M5 versus E63 AMG S 4matic

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

It was a similar feel to the swap of the M5 and the R8... I only owned the M6 and M5 concurrently for a short time but I found myself make more comparos with those two cars.

The M6 vs the R8: The M still more comfortable and a more usable daily of course. Handling the R8 owns it- hands down but like you said apples and oranges. I did some heavy mods on the R8 including exhaust, tcu, and ecu mods. The car had about 45 awhp (this is a lot in awd) and it pulled strong from a dig even into triple digit speeds (140+). I would never ever own an R8 as my only car but I would 100% own an M6 as the solo driver.

The M6 vs the M5: I found the M6 to be faster and had better driving dynamics. While the engines are the same the car was just more confident to push thru the turns at higher speeds and the pulls from 60-160 were incredibly awesome. I kept my M6 for more than a year which says a lot.

As an aside I can tell you that the R8 with the magnetorheologic shocks is the most comfortable (very) high performance car I've owned or ridden in. It is the reason why many reviews have mentioned that of all the 'Supercars'; (assuming you believe the R8 to be a 'Supercar'), it is the easiest to live with as a DD. There are quite a few owners on the R8 Forum who have very high miles on the R8 with almost zero issues; well other than the attention the car generates!! lol. It also is incredibly cheap to own if you pay for Audicare which pays for all scheduled maintenance for 4 years/50K miles for the remarkable price of about $1,000!
Bish

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by mstmng

was driving my friends cls63 for a whole day today
and this experience has just proven to me again not to buy amg and i am 100% M guy

seats are super uncomfy, 20 minutes driving and my lower back was killing me
gearbox switches gears itself even in sport+ and M mode
command is so outdated
those wing mirrors, the actual shape is so bad, that passengers actual mirror is obstructed by wing mirror's plastic, i couldnt get position of passenger's wing mirror for the whole day, which i would feel comfy with to have quick glance to, i had to properly look into it every time!
this big 5.5L engine doesnt help either, my m3 felt faster than this cls
i am very disappointed with that car
e63 is just different shape, but in general same car, so i would never change m5 for current generation amg
maybe for s-coupe 63, but thats complete different league! and i have not driven it!

The E63 and CLS63 drive very, very differently.

Hell, the CLS550 and E550 felt completely different to me. Which is why I ended up with the latter.

I assume the CLS63 you drove was RWD? The E63-S hits 60 in 3.4 seconds so if that still feels slower than your M3, you've got one hell of an M3!

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The E63 and CLS63 drive very, very differently.

Hell, the CLS550 and E550 felt completely different to me. Which is why I ended up with the latter.

I assume the CLS63 you drove was RWD? The E63-S hits 60 in 3.4 seconds so if that still feels slower than your M3, you've got a hell of an M3!

AWD cars are out of question

yes, its RWD and i couldnt feel the power at all
i pressed AMG button, put suspension in sport+ or whatever is equivalent in amg
steering sport+

anyways i had runs before against him and whatever speed we did it from, he couldnt keep up at all, so i knew its not as fast as m5, but not disappointing slow

plus i dont care about 0-60 dig, e63s i quick 0-60 as well, but after 60 all the power is lost due to distribution to awd

i love kick on highway doing 60-80mph, pedal to the metal and you flying towards the limiter in no time
in m5 i still kick my head on headrest from time to time

cls didnt give me any kick after 60mph at all, i would rather buy s400 hybrid for that price and enjoy the comfort than no comfort and kind-of power

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by mstmng

cls didnt give me any kick after 60mph at all, i would rather buy s400 hybrid for that price and enjoy the comfort than no comfort and kind-of power

So was your friend's car AWD or RWD? It was my understanding that there were no AWD CLS63s or E63s in the UK.

And I was just making a few comments based on my own personal experiences. Whatever floats your boat in terms of drivetrain preference.

I just have never ridden in or driven in a 5.5L biturbo V8-equipped car that lacked punch or kick. Just sounds strange. In fact, quite the opposite. I've always been impressed by the amount of low end grunt and wonderful sound.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

So was your friend's car AWD or RWD? It was my understanding that there were no AWD CLS63s or E63s in the UK.

And I was just making a few comments based on my own personal experiences. Whatever floats your boat in terms of drivetrain preference.

I just have never ridden in or driven in a 5.5L biturbo V8-equipped car that lacked punch or kick. Just sounds strange. In fact, quite the opposite. I've always been impressed by the amount of low end grunt and wonderful sound.

Ive owned 3 M157 AMG engines--- the problem is the throttle response IMHO; its just so non repsonsive with limited press. But I got used to it and made adjustments. The car operates best stock with a heavy foot in sport plus, and ESP sport ON (you need sport on or completely defeated to get the full compliment of tq). The dynos prove the car makes the power but the individual feel is very subjective. A simple tune changes the game in power and response as well. Tuned M157's here in Cali trap almost 130mph. Game changer no doubt.

You are right as well, no AWD over the pond. I took a stock AWD out a few months back on whim from my local store and the car was incredible. It was a 2014 and might have had a factory ECU update to the pedal.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The E63-S hits 60 in 3.4 seconds so if that still feels slower than your M3, you've got one hell of an M3!

^^^^

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

So was your friend's car AWD or RWD? It was my understanding that there were no AWD CLS63s or E63s in the UK.

Originally Posted by Vic55

You are right as well, no AWD over the pond. I took a stock AWD out a few months back on whim from my local store and the car was incredible. It was a 2014 and might have had a factory ECU update to the pedal.

we do have S model for E63, not for CLS though, but i guess it will come with LCI next year

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Ive owned 3 M157 AMG engines--- the problem is the throttle response IMHO; its just so non repsonsive with limited press. But I got used to it and made adjustments. The car operates best stock with a heavy foot in sport plus, and ESP sport ON (you need sport on or completely defeated to get the full compliment of tq). The dynos prove the car makes the power but the individual feel is very subjective. A simple tune changes the game in power and response as well. Tuned M157's here in Cali trap almost 130mph. Game changer no doubt.

You are right as well, no AWD over the pond. I took a stock AWD out a few months back on whim from my local store and the car was incredible. It was a 2014 and might have had a factory ECU update to the pedal.

Doesn't Eric trap 134ish?

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

Doesn't Eric trap 134ish?

Yeah but he has race gas and headers now... when he just had the air filters and the Renntech Intermediate tune he was right at 130.

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Yeah but he has race gas and headers now... when he just had the air filters and the Renntech Intermediate tune he was right at 130.

It seems that race gas is a huge game changer for these cars in the power department. I saw Eric race a 500 whp 335i and lost pretty bad when he was on pump gas.
What forum do you guys post on?

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by greentrbo95gst

It seems that race gas is a huge game changer for these cars in the power department. I saw Eric race a 500 whp 335i and lost pretty bad when he was on pump gas.
What forum do you guys post on?

MBWorld.org for Benzes, the biggest place for sure. Yes if you have your map adjusted it for it; the gains are close to 40 wheel.

Even with meth and headers the BMS car could run with Eric could it?

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by Vic55

MBWorld.org for Benzes, the biggest place for sure. Yes if you have your map adjusted it for it; the gains are close to 40 wheel.

Even with meth and headers the BMS car could run with Eric could it?

I ran Eric and lost. Eric ran BMS car and won. I ran BMS car and won by about the same amount as the outcome of Eric and BMS car.
It's hard to say as on my first run I battled traction until 3rd gear and by then Eric was gone. We need to do a 3rd gear freeway pull and we will be able to tell what is happening power wise between two cars.
BMS car has same mods as me, but they also have meth kit.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

It was a similar feel to the swap of the M5 and the R8... I only owned the M6 and M5 concurrently for a short time but I found myself make more comparos with those two cars.

The M6 vs the R8: The M still more comfortable and a more usable daily of course. Handling the R8 owns it- hands down but like you said apples and oranges. I did some heavy mods on the R8 including exhaust, tcu, and ecu mods. The car had about 45 awhp (this is a lot in awd) and it pulled strong from a dig even into triple digit speeds (140+). I would never ever own an R8 as my only car but I would 100% own an M6 as the solo driver.

The M6 vs the M5: I found the M6 to be faster and had better driving dynamics. While the engines are the same the car was just more confident to push thru the turns at higher speeds and the pulls from 60-160 were incredibly awesome. I kept my M6 for more than a year which says a lot.

Thanks a lot for nice explanation

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Ive owned 3 M157 AMG engines--- the problem is the throttle response IMHO; its just so non repsonsive with limited press. But I got used to it and made adjustments. The car operates best stock with a heavy foot in sport plus, and ESP sport ON (you need sport on or completely defeated to get the full compliment of tq). The dynos prove the car makes the power but the individual feel is very subjective. A simple tune changes the game in power and response as well. Tuned M157's here in Cali trap almost 130mph. Game changer no doubt.

You are right as well, no AWD over the pond. I took a stock AWD out a few months back on whim from my local store and the car was incredible. It was a 2014 and might have had a factory ECU update to the pedal.

Wow that's awesome you've experienced that motor 3 times! And that pedal travel/throttle response observation could explain why the other poster wasn't impressed.

The few times I've driven M157-equipped cars, I buried the pedal through the floor board so I was holding on for dear life.

And I completely agree regarding the AWD model. It's just flat out capable of devastating speeds.

Originally Posted by ColdList

^^^^

Originally Posted by mstmng

we do have S model for E63, not for CLS though, but i guess it will come with LCI next year

I see. It's a shame you guys don't get to experience the pavement-churning fury of the AWD model. Enjoy your RWD M5 for as long as you can. I fear they'll be a day where a RWD M5 won't be available.

[Ronno111]

Sold my E60 M5 for an E63 S-AMG. I think the BMW is more fun to drive in the end. However, that E63 is a beast. Stomp on that gas pedal and it rockets you to 60 in 3.3 seconds and keeps pulling. No way an M5 can beat it. A good tune (which is on order) will bring me under 3 seconds to 60.

Hold off, wait for the next gen M5 with AWD,,, that with some design changes I might come back to the M team! On price- $102k seems steep for used. Maybe cuase I knoew the sales guy very well, but I got mine for $103 brand new out the door fully loaded matallic white with the $5,500 Carbon Fiber package. Man, its a head turner thats for sure.

[znammzM6]

What about a 2015 GTR? dealer are letting it go for 98G

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by Ronno111

Sold my E60 M5 for an E63 S-AMG. I think the BMW is more fun to drive in the end. However, that E63 is a beast. Stomp on that gas pedal and it rockets you to 60 in 3.3 seconds and keeps pulling. No way an M5 can beat it. A good tune (which is on order) will bring me under 3 seconds to 60.

Hold off, wait for the next gen M5 with AWD,,, that with some design changes I might come back to the M team! On price- $102k seems steep for used. Maybe cuase I knoew the sales guy very well, but I got mine for $103 brand new out the door fully loaded matallic white with the $5,500 Carbon Fiber package. Man, its a head turner thats for sure.

stock for stock
0-60 e63s wins
0-100+ m5 wins

plus you dont need much skill to "stomp on that gas pedal", thats why i wouldnt go for AWD, kills fun-factor as you mentioned

any pics for carbon package?

[mstmng]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I see. It's a shame you guys don't get to experience the pavement-churning fury of the AWD model. Enjoy your RWD M5 for as long as you can. I fear they'll be a day where a RWD M5 won't be available.

i dont think bmw will ever make AWD ONLY m5, it will be optional at least for next generation, so there is enough time to enjoy

[TC M3]

5 days old, not going back to M5 until next gen . Will post more pics later

[TC M3]

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by TC M3

5 days old, not going back to M5 until next gen . Will post more pics later

One of my favourite MB colours and, IMO, MB CCB caliper colour better than that of M5 CCBs. Any interior pics?

[TC M3]

Here one interior shot will take good pics soon