F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > If you had $2k to increase the fun factor of a RWD 328i
ARMA SPEED
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-14-2015, 08:39 PM   #23
casualDIYer
Major
448
Rep
1,372
Posts

Drives: 340i xDrive M Sport
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

A dd with a few hpde days in the mix isn't an easy balance. Same boat here. Mods for HPDE can change depending on track. As is, the car is a pretty good balance. But if you want to go up a level in both the dd and hpde domain best bang for the buck is probably tires. Brake pads and brake fluid next but make sure the pads are not 'race'. All of these keep your insurance intact.

A modest power bump with bms stage 1 keeps you on budget and isn't too hard to get out of the car if needed. It could void an anal policy so make sure its not there during inspection. Suspension is tricky. BMW M Sport and M Performance keep you within your policy. Non-BMW parts need to be 'for the street'. Suspension is a great upgrade but does get pricey.

On the other hand you could go tires, brake pads, fluid, then cosmetic with front and rear bumper, rear wing, diffuser etc. Or go internal with an audio upgrade. The dd side of the car will love that
Appreciate 1
      07-14-2015, 10:36 PM   #24
Nihilation
Lieutenant
United_States
184
Rep
518
Posts

Drives: BMW M3, 328xi AT and 328i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Haymarket, VA

iTrader: (1)

Thanks for all the feedback.

Thus far I'm leaning toward something like Bilstein PSS coil overs with KMAC or GC camber plates and a more aggressive set of pads, possibly Winmax W2's. That should be just about $1800.

Any other pad recommendations for the small 328i brakes?
__________________
2003 M3 | SMG | KW V1 | Apex ARC-8s | 3.85 LSD | Cobra Nogaro | S2R Tuning Sunroof Delete | Billy Boat Section 3
Appreciate 0
      07-14-2015, 11:18 PM   #25
Labeef
Captain
Labeef's Avatar
265
Rep
807
Posts

Drives: 320I Sport/Xenon
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Bay Area, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihilation View Post
Are sway bars that big of a deal for the F30?
Yes. They are a big deal on almost every car. Handling is all about weight transfer and how to minimize it. Sways will help you keep the weight transfer in check.
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 10:24 AM   #26
Nihilation
Lieutenant
United_States
184
Rep
518
Posts

Drives: BMW M3, 328xi AT and 328i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Haymarket, VA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Labeef View Post
Yes. They are a big deal on almost every car. Handling is all about weight transfer and how to minimize it. Sways will help you keep the weight transfer in check.
The springs and dampers do the most to appropriate weight distribution and most importantly, ride quality.

Sway bars can aid lateral movement but will not improve traction under hard braking or acceleration, nor reduce the harshness exhibited by many factory dampers. I've personally regarded sway bars as band-aids for a poor suspension or as a tool to fine tune a setup. And the F30 needs more than fine tuning.
__________________
2003 M3 | SMG | KW V1 | Apex ARC-8s | 3.85 LSD | Cobra Nogaro | S2R Tuning Sunroof Delete | Billy Boat Section 3
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 10:29 AM   #27
smithf80
Major General
smithf80's Avatar
United_States
2812
Rep
5,316
Posts

Drives: G80 M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2022 G20 330i  [9.00]
2018 F80 M3  [9.75]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Shiralian View Post
Trade it in for a 335, fun factor resolved
http://blogs.motortrend.com/total-vi...35i-21501.html

Not exactly
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 10:53 AM   #28
strig1
Private
8
Rep
76
Posts

Drives: 2014 328i
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Houston Tx

iTrader: (0)

Stage 1 tune or JB4 is the cheapest, easiest, and quickest(quite literally) thing you can do to this car to make it more fun
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 05:49 PM   #29
Ali Shiralian
Lieutenant Colonel
Ali Shiralian's Avatar
Canada
813
Rep
1,986
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i xdrive, 2014 X5 3.5d
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Owen sound, Ontario, canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
Sure, according to MT, ask any 335 owner if they change theirs to 328 to increase the fun factor
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 06:35 PM   #30
CalCarNut
Brigadier General
CalCarNut's Avatar
United_States
1061
Rep
3,258
Posts

Drives: 2015 F36 Jet Black Sport Line
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Blue Skies

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Shiralian View Post
Sure, according to MT, ask any 335 owner if they change theirs to 328 to increase the fun factor

If it's a tight passing situation, the x35 would be welcome. Day to day driving and not DWHUA, the x28 is just fine.
__________________
2015 BMW F36 428i JetBlack. Sport Line Edition
25% 3M Tint|
Appreciate 1
      07-15-2015, 08:46 PM   #31
caranddriver
Enlisted Member
United_States
5
Rep
38
Posts

Drives: 428i M-Sport 6M
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: SF Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

My vote would be tires and suspension. Michelin Pilot Super Sports are my next set after the original Bridgestone run-flats wear out. Since I won't track the car, the JB4 tuning kit is attractive.
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 09:03 PM   #32
Ali Shiralian
Lieutenant Colonel
Ali Shiralian's Avatar
Canada
813
Rep
1,986
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i xdrive, 2014 X5 3.5d
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Owen sound, Ontario, canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalDave View Post
If it's a tight passing situation, the x35 would be welcome. Day to day driving and not DWHUA, the x28 is just fine.
328 is absolutley just fine, but in terms of pure acceleration, engine noise 335 is miles better. Just like an RS7 is miles better than a 335. All these vehicles are absolute joy to drive it's just how much joy relative to what you wanna spend.
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 09:53 PM   #33
nicknaz
Lieutenant General
nicknaz's Avatar
3189
Rep
10,509
Posts

Drives: C6Z
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NorCal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihilation View Post
Thanks for all the feedback.

Thus far I'm leaning toward something like Bilstein PSS coil overs with KMAC or GC camber plates and a more aggressive set of pads, possibly Winmax W2's. That should be just about $1800.

Any other pad recommendations for the small 328i brakes?
If you are on PSS or worse, switch those before suspension mods.

What is a "winmax" brake pad? Pagid, Performance Friction, and Carbotech are the typical ones that are discussed
Appreciate 0
      07-15-2015, 11:46 PM   #34
smithf80
Major General
smithf80's Avatar
United_States
2812
Rep
5,316
Posts

Drives: G80 M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2022 G20 330i  [9.00]
2018 F80 M3  [9.75]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Shiralian View Post
328 is absolutley just fine, but in terms of pure acceleration, engine noise 335 is miles better. Just like an RS7 is miles better than a 335. All these vehicles are absolute joy to drive it's just how much joy relative to what you wanna spend.
Lol. Yes. Your engine sounds better. Wooooooo.

__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 12:35 AM   #35
Vegetable
Lieutenant Colonel
Vegetable's Avatar
United_States
794
Rep
1,628
Posts

Drives: 2019 M4 MT, 2024 X3MC
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Humboldt

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
Lol. Yes. Your engine sounds better. Wooooooo.

How cute
__________________
M4 in MG | 6 MT
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 07:25 AM   #36
Ali Shiralian
Lieutenant Colonel
Ali Shiralian's Avatar
Canada
813
Rep
1,986
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i xdrive, 2014 X5 3.5d
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Owen sound, Ontario, canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
Lol. Yes. Your engine sounds better. Wooooooo.

Lol, sounds like a 4banger on crack
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 10:59 AM   #37
smithf80
Major General
smithf80's Avatar
United_States
2812
Rep
5,316
Posts

Drives: G80 M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2022 G20 330i  [9.00]
2018 F80 M3  [9.75]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Shiralian View Post
Lol, sounds like a 4banger on crack
Lol you and your n55 superiority complex.



I could go on, the quad setup sounds even better.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 11:03 AM   #38
the_phew
Lieutenant
352
Rep
556
Posts

Drives: '17 GTI 6MT, was 320i ZSP/ZMT
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: United States

iTrader: (0)

Improving "fun factor" and "trackability" are two diametrically opposed goals.

$2k spent for more "fun" driving experience:
-Piggyback tune
-M-performance shift knob
-Clutch stop
-Exhaust

$2k spent for better "trackability":
-R compound tires
-Track pads/brake fluid
-Race shifter
-Harness
-Upgraded cooling fan maybe?
Adjustable suspension would probably be good, but pushes it out of your price range. On certain tracks, 704 might be fine.
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 12:15 PM   #39
fecurtis
Banned
United_States
3262
Rep
6,299
Posts

Drives: 2014 BMW 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Arlington, VA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
Oh dear.

Missiles launched!
Appreciate 1
      07-16-2015, 12:18 PM   #40
shivaswrath
Brigadier General
shivaswrath's Avatar
United_States
651
Rep
4,323
Posts

Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lost in NJ

iTrader: (3)

Dinan Intake and a Tune.
__________________
CURRENT: 2017 RS3 (miss you guys)
SOLD: 2012 335i Mineral Gray

M Performance Exhaust/Brakes/Suspension/LSD|Bav Stage 1/AMP||ER CP/IC/DP/OC | Dinan CAI/N55 PWG BIG TURBO|BMWF30.com
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 12:19 PM   #41
fecurtis
Banned
United_States
3262
Rep
6,299
Posts

Drives: 2014 BMW 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Arlington, VA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by smithf32 View Post
Lol you and your n55 superiority complex.



I could go on, the quad setup sounds even better.
That sounds miles and miles better than that other link but I'd imagine that set up is stupid expensive. May as well just get a 335i for that money and get an aftermarket exhaust or just the MPE. With the MPE (once it's broken in anyway) I think it sounds great. I've gotten a few compliments on it as well.

Only complaint is that with the MPPK you get the exhaust overrun in Sport mode which sure, the gurgling and popping sounds really cool (kinda like on the Jag F-Type but not NEARLY as loud) but to the layman, they just think your shit is broken.
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 02:44 PM   #42
smithf80
Major General
smithf80's Avatar
United_States
2812
Rep
5,316
Posts

Drives: G80 M3 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Long Island, NY

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2022 G20 330i  [9.00]
2018 F80 M3  [9.75]
Quote:
Originally Posted by fecurtis View Post
That sounds miles and miles better than that other link but I'd imagine that set up is stupid expensive. May as well just get a 335i for that money and get an aftermarket exhaust or just the MPE. With the MPE (once it's broken in anyway) I think it sounds great. I've gotten a few compliments on it as well.

Only complaint is that with the MPPK you get the exhaust overrun in Sport mode which sure, the gurgling and popping sounds really cool (kinda like on the Jag F-Type but not NEARLY as loud) but to the layman, they just think your shit is broken.
I had an MPE on my F30 that I loved, I thought it sounded great, especially with the resonator delete.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 04:24 PM   #43
ATLBlue
Car OCD
ATLBlue's Avatar
No_Country
263
Rep
595
Posts

Drives: 2017 EBII F36 430d M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Belgium, USA... behind the wheel

iTrader: (0)

Absolute best bang for the buck IMHO:

suspension: H&R springs + replace rear shocks with Bilstein B8 + F8x front lower control arms. Much better than stock but not as good as coilovers (but do the control arms anyway). In case you want to keep money for other stuff... Sway bars are always nice, but they run ~$700 a pair for the F30 and the install takes a lot of time. They would eat a lot of your budget.

tires: Michelin PSS. Take your runflats back to BMW and burn them in front of the dealership. Maybe they will eventually get the message...

brakes: buy a stock 335i (base) brake set. There are tons of them in classifieds. The 340mm front rotors + stainless steel lines + hi temp fluid + Stoptech Streetperformance pads will be all you need. Buy a set of Pagid RS29 for the front for track days.

This is enough to get fun on the street and the track. No engine stuff needed until all of the above is taken care of. Meanwhile you may get yourself a BMC air filter. Power gain of 0.0001 hp but you will enjoy more turbo sound.
__________________
2017 BMW F36 430D M Sport Estoril Blue, 2002 E46 M3 Imola Red & 2006 Porsche Cayman S Artic Silver
More about my ride @ ATLBlue's 2014 F30 Journal. Instagram Inline6_ATL
Appreciate 0
      07-16-2015, 04:46 PM   #44
Nihilation
Lieutenant
United_States
184
Rep
518
Posts

Drives: BMW M3, 328xi AT and 328i 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Haymarket, VA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATLBlue View Post
Absolute best bang for the buck IMHO:

suspension: H&R springs + replace rear shocks with Bilstein B8 + F8x front lower control arms. Much better than stock but not as good as coilovers (but do the control arms anyway). In case you want to keep money for other stuff... Sway bars are always nice, but they run ~$700 a pair for the F30 and the install takes a lot of time. They would eat a lot of your budget.

tires: Michelin PSS. Take your runflats back to BMW and burn them in front of the dealership. Maybe they will eventually get the message...

brakes: buy a stock 335i (base) brake set. There are tons of them in classifieds. The 340mm front rotors + stainless steel lines + hi temp fluid + Stoptech Streetperformance pads will be all you need. Buy a set of Pagid RS29 for the front for track days.

This is enough to get fun on the street and the track. No engine stuff needed until all of the above is taken care of. Meanwhile you may get yourself a BMC air filter. Power gain of 0.0001 hp but you will enjoy more turbo sound.
This is what I like to hear!
__________________
2003 M3 | SMG | KW V1 | Apex ARC-8s | 3.85 LSD | Cobra Nogaro | S2R Tuning Sunroof Delete | Billy Boat Section 3
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:25 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST