[Tinbad]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Yup, this engine is a monster unleashed if you want.

But but but... it's not a real M

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Tinbad

But but but... it's not a real M

Oh god... Now I just spit coffee on my iPad Pro. I don’t know how those poor bastards with M760i’s get by either.

[exokiss]

uhhh, hellooo..."BMW broke promises to its customers", not US-EU arsenal comparison

[MB21]

Originally Posted by 09elphant

MB21, I'm curious... I have the same problem with backing out of garage and car stops... What button did you press to defeat that option? I pressed the button on the dash and hold it for at least 3 seconds to disable all drive assist features and X7 still stops while backing out... Neighbors must think I'm nuts... lol I figure I could go into the vehicle settings and stop it, but that would be a PITA to do daily, as I like to keep it on during daily driving...

I went to the system settings and disabled that option, and it stays that way. I think you need to look there as there is subsection that I think need to be checked off

[MB21]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

If I understand correctly you will never purchase another BMW because of a feature you will never utilize not being available? Are you trying to get them to do a buy-back based on this claim? If they unlock the limiter and make it go above 155mph what will that change outside of being given what was promised?

I think you miss the point, first I am not asking to go over 155 but be able to go up to 155.

When you buy a premium car you expect that what is promised it is delivered regardless if you ever use it or not.

[MB21]

Originally Posted by mjr24

I don't understand this thread. You have no business going 155 in a non-M car....let alone a fucking X7. Those are the speeds where the difference between a real M and the "M" 50i or whatever you call those become very obvious.

They also underrate their engines so you are getting more power than you were promised.....sue them for that, too (eye roll).

I guess the biggest danger in USA is the driving style of those who own the road by being glued to left lane.

Prior to Covid I was putting more miles per year on German autobahn then in USA while living in USA. I can ensure you that 260km/h in car like this is not an issue at all, yes you do not keep a coffee cup in one hand while browsing on the phone, you are focused on the road, you hold the steering wheel as designed, and you will be amazed how well those cars go.

But there are few rules that make the German autobahn superior to any other road

1. Slow traffic on the right side,
2. Pass on left only and move to the right
3. No trucks on the left line
4. Drivers move to the right when you flash high beams or turn left turn signal

Simple rules make a world of difference

So do not say the car is not capable as I can ensure you is very capable

[MB21]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

In a "non M car?" You must be joking. How does a M make it so much more capable of such higher speeds? A M760i,M850i, etc. isn't a full M car yet it does just fine. In fact they are rock solid and composed just like a X7 M50i as shown on YouTube videos. Adaptive Cruise Control is active up to 129mph. That's a autonomous lane keeping assist at 125mph all day long. These are high speed autobahn intended vehicles regardless of it is a full M or not. High speed stability and safety is determined by tire ratings. Put AS tires on a M5 Comp and it will be limited to 130mph by the manufacturer.
Yea, I also own a M Comp and understand it's superior handling in the twisties but stiffer spring rates don't equal higher speed superior handling.

The X7 M50i couldn't be any more rock solid or composed at 160mph.

Thank you, finally someone who understand those cars.

I have driven even 430i on Autobahn and with summer tires was going 160mph it was impressive how solid the car was

I used the other time a Ford ST and at 120 mph I said never again ...

Auto of BMW, Mercedes and Audi I felt that even regular BMW had better suspension response than the other two Germans.

Again my complain is if you promise something then deliver it if you can not then Do not promise

[MB21]

Originally Posted by Resjudicata

I don't even know why this is a tread. A simple ECU tune will unlock more power and an unlimited top speed.

Yes it does,

If you buy trusted brand you expect honest specs, if you buy a low end you go and tune it up to feel better...

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Oh god... Now I just spit coffee on my iPad Pro. I don’t know how those poor bastards with M760i’s get by either.

Big difference comparing a $160k V-12 sedan that beats the S8/S63 AMG to a $100k X7 that is slower than their Audi/Mercedes competition.

The M760 and X7 M50i are not close to being the same in terms of prestige or performance. It's apples and oranges.

Whether you like it or not, people who are going to spend coin on a big, fast SUV normally go with Range Rovers for a reason.

[BMWBear]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Whether you like it or not, people who are going to spend coin on a big, fast SUV normally go with Range Rovers for a reason.

I wouldn’t spend a dime on the most unreliable car manufacturer in the last 20yrs. I for one choose the X7 M50i because it fit mine needs over the competition. You don’t buy a three row SUV to street race other soccer dads. It’s nice to have the HP but honestly in 100% of the situations you’re never going to need it. There’s a lot more factors then just what’s under the hood. You need to stop watching the Kartrashians and buying whatever Travis Scott thinks is cool.

[HoratiuBMWX7]

Originally Posted by MB21

Dear All, looks like the X7 M50i despite marketing captain and official BMW materials is not what is promised. The car supposed to be 155mph top speed if equipped with summer performance tires and in fact is locked same way as 40i. To make things worst apparently this is not a mistake but deliberate decision on X7 Product managers, they know the marketing day one thing and still do not care!!!

So all who purchased X7 M50i with summer performance set have been cheated by the brand we all so trust and believe in. This is externally disappointing, looks like if this is not resolved it will be my last BMW...

It feels like BMW is going same path like VW with diesel gate, promises things on paper and do not deliver perhaps customers are never gone figure it out.

I was patiently trying to solve this in the past weeks but response from executive office of BMW telling me that Product management is aware that all 2020 cars are locked at 130 mph and does not feel any reason to fix the problem tells me that this was deliberate and planned, not an error but deliberately providing false information to BMW customers...

My opinion is that MB21 is right.It is about the promise BMW is making .It is not about if you need or drive with 155 mph but if I buy something I want to have all the features that was promised even if I use them or not.

[LittleJoe]

Then don't buy a BMW. Maybe other car companies do not limit top speed in the US market, there are always choices. Just seems to me there are far more important things to focus on than 130 MPH limiter. Just my opinion which is worth far less than a 130 MPH BMW speed limiter.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Big difference comparing a $160k V-12 sedan that beats the S8/S63 AMG to a $100k X7 that is slower than their Audi/Mercedes competition.

The M760 and X7 M50i are not close to being the same in terms of prestige or performance. It's apples and oranges.

Whether you like it or not, people who are going to spend coin on a big, fast SUV normally go with Range Rovers for a reason.

Oh, I get it now, you just don’t like the X7. I have owned a RR, S8, and yet I now have a fully loaded X7 M50i. I am pretty seasoned with owning enough performance and luxury cars over the last 30 years to know what they bring to the owner. The X7 M50i is faster than the new 2020 Range Rover Autobiography SVR if that matters.

Not bad considering it’s BMW’s first attempt for a full size ultra luxury flagship SUV.


Here is a fun odd comparison of the X7 going against some small sports cars on a race track driven by “The Stig”. I honestly can’t believe how well this big luxo SUV hammered on the little cars on a track. Stig’s comment on the X7...”Physics defying”.

[Crimsonboz]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Big difference comparing a $160k V-12 sedan that beats the S8/S63 AMG to a $100k X7 that is slower than their Audi/Mercedes competition.

The M760 and X7 M50i are not close to being the same in terms of prestige or performance. It's apples and oranges.

Whether you like it or not, people who are going to spend coin on a big, fast SUV normally go with Range Rovers for a reason.

No they don’t, I wouldn’t touch a RR with a 10’ pole. I’ve had their almost 200K pile of junk and it had so many problems it would take 3 pages to write it out. On top of all of that, their Panasonic screen and software are absolutely the worst I’ve ever seen on that class. Trust me when I tell you, they are a trend made popular by the royal family and other celebrities.

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Crimsonboz

No they don’t, I wouldn’t touch a RR with a 10’ pole. I’ve had their almost 200K pile of junk and it had so many problems it would take 3 pages to write it out. On top of all of that, their Panasonic screen and software are absolutely the worst I’ve ever seen on that class. Trust me when I tell you, they are a trend made popular by the royal family and other celebrities.

I had 7 months of hell with my RR. How long did you keep yours??
I traded out of it back to a German car to regain my sanity and a reliable vehicle.
What really pissed me off is I knew better with decades of Audi and Porsche ownership experience but had a loss of sanity and fell into the hype. My Ferrari experience wasn’t nearly as bad but I won’t be buying another Italian car either.

[Crimsonboz]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

I had 7 months of hell with my RR. How long did you keep yours??
I traded out of it back to a German car to regain my sanity and a reliable vehicle.
What really pissed me off is I knew better with decades of Audi and Porsche ownership experience but had a loss of sanity and fell into the hype. My Ferrari experience wasn’t nearly as bad but I won’t be buying another Italian car either.

I kept mine a grand total of 5 months. 4months and 29 days to long frankly. I was so pumped to get it too. Yeah I love the X7, now another kid is in college and don’t need quite the space. Either an X5M for a daily or a Cayenne Turbo. Not sure which yet.

Same I had issues with our Italian brothers but not near as bad and the customer service was great.

[jmciver]

Originally Posted by HoratiuBMWX7

My opinion is that MB21 is right.It is about the promise BMW is making .It is not about if you need or drive with 155 mph but if I buy something I want to have all the features that was promised even if I use them or not.

I will speculate that everyone who has posted in (or reads) this thread agrees with that statement in principle - myself included. I believe the reason for the additional ridicule and sarcastic opinions that came across in this thread is for the extra "stuff" that came along with the original point that was attempted to be made.

The reality is, all car manufacturers have their quirks when it comes to functionality promised or what is supposed to work (i.e. in marketing materials, etc.) vs what is actually released to the public. Right now there are other issues or bugs with the X7 (and other models) that could be put in the same category. Not trying to defend BMW (because they should provide what is promised or compensate the customer accordingly), but this is the reality we live in when it comes to modern cars. So for many, this specific issue of a speed limiter cap of 130 mph in the US is somewhat underwhelming, and not the best example to make this point (especially so passionately). But this is a forum where everyone can express their opinion (or passions) - which of course are subject to the opinions of others.

But on the flip side, when you see multiple threads posted by the same person, on the same topic (some will say that is not good forum etiquette), and statements like "this will be my last BMW because of this issue" or similar, and the rather outlandish demands made to BMW corporate on this specific issue (with unsurprising results), contrary opinions, to include some ridicule, will always happen - with some good points expressed from differing opinions.

But again, this is just one forum member's opinion...

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by jmciver

... all car manufacturers have their quirks...

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by MB21

I think you miss the point, first I am not asking to go over 155 but be able to go up to 155.

Hypothetically speaking what if they say bring your car in and we will "unlock" it but they don't do anything and just give it back to you. How would you know?

Secondly, what exactly do you want BMW USA to do? Buy-back the car?

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by MB21

I think you miss the point, first I am not asking to go over 155 but be able to go up to 155.

When you buy a premium car you expect that what is promised it is delivered regardless if you ever use it or not.

I have been weeping for you since you first posted and won’t stop weeping until you’re doing 155. Oh, the humanity.

[MB21]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Big difference comparing a $160k V-12 sedan that beats the S8/S63 AMG to a $100k X7 that is slower than their Audi/Mercedes competition.

The M760 and X7 M50i are not close to being the same in terms of prestige or performance. It's apples and oranges.

Whether you like it or not, people who are going to spend coin on a big, fast SUV normally go with Range Rovers for a reason.

The problem is that Range Rover really does not look to appealing inside, it is simply outdated

[MB21]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

Hypothetically speaking what if they say bring your car in and we will "unlock" it but they don't do anything and just give it back to you. How would you know?

Secondly, what exactly do you want BMW USA to do? Buy-back the car?

I want them the move the lock to where it should be 155, do not get me wrong I love the car I am just disappointed that they are dishonest,