body already quite differs from the standard 2 Series, BMW decided not to design M mirrors for the M2 (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...25&postcount=1).

Conclusion: BMW M definitely intended to give the M2 dedicated side mirrors (other mirrors than those of the M235i), but in the end didn't do it for cost reasons.

Great post Artemis, this should be a sticky so that everyone that asks can be referred to the Sticky..... Hahaha.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

great post .... now everyone stop f**king talking about the damn mirrors :

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

Great post Artemis, this should be a sticky so that everyone that asks can be referred to the Sticky..... Hahaha.

Added a couple of pictures to post #103 in order to visualize why transferring the M3/M4 mirrors to the M2 ain't no simple plug and play (with kudos to forum fellows Alden_88M and ///W).

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Actually, we don't need all that hollow, hyperbolic brochure speak.

Put the brochure aside, push the start button and go for a ride to let the car speak for itself.

That is what I'm hoping!

[antzcrashing]

I hate that blue

[WAY]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Added a couple of pictures to post #103 in order to visualize why transferring the M3/M4 mirrors to the M2 ain't no simple plug and play (with kudos to forum fellows Alden_88M and ///W).

I don't have an issue with the "non-M" mirrors. I've owned so many M cars and mirrors are the last thing you noticed. However, I do find BMW's excuse a bit weak. Sure it's not plug and play, but all they need to do is redesign the base and still use the rest of the mirror. Not that hard, and not that costly either!