[Tallest]

some people: wtf
some other people: yeah, just black it out and put some big rims on it love it yeahhh!!!!

[stein_325i]

Highlights and Specs Leaked

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

This is purely a marketing and design exercise by BMW. We all know that the only BMWs that still fulfill the original brand ethos are the 2-series and maybe the 3-series.

BMW brand enthusiasts will buy these, but not BMW enthusiasts. I can already see these crawling around West LA, Vancouver, etc.

Enthusiasts are humans with changing tastes and changing needs. We aren't static, vehemently and stubbornly adhering to the same ethos indefinitely. Many of the buyers of the cars forum members abhor are the same buyers who owned E30's, E36's, E46's, etc. Did they somehow morph from BMW enthusiasts to BMW "brand" enthusiasts just because they purchased a car you don't like?!? What is the distinction?!?! Are you telling me that, because I was willing to buy a G8X after driving BMW ///M cars for more than two decades, I was somehow less of an enthusiast?!? Get out of here with that nonsense.

[FrozenGT]

I know what, you see this thing coming down the road at night doing 80mph. You will get out of its way.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Enthusiasts are humans with changing tastes and changing needs. We aren't static, vehemently and stubbornly adhering to the same ethos indefinitely. Many of the buyers of the cars forum members abhor are the same buyers who owned E30's, E36's, E46's, etc. Did they somehow morph from BMW enthusiasts to BMW "brand" enthusiasts just because they purchased a car you don't like?!? What is the distinction?!?! Are you telling me that, because I was willing to buy a G8X after driving BMW ///M cars for more than two decades, I was somehow less of an enthusiast?!? Get out of here with that nonsense.

Certainly fair points. I think of my dad, who used to whip around his E90 but now chooses to drive my mom's lazy handling G05 X5 every time and cruises under the speed limit.

But I still think the most die hard enthusiasts wouldn't be blowing nearly $200K on these. They'd be at a Porsche dealer for that instead since the Cayenne is heads and shoulders the best family SUV for customers who still value driving dynamics and substance over gimmicks.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Better… IX is a disaster

[Eric500]

I think this is cool! Then I think where this will be priced and all interest is gone

[swampfox94]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Interior Leaked as well…

Interior doesn't seem to match the exterior. Like why buy this when you can get this same set up in a base 2 series.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Certainly fair points. I think of my dad, who used to whip around his E90 but now chooses my mom's lazy handling G05 X5 every time and cruises under the speed limit.

But I still think the most die hard enthusiasts wouldn't be blowing nearly $200K on these. They'd be at a Porsche dealer for that instead since the Cayenne is heads and shoulders the best family SUV for customers who still value driving dynamics.

It's fair to say that, by forum definition(s), the driver of an SUV isn't an enthusiast.

I poke…….because I don't believe that at all, but it just highlights the ever changing definition as needed to suit a purpose or an agenda. Back when the X5 4.8is was in its prime, the enthusiasts scowled at the thought of an ///M SUV/SAV. Oh how times AND enthusiasts have changed.

Not everybody is into Porsches. Crazy, I know! Even those who are may not be into the Cayenne despite its athletic prowess in the highest trim(s). I surely would rather drive an X over any Porsche SUV. In fact, for me, it's 911 variant or bust. Nothing else appeals to me in the line-up other than the Taycan [if I were into EV's].

[megabmw]

At what time is the full launch?

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by megabmw

At what time is the full launch?

6:01pm EST

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's fair to say that, by forum definition(s), the driver of an SUV isn't an enthusiast.

I poke…….because I don't believe that at all, but it just highlights the ever changing definition as needed to suit a purpose or an agenda. Back when the X5 4.8is was in its prime, the enthusiasts scowled at the thought of an ///M SUV/SAV. Oh how times AND enthusiasts have changed.

Not everybody is into Porsches. Crazy, I know! Even those who are may not be into the Cayenne despite its athletic prowess in the highest trim(s). I surely would rather drive an X over any Porsche SUV. In fact, for me, it's 911 variant or bust. Nothing else appeals to me in the line-up other than the Taycan [if I were into EV's].

Sure I see what you're saying. And outside the realm of Porsche, BMWs Suvs are still probably the sportiest.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Interesting that it has "old" style gear shifter instead of the new small switch

It's marketed as an M High Performance car (i.e. "real M car"), those retain the gear shifter.

[bmwfan1027]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Highlights and Specs Leaked

I'll admit.... I'm not overly impressed with those performance stats! 650+ HP and only goes 0-60 in 4.3 seconds? My 382hp 2021 M340i does it faster! I was hoping to see some competitive numbers to rival the super SUVs, but clearly BMW is missing the mark by a long shot! The X5/6M is faster

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by bmwfan1027

I'll admit.... I'm not overly impressed with those performance stats! 650+ HP and only goes 0-60 in 4.3 seconds? My 382hp 2021 M340i does it faster! I was hoping to see some competitive numbers to rival the super SUVs, but clearly BMW is missing the mark by a long shot! The X5/6M is faster

She's a heavy girl, rumored to be 6k+ pounds!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Sure I see what you're saying. And outside the realm of Porsche, BMWs Suvs are still probably the sportiest.

I tried leaving BMW twice; once for a G35……I bought into the hype in 2004, and once for the Range Rover Sport coming from multiple X5's. I regretted it both times. I don't regret the 992 though, but it's a 911. Who regrets those?!?! I do miss having an ///M though.

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by bmwfan1027

I'll admit.... I'm not overly impressed with those performance stats! 650+ HP and only goes 0-60 in 4.3 seconds? My 382hp 2021 M340i does it faster! I was hoping to see some competitive numbers to rival the super SUVs, but clearly BMW is missing the mark by a long shot! The X5/6M is faster

If you're familiar with BMW then you know they chronically underrate their performance numbers. My XB7 has an "official" 0-60 time of 4.0 seconds, but real life numbers are closer to 3.6 to 60.

Not sure of the reasoning, other than wanting to make sure people don't complain about the inability to hit official performance claims.

[Wild Blue]

Not loving or hating it. STILL need to see it in person.

Am hoping to get the opportunity to attend a reveal event and see it for myself.

Would be especially awesome if it lined up with the current BMW road trip I'm on!

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I don't regret the 992 though, but it's a 911. Who regrets those?!?!

The poor bastards that sold their 993s to get a 996.

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[buddenfan]

Originally Posted by bmwfan1027

I'll admit.... I'm not overly impressed with those performance stats! 650+ HP and only goes 0-60 in 4.3 seconds? My 382hp 2021 M340i does it faster! I was hoping to see some competitive numbers to rival the super SUVs, but clearly BMW is missing the mark by a long shot! The X5/6M is faster

That was my first thought! My X6M Competition does 0-60 in 3.7

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

The poor bastards that sold their 993s to get a 996.

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Fair point! ….but that's 911 to 911. It's not exactly the same situation I was getting at.

I guess I'm in the camp that liked both, and I had no issue with the 996's headlight design. If not for the 993 in "Bad Boys," the 993 wouldn't have really pinged on my radar. Kinda like the E30. I didn't get into BMW's until the E36 ///M3. I later grew to appreciate the 993 and E30 respectively, but they are low on my priority list.

[vladberca]

This is more a Bentayga rival, to fill the gap between X5/ X7 and Rolls Cullinan.
I'm expecting a 25k to 30k annual sales target.