[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by Brigitte

4LM will go with the black interior. Here is a thread that has pictures of all the 2023 trims. Then someone else also posted closeups of the trims on the same thread. I find this very helpful:

https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1927148

Thanks. Emailed that post to the wife earlier today. Gave her some homework before the dealer visit.

[Phasers]

For anyone that wants a a '22 X7, broker friend reached out and said he has some available at 5% off MSRP pre-incentive in the Texas area.

Let me know if you want contact info. Here is his post on leasehackr with build sheets: https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/insig...nd/199474/1098

Disclaimer: I benefit in no way, shape, or form. Just passing along info.

[starbai]

Anyone know if harmon kardon at least is still not available on 22s?

[john_wick]

Originally Posted by starbai

Anyone know if harmon kardon at least is still not available on 22s?

I just got it on my build. But i put my order in last week of april and went into production first week of june. At the time of ordering i was told it wasn't available but all the changed after i put a deposit down. Youd just have to check with your dealer.

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by starbai

Anyone know if harmon kardon at least is still not available on 22s?

Four of the six of the X7s I linked above have it on the build sheet.

[HwyKnight]

Originally Posted by starbai

Anyone know if harmon kardon at least is still not available on 22s?

It is standard on the M50i.

[Badboy8813]

Originally Posted by Phasers

For anyone that wants a a '22 X7, broker friend reached out and said he has some available at 5% off MSRP pre-incentive in the Texas area.

Let me know if you want contact info. Here is his post on leasehackr with build sheets: https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/insig...nd/199474/1098

Disclaimer: I benefit in no way, shape, or form. Just passing along info.

Interested in his contact information. thanks.

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by Badboy8813

Interested in his contact information. thanks.

Sorry, was out of town for the holiday weekend. Sent you a DM.

[David.J]

why hasn't lease rates been updated since February?

[ccjared]

Originally Posted by Phasers

For anyone that wants a a '22 X7, broker friend reached out and said he has some available at 5% off MSRP pre-incentive in the Texas area.

Let me know if you want contact info. Here is his post on leasehackr with build sheets: https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/insig...nd/199474/1098

Disclaimer: I benefit in no way, shape, or form. Just passing along info.

Any discount on 23 X7?

[Gracie123]

Originally Posted by ccjared

Any discount on 23 X7?

Where I live, dealers are charging a "market adjustment fee" of $2000 on top of MSRP. I called around and dealers in nearby states (less than 100-mile drive) were not, but selling at MSRP. I was about to travel, but our local dealership agreed to MSRP. I would think with the economic downturn, that in 6 months or so... cars will not be selling well, and possibly could be purchased with discounts - but who knows!

[Delrazdan]

Originally Posted by tinker1961

Where I live, dealers are charging a "market adjustment fee" of $2000 on top of MSRP. I called around and dealers in nearby states (less than 100-mile drive) were not, but selling at MSRP. I was about to travel, but our local dealership agreed to MSRP. I would think with the economic downturn, that in 6 months or so... cars will not be selling well, and possibly could be purchased with discounts - but who knows!

Increased chip production and recession might do the trick. Ukraine’s auto supply disruption is still a challenge

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by john_wick

100k for a 40i? Wow. Congrats though.

For a vehicle with less than 400hp. Wow.

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by PNWM3

For a vehicle with less than 400hp. Wow.

So HP is the measuring stick for price? Can't tell if that was aimed at me for buying a $100k X740, BMW pricing, or the market in general. Guess my M5C should have cost north of $150k using that metric.

The X7 is for the wife. She didn't want the big motor, but we both wanted just about all the creature comforts the car could have.

FWIW the new RR (which we cross shopped) "starts" at $105k with 395HP.

[Jrjones4]

What’s the current consensus- are most people if not paying cash planning leasing or financing for 23 X7? I’ve placed an order but have not decided what to do yet.

[NJP6]

Originally Posted by Jrjones4

What’s the current consensus- are most people if not paying cash planning leasing or financing for 23 X7? I’ve placed an order but have not decided what to do yet.

I'm going to see what the interest rate will be for financing. If >~3.5%, then I'll probably end up paying cash. My wife ends up putting a bunch of miles on the car so lease isn't an option.

[iknowdjz]

I locked .00190 MF on the 40i 23 delivering next month.

$95,145 MSRP
$94,145 Selling
52% Residual
$1547 base
$1688 incl tax

[Phasers]

Originally Posted by iknowdjz

I locked .00190 MF on the 40i 23 delivering next month.

$95,145 MSRP
$94,145 Selling
52% Residual
$1547 base
$1688 incl tax

Might as well just buy it at that high rate and low residual. That MF equates to more than 4.5% + you have the $925 lease acquisition fee.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by Jrjones4

What’s the current consensus- are most people if not paying cash planning leasing or financing for 23 X7? I’ve placed an order but have not decided what to do yet.

Leasing is optimized around discounts from msrp. In this market buying is almost always better financial structure.

With a lease you are paying for buy price minus residual so back in the day (2 years ago lol) that 10% off msrp is a much larger % reduction on a lease than on financing the whole amount. Plus bmw did a bit of residual inflation to sweeten the lease

[toddwalton]

Hey guys, I could use your help. I'm trying to get from a 2019 x7 40i lease into a 2023 X7 40i lease and the MSRP's for both vehicles are only $2,500 apart but my monthly lease payment as quoted would jump from $899 to $1,200 per month which seems outrageous.

They value my current X7 at $51,500 and they will give me a $9,200 credit as equity for turning it in to them.

Can someone with expertise look at these numbers and tell me if this is just the way life is in 2022 or if I'm being taken advantage of? Thanks.

2019 Actual:

$77,595 (Car + $995 destination charges)

Gave $6,000 cash at delivery

Got discounts from the dealer in 2019, don't have the detail.

0.0167 money factor
59% residual

$899 per month 36 months, 10K miles per year


2023 Quote:

$80,095 (Car + $995 destination charges)

Will receive $9,200 equity from the 2019 X7

0.0200 money factor
52% residual

$1,250 per month 36 months, 10K miles per year

It doesn't make sense to me how a) a car that is only $2,500 more than the 2019 and b) has $9,200 in equity from the 2019 could be c) $350 more per month. I'm not sure if I got some fantastic deal back in 2019, if the supply chain world we live in today has made the prices jump tremendously, or if I'm being given an awful quote and being taken advantage of.

Any help appreciated.

[Gracie123]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

So HP is the measuring stick for price? Can't tell if that was aimed at me for buying a $100k X740, BMW pricing, or the market in general. Guess my M5C should have cost north of $150k using that metric.

The X7 is for the wife. She didn't want the big motor, but we both wanted just about all the creature comforts the car could have.

FWIW the new RR (which we cross shopped) "starts" at $105k with 395HP.

Same. The car is for me, I don't need or want a larger motor, but I do want all the options (DHP, Climate Control, Marino Leather, etc) and it will be over $100,000 too. How can it not be when the base cost is almost $80,000? (unless you want to pay $80,000 and have bare bones)

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

2019 Actual:

$77,595 (Car + $995 destination charges)

Gave $6,000 cash at delivery

Got discounts from the dealer in 2019, don't have the detail.

0.0167 money factor
59% residual

$899 per month 36 months, 10K miles per year


2023 Quote:

$80,095 (Car + $995 destination charges)

Will receive $9,200 equity from the 2019 X7

0.0200 money factor
52% residual

$1,250 per month 36 months, 10K miles per year

It doesn't make sense to me how a) a car that is only $2,500 more than the 2019 and b) has $9,200 in equity from the 2019 could be c) $350 more per month. I'm not sure if I got some fantastic deal back in 2019, if the supply chain world we live in today has made the prices jump tremendously, or if I'm being given an awful quote and being taken advantage of.

Any help appreciated.

off the bat the residual right now is much worse. you're paying an extra almost 7K in depreciation over the course of the lease.
thats 200/month right there.

interest is up by almost 1% ( 0.00167 vs 0.00200) thats roughly an extra 50 per month.

discounts back in 2019 were about 10% roughly the "equity" from your old lease. there are pretty much no discounts now, some dealers are discounting the 2022s on the ground at 5%

i get a payment of roughly 1337 before tax assuming no discount for the 2022. im guessing that about 3600 of the equity is going in as c cap cost reduction, the rest going to tax and driveoffs? are there any add ons? markups?


if you have the details of your 2019 deal, plug them into a lease calculator then change the RV and MF to match the current.

if you run the current numbers through a lease calculator, it should be pretty clear where the increase is coming from