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These are definitely better to lease
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04-08-2023, 08:34 AM | #91 |
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You hit the nail on the head. This is so true and rarely discussed. Either BEV or ICE, hybrids are a product of people having difficulty letting go of ICE. These hybrids will be an absolute nightmare to maintain long term due to the inherent complexity.
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PHEV is even a headache in the short term as we’ve seen anectodally with friends who gave up on their X5 45e for the litany of problems … And then even in the day-to-day: must plug in every night and must get gas regularly for the thirsty V8. Not to mention the recalls for fire risk…. I still haven’t seen any of these reviewers explain what happens after a longer drive when the batteries run out. Basically the car must get sluggish and bogged down. |
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Agreed but for now the people who are afraid to go full EV think they’re the best option which is so strange to me.
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04-08-2023, 11:15 AM | #95 |
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Have you considered they’re not actually fearful; and that a PHEV is indeed the best option for themselves and their living situation? It might be strange to you, and still be the best option for them. These aren’t mutually exclusive things.
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If you have hood hybrid that actually has decent range on battery and has gas option it is pretty useful. I just don’t think people who spend this kind of cash care about this kind of stuff. Meaning they don’t care about efficiency or whatver. I think this car is just show case of BMW technology evolution. My questions is: how much will M5 cost asumming it’s going to get this power train tech in it? |
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My mother was in this situation and got a 330e. She regrets it. She much prefers the EV side of things though her EV only range is piddling due to there being less space for batteries in that car. She is doing whatever she can to only use EV and then found she has to force the car into ICE mode to start churning the gas in her tank to avoid it staying in there too long. Having tried the hybrid situation she much prefers BEV only and will likely turn the car over in the coming year or two and go full BEV. Btw she’s almost 80!
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The day time running lights on top look cool. But the normal headlights on the bottom look so horrible to me. It just looks like an after thought when a designer realized you can’t fit all of the lights into the skinny top housing. That and the proportions of everywhere else look off, despite me liking box and angled cars usually. It looks like an X7 wearing an awkwardly oversized suit with huge shoulder pads to appear muscular. That blue color is nice tho.
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the AMG solution is worse in terms of weight penalty Porsche will go BEV with the cayman and boxster at least, 911 TBD the end is near for lightweight, ICE sports cars |
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There is an econtrol mode where you can drive without losing any state of charge. i.e. It won’t ever be sluggish or bog down. |
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I think for most people’s daily cars a plug in hybrid actually makes sense because their range can be <40ish miles for a commute on almost all EV mode. I find some confusion with it in a full on M car tho.. you can harness electric power like a la Ferrari but to aim to make it an eco friendly car at that car weight.. it just doesn’t make sense and is trying to do too many things at once. What I’ve heard about the new C63 for example is reviewers don’t like 4 cylinders and also are aware of the car being heavier. The literal only plus side is the EV mode which is like 10 miles(?) can help with exiting your neighborhood without a loud exhaust. |
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Yeah that’s fair. I just view it as a range anxiety thing. I get asked if the lower range with the M50 with the bigger wheels bothers me but the truth is that it’s never been an issue but that’s just based on my needs for the car.
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