vs. RS3

[E39M235i]

Oh yeah one more thing after further review Audi still sucks and oh yeah why is it they don't give you free maintenance? Ask the guy still trying to find the truth ha ha ha if you understand that joke.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by CuddlyE39

Tell me Audi what will the actual balance because that is where BMW will always kick your ass drive these cars against each other lap after lap in true Lups road rage anger and that is where you will feel the difference GAME OVER MAN!!!

Hun, you saw me once, and only slightly pissed off. Now, let's go for a beer and I'll be the driver, and you can be the scared person wanting out of my car, or even better, your car, I have seen the photos, I want to drive them!

Cheers, Lups.

I admit, I drive like an Audi owner.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by CuddlyE39

Oh yeah one more thing after further review Audi still sucks and oh yeah why is it they don't give you free maintenance? Ask the guy still trying to find the truth ha ha ha if you understand that joke.

I'm making the dear old spouse to take the audi to the first maintenance, I'm not doing that. Let's see how much he's laughing at my car after that!

C, just for a night, can I steal your car, and go wild? Even if I promise to do it the appropriate American way, I'm willing to lie.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by GregD

Talk about an iPad sticking out of the dash..



Coming from several Audi, never again

idk why the Germans went this design. the new C class also looks like a ipad. even the new 3 series has a floating navy. although not as bad.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

idk why the Germans went this design. the new C class also looks like a ipad. even the new 3 series has a floating navy. although not as bad.

they copy from each other too much. apparently that is what we want!

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

This has no chance for production since it has almost as much power as as RS7.

There almost surely will be an RS3 sedan though, and it will likely have nearly 400hp. It won't be as light as this concept though. But it will still probably be a compelling car, much like the CLA45.

According to todays Autozeitung the new 2015 RS will get (~)450hp from an 2.5ltr.I5 and this seems logical:

• With this concept car it is clear that the new RS3 won´t get the EA288 2.0ltr.I4
• With the engine choise Audi will define the more premium status of the RS3 vs the Golf R400
• VW says the 2.0ltr.I4 Golf R400 could come with even more than 400hp ... so expect the RS3 well above this number

So the new RS3 with its emotionally I5 comes into the hp-class of the M3/M4 and probably also in its weight-class (incl. 4-wheel-drive) and if an RS3 sedan comes it could be an hard competitor for the M3 ... and don´t beleave that the new RS3 would be slow on track.

AND more important for BMW M and the F8x THIS would also definetely mean that the new RS4/RS5 would come clearly in the 500+ hp-range (4.0ltr.V8TT?) together with an also proposed weight reduction of round 100kg.

If the 500+ rumor for the ATS-V is correct than 3 of the main competitors of the M3/M4 would get much more hp and that at the same time the weight gap getting smaller is also possible ... if you add an future XER-S than you have even 4.
And the IS-F/RC-F is more special by retaining its NA engine - also with more hp !!!

Looks like really hard times for BMW M and its most profitable car.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

According to todays Autozeitung the new 2015 RS will get (~)450hp from an 2.5ltr I5

Sure, it's technically possible, but I'll believe it when I see it. As with other lofty magazine claims posted over the past few years here by yourself and others, the track record for being correct is spotty at best.

My instincts tell me that the RS4/5 won't be over 500hp which makes a 450hp RS3 dubious.

As for the I5, even if it gets the nod in the MQB RS3 and TT RS, I would not get attached to the idea that it will be around past the end of the decade.

Finally, a 400hp RS3 competes with an M3 in the same way a 290hp S3 competes with a 335i. Which is to say, not terribly well in the real world where many other factors come into play. Same reason people aren't generally cross shopping a Chrysler 300 SRT 8 and an M3.

The RS3 is going to be an extremely exciting car though, no doubt about it. Fun times ahead.

[Vectors2final]

Not really.

There isn't anything in the works to continue the IS-F after this year. That's not to mention that they're still selling the IS-F based on the old gen. The RC-F is supposed to take the bill. Which ducks because I was considering the new IS F-Sport, but the lack of power would lead me to regret going for the M3, and there are rumors of a GS-F, but they're that. Nothing more than rumors.

For me, the M3 checks every single box I have and then some.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by ChesterM4

Talk about an M5 killer!

i see what you did there.

[pkimM3r]

anyone else find it funny that bmw created the 4 to compete with the a5 and then audi just said f it well make the a3 compete with your 3/4?

[IEDEI]

IF you think this car is making it to production 'as is'....then it's obvious you know NOTHING about Audi. LOL.

this car will reach production, with around 375-385hp, the usual AWD, and a toned down styling which will be 'influenced' by that concept car's photo....but won't nearly be as aggressive.

I was an Audi fanboy for many years and saw an overwhelming pattern of predictability when it came to their launches. YES it will understeer.....yes it will be fast in a straight line...yes it will provide nearly no communication through it's handling....and yes it will look decent.

This will in no way be a competitor to an M3 nor does it aspire to be. THIS WILL, on the other hand, be perfectly set to go against the M2.

This time, as per a few sources i have, it will be coming to the US market; most likely in Sedan form (although the Hatchback 5-door bodystyle is a possibility still as it is federalized through the E-tron project)..and with a DSG (S-Tronic) gearbox ONLY.

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

IF you think this car is making it to production 'as is'....then it's obvious you know NOTHING about Audi. LOL.

this car will reach production, with around 375-385hp, the usual AWD, and a toned down styling which will be 'influenced' by that concept car's photo....but won't nearly be as aggressive.

I am no Audi Fanboy, more an M3 Sedan and S65 Fanboy, but I know Audi good enough to know that never, never an RS3 would have less hp than an Golf R400 ... and because the use of the I5 I think they will bring it with clearly some more hp than the minimum 400hp of the R400s I4.

Audis first competitor to be beat is in any case VW !!!

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

I am no Audi Fanboy, more an M3 Sedan and S65 Fanboy, but I know Audi good enough to know that never, never an RS3 would have less hp than an Golf R400 ... and because the use of the I5 I think they will bring it with clearly some more hp than the minimum 400hp of the R400s I4.

Audis first competitor to be beat is in any case VW !!!

it's the other way round man....there will be no Golf R400....with 400hp. There may be an R350 with 350hp. VW doesn't get the Turbo i5....that's exclusively Audi. The up rated Golf R will remain a 4 banger with high output....they need to put that AMG engine developer they recently stole from MB to good use.

The Audi RS lineup never ever competes with anything from VW....ever.

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

it's the other way round man....there will be no Golf R400....with 400hp. There may be an R350 with 350hp. VW doesn't get the Turbo i5....that's exclusively Audi. The up rated Golf R will remain a 4 banger with high output....they need to put that AMG engine developer they recently stole from MB to good use.

The Audi RS lineup never ever competes with anything from VW....ever.

I think you are not well informed ... man !!!

First, there is an confirmed R400 (presentation short time ago in China!) with 400hp ... and it could get even more hp (confirmed!) ... and it would be build if VW gets an gearbox that could handle the 450Nm torque.

Second, this 400+hp comes from an modified EA388, an 2.0ltr.I4 Turbo, and has nothing to do with the Audi I5.

Third, the RS3 all the time competes with the sister models from VW, if theye in the same hp-range.

[Vectors2final]

Uhh, VAG has plenty of gear boxes to choose from.

Plenty.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

I think you are not well informed ... man !!!

First, there is an confirmed R400 (presentation short time ago in China!) with 400hp ... and it could get even more hp (confirmed!) ... and it would be build if VW gets an gearbox that could handle the 450Nm torque.

Second, this 400+hp comes from an modified EA388, an 2.0ltr.I4 Turbo, and has nothing to do with the Audi I5.

Third, the RS3 all the time competes with the sister models from VW, if theye in the same hp-range.

wrong. speculation. just like the VW Bluesport was "confirmed" many years ago. Lots of those on the street right?

right (as i mentioned).

and wrong! The RS3 has never and will never compete with a VW product.

IF VW make an R400 or something like it for production; it will (A) be VERY limited production, (B) be VERY expensive, and (C) will still not compete with the RS3.

[Vectors2final]

VAG develops plenty of similar cars, sometimes even with the same engine and places such a disparity on numbers that the "don't compete" or disturb each others markets.

[tooch]

Thats good power from a 2.5, maybe the 3.0 can get into the 500s

[BMW M3 CRT]

Seems like the M3/M4 getting an big Audi Problem:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11405297...uattro-concept

[Jockey]

I wouldn't call that a "big" problem. But look, another competitor going the turbo route, weird.

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I wouldn't call that a "big" problem. But look, another competitor going the turbo route, weird.

You are right with the turbo route ... but the RS3 was all the time an I5 turbo !!!

And an "big" problem because with >408hp the RS3 will be an new competitor for the M3 and with this RS3 hp-numbers the coming next RS4/5 will surely getting minimum ~500hp.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

You are right with the turbo route ... but the RS3 was all the time an I5 turbo !!!

So what's your point? It's ok to go turbo as long as you always were?

Audi has an interesting mix of performance cars covering NA, turbo, and supercharged.

Shockingly no one configuration is the be-all.