[Tr4ckD4ys]

Originally Posted by Al Pin　

lol.

If you think the "old" X7 looks like a mitsubishi you either need to:

A) Get your eyes checked

B) Put down the crack pipe and get some sleep

C) All of the above

I don't think you read his post right. I believe he was saying the "old" X7 is parked next to a Mitsubishi looking x7

[MystroX5]

Originally Posted by Al Pinã

The same reason they are putting the iconic M winged mirrors on non-M cars. To make buyers feel special. Continued dilution of M as a brand.

Absolutely. "M" is for marketing. There is no "M” exclusivity or magic in one vehicle and not another, they are all BMW vehicles.
Whatever BMW slaps a M badge on the back is a official "M car" by decree of BMW as it is theirs to make that judgment.

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by Tr4ckD4ys

I don't think you read his post right. I believe he was saying the "old" X7 is parked next to a Mitsubishi looking x7

Yikes… maybe I should put down the crack and get my eyes checked. Apologies to the keen user who accurately spotted the Mitsubishi.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by M8CGCDan

Picking up 2023 X7 M60 today, Tanz Blue II/Tartufo full interior, all options; trading '21 M50 in very similar spec; my wife really loves the blue w the shadowline but wanted the black wheels; finally available.

I got approval for full tartufo leather in my tanzanite M50.

Awesome combination.

[P1]

Originally Posted by IcEWoLF

Gorgeous color! Be sure to get her clear bra (front) if the car is financed. If it's a lease then I'd just ceramic coat it.

You're going to have to explain this one.

So if you finance, you get PPF. If you lease, then ceramic coat.

What if you buy it outright? I suppose do neither?

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by P1

You're going to have to explain this one.

So if you finance, you get PPF. If you lease, then ceramic coat.

What if you buy it outright? I suppose do neither?

Technically, if you wash it the right way, and if you plan on keeping it no more than 3-5 years, both options are a waste of money IMO. It's more like keeping it clean and neat and spending the money so the next owner gets it in a like new conditions.
I can take the ceramic coating (and I do all my vehicles, but I do them myself), however, I am still not sold on the PPF given the cost, it doesn't worth it for me. I do touch any rock chips, and each time I trade in the vehicle within 2-4 years I get almost as good of a trade in value as I can get (majority of dealers won't even look that deep or won't give you $2000-4000 extra because it is ceramic coated or has PPF). In fact, they might want to consider reducing their offer as they have to spend more labor hours removing the PPF and prepping it now.
After-all, it is a personal decision.... sonce ceramic coating helps with washing it might worth it if you do it yourself or let someone do it for no more than $500 when the vehicle is new with minimal preping. I have a Porsche that I want to keep for 20-years, then yeah I would PPF the entire body or do a $3000 ceramic coating job with paint correction, otherwise, I think you r just paying the next owner.

I am worried that I might upset our friend and the detailing subject matter expect MystroX5 with such personal opinion :P lollll

[IcewaterPete]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Absolutely. "M" is for marketing. There is no "M exclusivity or magic in one vehicle and not another, they are all BMW vehicles.
Whatever BMW slaps a M badge on the back is a official "M car" by decree of BMW as it is theirs to make that judgment.

Not even close to reality, but if you say so…

By the way, “a” goes before words that start with a consonant and “an” goes before words that start with a vowel. Don’t even get me started on all the guys who list their vehicle as 21 feet long (21’) instead of model year 2021 (‘21).

Carry on.

[JJ(BM)Dubya]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Not even close to reality, but if you say so…

By the way, “a” goes before words that start with a consonant and “an” goes before words that start with a vowel. Don’t even get me started on all the guys who list their vehicle as 21 feet long (21’) instead of model year 2021 (‘21).

Carry on.

Grammar nazis just can’t help themselves. Plenty of folks here whose first language isn’t English. Even if it is, is it such an affront to have to fix it?

Carry on indeed.

[Al Pinã]

Watch your P's and Q's fellas; the Grammar Police are on the prowl!

[ComingInHot]

I actually don't think it makes the old model look dated… they just look… different. I showed it to my wife without telling her what it was and she initially thought the new one was a Kia lol :

[P1]

Originally Posted by BMW5and7

Technically, if you wash it the right way, and if you plan on keeping it no more than 3-5 years, both options are a waste of money IMO. It's more like keeping it clean and neat and spending the money so the next owner gets it in a like new conditions.
I can take the ceramic coating (and I do all my vehicles, but I do them myself), however, I am still not sold on the PPF given the cost, it doesn't worth it for me. I do touch any rock chips, and each time I trade in the vehicle within 2-4 years I get almost as good of a trade in value as I can get (majority of dealers won't even look that deep or won't give you $2000-4000 extra because it is ceramic coated or has PPF). In fact, they might want to consider reducing their offer as they have to spend more labor hours removing the PPF and prepping it now.
After-all, it is a personal decision.... sonce ceramic coating helps with washing it might worth it if you do it yourself or let someone do it for no more than $500 when the vehicle is new with minimal preping. I have a Porsche that I want to keep for 20-years, then yeah I would PPF the entire body or do a $3000 ceramic coating job with paint correction, otherwise, I think you r just paying the next owner.

I am worried that I might upset our friend and the detailing subject matter expect MystroX5 with such personal opinion :P lollll

Sounds like you and I are on the same page. When my wife bought a brand new M, I decided to try out this Xpel PPF stuff. After 2,000 miles, I don't think it was worth it. I still see all kinds of imperfections from rocks etc. I just sold an X5 with 100K miles without any kind of PPF and the place sold it to remarked how perfect the entire vehicle looked.

Everyone really seems obsessed with this ceramic stuff and are spending absolute fortunes on it. If you do it yourself, have at it. But otherwise, slap a layer of a decent sealant on there and call it a day.

I won't even comment on PPF + Ceramic.

[BMW5and7]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Not even close to reality, but if you say so…
By the way, “a” goes before words that start with a consonant and “an” goes before words that start with a vowel. Don’t even get me started on all the guys who list their vehicle as 21 feet long (21’) instead of model year 2021 (‘21).

Carry on.

Oh come on IcewaterPete....

I just want to say one thing, the person you sent this message to is one of the most respected, senior and pro users on this website who is also very well respected outside and across the nation for what he does. Without getting into details, if you truly meant to share an advise, you could have sent it privately. But, the intentions as it related to the use of "a" vs "an", may not be clean - am afraid. Nothing but respect and love to everyone, but I couldn't hold myself when I saw your response to him and felt it needs to be addressed. There is more behind it and you know, so please let's keep it clean and friendly.

For the record, the amount of respect and appreciation we all have towards MystroX5 is huge. As he is a long PCA concourse judge, professional winning best of show many times, etc etc etc, this forces me to speak up here and make sure things are kept straight with mutual respect and love between all parties.

[MomoM3]

My eyes are seeing a Kia or Hyundai next to a BMW.

Cool engine but unfortunately with auto start/stop, ugh. New huge Navi screen is nice,
I guess. Wheels are nicer for sure.

Also, why all the hate in getting a car, lease or otherwise, PPF'd? The cost of admission is well worth suppressing my OCD.

[M3CDan]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Plus one on the updated v8 and if any improvements over the old.

You notice any increased mpg?

I have noticed about 4 mpg improvement; hard to say what it really is because my wife is a cautious driver; I am sure if I was driving daily I would not do as well as she is

[M3CDan]

Originally Posted by Calper

Nice ! What interior trim did you go with ?

It is carbon fiber, I really like it, she had the brown wood previously and I think she liked that better but the CF is growing on her

[M3CDan]

Originally Posted by BMWFanatic2008

Great spec, congrats! How does it compare to the old one?

Comparison wise - the idrive8 is different, like many others that have reported on the '23, not a fan of moving all climate controls to the screen, that is tough to get used to; engine seems a lot quieter and my wife has been complaining about that. She likes the updated looks, feels like it is a smoother overall vehicle which is saying a lot, likes that it seems to get better mileage, and she likes the interior updates. She is Struggling with the sheer volume that is the idrive8, like having an iPhone w too many apps. The maneuver assistant is really cool, we have a long driveway and she recorded several parking scenarios. Overall happy with the swap.

[BMWFanatic2008]

Originally Posted by M8CGCDan

Comparison wise - the idrive8 is different, like many others that have reported on the '23, not a fan of moving all climate controls to the screen, that is tough to get used to; engine seems a lot quieter and my wife has been complaining about that. She likes the updated looks, feels like it is a smoother overall vehicle which is saying a lot, likes that it seems to get better mileage, and she likes the interior updates. She is Struggling with the sheer volume that is the idrive8, like having an iPhone w too many apps. The maneuver assistant is really cool, we have a long driveway and she recorded several parking scenarios. Overall happy with the swap.

Makes sense re: tech and updated looks.

What about performance aspect? Is it quieter in all modes? After all that's the only reason people upgrade to M50/60 instead of plain vanilla 40i.

[M3CDan]

Originally Posted by BMWFanatic2008

Makes sense re: tech and updated looks.

What about performance aspect? Is it quieter in all modes? After all that's the only reason people upgrade to M50/60 instead of plain vanilla 40i.

We just unlocked it - unlike the M50, they have programmed in a software governor to limit power to 75% for the first 310 miles so I haven't had a chance to launch it or put it through its paces, but reviews say it has little more low end punch given the mild hybrid system and that it is allegedly slightly quicker 0-60…I'll do some dragy runs soon and report back.

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Originally Posted by M8CGCDan

We just unlocked it - unlike the M50, they have programmed in a software governor to limit power to 75% for the first 310 miles so I haven't had a chance to launch it or put it through its paces, but reviews say it has little more low end punch given the mild hybrid system and that it is allegedly slightly quicker 0-60…I'll do some dragy runs soon and report back.

That is highly unusual. Can anybody else with a S68 engine confirm that there is a software governed limiter on the engine until X miles. It would be extremely surprising as in all of M cars and non M cars history that has never been the case.

Yes - the M cars have launch control deactivated until the first break in oil change at 1200miles as recommended in the manual, but aside from launch control not active there is NO restriction on power delivery of the engine.

Maybe you meant to say you're getting a 100% of the power but can't use launch control yet?

EDIT: Looking at the 2023 X7 manual, the instructions there are identical to my M4 manual. This states that launch control cannot be used until 1200mile break in, when M vehicles/S-engines are required to have a break in oil change and the dealer unlocks launch control.

EDIT 2: Rev limiter?

[MancladLA]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Absolutely. "M" is for marketing. There is no "M” exclusivity or magic in one vehicle and not another, they are all BMW vehicles.
Whatever BMW slaps a M badge on the back is a official "M car" by decree of BMW as it is theirs to make that judgment.

I very much agree with you. I own an X7 M50i and work in Marketing - I don’t see the need to dilute the M brand with non M vehicles. I assume BMW have a lot of research that shows consumers will trade up several $ more though just to get a pseudo M vs an X7 50i

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Originally Posted by MancladLA

I very much agree with you. I own an X7 M50i and work in Marketing - I don't see the need to dilute the M brand with non M vehicles. I assume BMW have a lot of research that shows consumers will trade up several $ more though just to get a pseudo M vs an X7 50i

Consumers want to trade up as high as their wallet pain threshold allows… the majority of people act emotionally which is exactly where BMW wants you. Thinking that you "need" that M letter. So you do what it takes to get it even if it's not worth the $ or worth your energy. I too looked very closely at the Alpina XB7 when getting my M50i and was debating several ways in which I could justify to myself the added $30k (after all that's negligible on an already $120k vehicle, right?)… everybody always wants the best, and giving consumer just enough of that M easily gets them to spend just the right amount $ more to have it… and then the morning comes and you wake up and realize how stupid this type of thinking is.

If you want to take it to an extreme, why does anyone "need" anything that M has to offer unless you are tracking your vehicle? Do you really "need" that driving pleasure on Chicago's city roads? Or the turning heads? No one needs it. The only thing we truly all need is "time". And how much of yours are you willing to spend inside of a car that you've been artificially led to believe is worthy of yours?

As much as I love driving my X7 and many other vehicles, like my 911 or my M4, the older I get, the more I realize that it's just that. "Driving". Not more, not less. And slowly the initial excitement of that M in the 50i starts to fade. There's been many days where I thought: Damn the 40i would've been sufficient and made me feel better (speak "more responsible") for longer than the short lived marketing induced excitement of that M letter. It's not even a money thing, even with "f*** y***" money there's better places to put it than in that letter. I'm just a little mad at myself that I didn't listen to the correct half of my brain.

But this thread is all about not listening to your rational self, given that the OP and some of his disciples here trade their M50i for M60 I at <12months ownership. Because of silver wheels. And then I think to myself "wow don't be so hard on yourself. There's others doing way stupider stuff."

[dmboone25]

And, as usual lately, posts that critique any part of this or any other car get deleted.

Good lord. I’ve been on here since the early E92 days, and man things have changed.

If you don’t like the barf emoji, perhaps it shouldn’t be available.