[xmanpro]

Not sure why they didn’t put an idrive glass controller in this thing. Gonna have to swap that out first thing.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

Best one I've seen so far. All black is definitely the way to go. Black hides many of the issues with the design and fortunately this one doesn't have the crazy gold/bronze trim colors.

Small details, I know I'm nitpicking here but they put the XM badge is such an odd location on the tailgate and they should just black out the exhaust trim/tips to complete the entire look.

Overall, I think black is by far the best color and this particular example is the best one I've seen to date.

"…they put the XM badge is such an odd location on the tailgate…"


Agreed 100%. I am too OCD for that.

[LSM]

ID8 which immediately is obsollete next year is odd

Overall looks decent but BMW has always had trouble selling in this upper upper market. Can’t say with this vehicle will be any different.

It’s a very expensive BMW and red label will be 190k? I don’t think there’s a market for a 190k bmw that weighs 6000lbs+

🤷🏻

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

I really wanted to hold out for one of these, but there’s a big difference between an iX M60 at $120,000 than an XM at nearly $200,000 fully optioned…. Totally dope though!

Absolute maximum, fully optioned price is $168,395. That’s $159,000 base, plus full leather, B&W, M Driver’s package and destination. Those are the only options at launch in the US. Wheels and colors, including brake calipers, are all no charge options in the US.

[Hansn]

Originally Posted by LSM

ID8 which immediately is obsollete next year is odd

Overall looks decent but BMW has always had trouble selling in this upper upper market. Can’t say with this vehicle will be any different.

It’s a very expensive BMW and red label will be 190k? I don’t think there’s a market for a 190k bmw that weighs 6000lbs+

🤷🏻

I think the last thing people buying the 200k SUVs will be looking at is the weight..

This is supposed to compete with the G wagon, Urus, Range Rover and all the other stupid SUVs that mainly people who dont know anything about cars buy to look cool..
If the Red label version becomes the most powerfull SUV on the market people will be in a line across the street to get this no problem.. This car is perfect for the crowd its designed for. Why get an absolutly horrible G wagon when you can get this? 😂 Its futuristic, modern and maybe the quickest in class.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by PNWM3

Absolute maximum, fully optioned price is $168,395. That’s $159,000 base, plus full leather, B&W, M Driver’s package and destination. Those are the only options at launch in the US. Wheels and colors, including brake calipers, are all no charge options in the US.

Absolute maximum on the iX M60 is $119,520, that also has B&W, full leather, semi individual colors and 22” wheels. It is also much faster than the XM and it’s looks are equally as polarizing. BMW either needs to make the XM more special, with exclusive options, or more powerful, similar to the Cayenne Turbo S E Hybrid. They are asking a premium for what is not currently all that special.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Absolute maximum on the iX M60 is $119,520, that also has B&W, full leather, semi individual colors and 22” wheels. It is also much faster than the XM and it’s looks are equally as polarizing. BMW either needs to make the XM more special, with exclusive options, or more powerful, similar to the Cayenne Turbo S E Hybrid. They are asking a premium for what is not currently all that special.

You’re absolutely right. Last time I looked, the US configurator tool was not available yet. When I previously went to the UK site and did a configuration there, I easily got one configured to over $200k (when converted to dollars). They have a lot more options over there apparently.

[BigEvan1923]

im not even mad at the exterior anymore - its not growing on me but it is what it is. After some seat time in the new 7 I can't understand why they didnt bring the new lighting/design elements into this car. For a flagship vehicle, it should be at portfolio flagship standards. I guess the next time we'll see the 7 interior scale will be the next gen X7 (which im excited for)

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Hansn

I think the last thing people buying the 200k SUVs will be looking at is the weight..

This is supposed to compete with the G wagon, Urus, Range Rover and all the other stupid SUVs that mainly people who dont know anything about cars buy to look cool..
If the Red label version becomes the most powerfull SUV on the market people will be in a line across the street to get this no problem.. This car is perfect for the crowd its designed for. Why get an absolutly horrible G wagon when you can get this? 😂 Its futuristic, modern and maybe the quickest in class.

I don’t agree with that. BMW in that upper upper class hasn’t been a player and when they have gotten in IE M8 they had horrible sales results. G wagon and RR are status symbols as good or crappy as they may be.

I don’t see someone dropping this kind of coin on a BMW. Further G Wagon can be had for cheape than the red label and V8 RR is 140k with options. Both cost less and have a longer established place in the high end SUV market

[DNYC1919]

I thought bmws were suppose to be sporty. Its just so blah.

[cbertels]

Look better in black than silver but still a weird design…

[Bimmerfun82]

The iX3 is awesome, why aren't they bringing it to the US? It would really compete well against the model Y, I would have 100% gone for it instead of the MY.

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

You’re absolutely right. Last time I looked, the US configurator tool was not available yet. When I previously went to the UK site and did a configuration there, I easily got one configured to over $200k (when converted to dollars). They have a lot more options over there apparently.

Options are about the same overseas. I got the US pricing guide from my dealer. They all have them right now as orders are set to begin soon if you put down a deposit.

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Absolute maximum on the iX M60 is $119,520, that also has B&W, full leather, semi individual colors and 22” wheels. It is also much faster than the XM and it’s looks are equally as polarizing. BMW either needs to make the XM more special, with exclusive options, or more powerful, similar to the Cayenne Turbo S E Hybrid. They are asking a premium for what is not currently all that special.

I was just commenting on the fact that an XM is not $200k. The Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid has only 20 more HP and is the size of an X5, not an X7. And they run easily out the door to $190k+

BMW will sell every XM they build at the current price. And just like the M3/M4, folks will get over the design, etc in a year or so.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by PNWM3

I was just commenting on the fact that an XM is not $200k. The Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid has only 20 more HP and is the size of an X5, not an X7. And they run easily out the door to $190k+

BMW will sell every XM they build at the current price. And just like the M3/M4, folks will get over the design, etc in a year or so.

I think they will sell the initial run, not sure on how many pre-orders they have now, and then have to adjust price.. I still maintain that the XM is too expensive for what it is, and not special/exclusive enough for the price charged. Also, while the Cayenne is only 20hp more, it is over a second faster 0-60, and both are 5 passenger vehicles. My Cayenne also has much more rear seat leg room than the current G05 X5, and Porsche sell in far lower volume than BMW, so exclusivity is built in.

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

I think they will sell the initial run, not sure on how many pre-orders they have now, and then have to adjust price.. I still maintain that the XM is too expensive for what it is, and not special/exclusive enough for the price charged. Also, while the Cayenne is only 20hp more, it is over a second faster 0-60, and both are 5 passenger vehicles. My Cayenne also has much more rear seat leg room than the current G05 X5, and Porsche sell in far lower volume than BMW, so exclusivity is built in.

How do you get a second faster? On quoted specs the Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid does 0-60 mph in 3.6s with the Sport Chrono Package option. XM does 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) in 4.3s. Converting to 0-60 mph from km/h will give you at least .1 to .2 sec. So on paper the Cayenne is maybe a half second faster 0-60. Real world results may vary but those aren’t out for the XM yet.

And you’re mixing data again comparing Porsche overall as a brand to BMW regarding exclusivity. Porsche sells on average about 18,000 Cayennes a year in the US. That’s not exclusive. It’s why there’s one in the grocery store parking lot every time I go. The XM will be a fraction of that volume.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

I think they will sell the initial run, not sure on how many pre-orders they have now, and then have to adjust price.. I still maintain that the XM is too expensive for what it is, and not special/exclusive enough for the price charged. Also, while the Cayenne is only 20hp more, it is over a second faster 0-60, and both are 5 passenger vehicles. My Cayenne also has much more rear seat leg room than the current G05 X5, and Porsche sell in far lower volume than BMW, so exclusivity is built in.

And really the XM will be competing with the Turbo GT which is much faster. Entusaistist don’t buy the turbo S e hybrid which is heavy and clumsy

The XM is neither ultra performance nor ultra luxury. I echo what others said maybe initial run may have demand but I predict cancelled pre orders and lots of no sales

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by LSM

And really the XM will be competing with the Turbo GT which is much faster. Entusaistist don’t buy the turbo S e hybrid which is heavy and clumsy

The XM is neither ultra performance nor ultra luxury. I echo what others said maybe initial run may have demand but I predict cancelled pre orders and lots of no sales

That is correct on the Cayenne GT being more the competitor, but since the XM is a hybrid, I used the Turbo S E Hybrid as the benchmark. I really wanted to like the XM, on paper it is what I would be interested in when replacing my Cayenne, but it just isn't worth it to me, not special enough to warrant the price. I expect to see a few of these driving around Austin, TX but feel this was a huge miss by BMW.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by PNWM3

How do you get a second faster? On quoted specs the Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid does 0-60 mph in 3.6s with the Sport Chrono Package option. XM does 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) in 4.3s. Converting to 0-60 mph from km/h will give you at least .1 to .2 sec. So on paper the Cayenne is maybe a half second faster 0-60. Real world results may vary but those aren’t out for the XM yet.

And you’re mixing data again comparing Porsche overall as a brand to BMW regarding exclusivity. Porsche sells on average about 18,000 Cayennes a year in the US. That’s not exclusive. It’s why there’s one in the grocery store parking lot every time I go. The XM will be a fraction of that volume.

BMW sold nearly 61,000 X5s in the US alone in 2021 (didn't see 2022 data) so comparing that to the number of Cayennes sold, means that yes, a Porsche Cayenne is more exclusive than a BMW. As far as how I get the faster numbers, much like BMW, Porsche downrates all their 0-60 times and as such you cannot go off stated spec. My '20 E Hybrid (V6) has a manufacturer listed 0-60 of 4.7 seconds, but it is 4.2 seconds in the real world. Car and Driver has a 0-60 time of 3.2 seconds listed for the Turbo S E Hybrid, which is over a second quicker than the listed 0-60 of the XM. We shall see what the XMs real world time is, but it is big, and physics mean it probably won't best it's stated 0-60 by 1.3 seconds.

[JAKE_7]

Originally Posted by PNWM3

Absolute maximum, fully optioned price is $168,395. That’s $159,000 base, plus full leather, B&W, M Driver’s package and destination. Those are the only options at launch in the US. Wheels and colors, including brake calipers, are all no charge options in the US.

Thank you for the correction. It's mind boggling to see people throw out wrong numbers out there to confuse others. The correct info is easily available, no need for the misinformation.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by JAKE_7

Thank you for the correction. It's mind boggling to see people throw out wrong numbers out there to confuse others. The correct info is easily available, no need for the misinformation.

I don’t think there’s misinformation. Lower tier XM 159-168 and XM Redline will be 190k that’s correct information and a ton of money with lots of other options at that price point

[GTATX]

I think in the rear, it needs a BMW emblem like x6 and move the xm to the right of it and it will look better. Interior they should have done more mimicking the likes of 7 series. It needs a newer steering wheel, better shifter & more ambient lights minimum.