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      10-25-2019, 12:55 AM   #1
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X7 with or without dhp?

Hey guys about to pull trigger on an x7 however wanted to get some feedback from whoever has some experience with the dynamic handling package either from x7 or x5 current generation. I have driven an x7 with and without and the only difference I feel is maybe some side to side rocking from the unevenness of the road... But there was about the same amount of body roll which was weird.

I thought this system was suppose to have flat cornering and at the same time be much more comfortable however the differences were extremely small where I barely noticed a difference.

I have an 2016 Audi s8 plus and that thing had a ton of body roll... While my dad's s600 maybach has the magic body control similar to dhp in BMW and that thing corners extremely flat it's ridiculous. The new gls has e active body control which now leans the SUV into corners like a motor bike which is crazy but I don't like the gls.

All this is said only having driven the x7 dhp for about 5 miles so if any of you guys have more experience with it please let me know your thoughts. I just thought I would be blown away from dhp like I was in the Mercedes.
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These probably won't be popular with the people who did option it, but I didn't want it for 3 reasons:
1. Thought it felt weird.
2. Just another item to brake/maintain/wear out.
3. Added weight...I'm a weight snob on everything I own.
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Integral steering is probably the best part for me, as it makes the car feel much smaller than it is (note, it is also available as stand alone option).

Road preview system is fantastic as well, particularly if you live in an area with pot holes or bad roads.

M Sport Differential on the x50i is a nice feature, but few people are actually going to push an X7 so far that its benefits are truly felt.

M Sport brakes are fantastic, but again, it is available as a stand alone option similar to the steering.
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Integral steering is probably the best part for me, as it makes the car feel much smaller than it is (note, it is also available as stand alone option).

Road preview system is fantastic as well, particularly if you live in an area with pot holes or bad roads.

M Sport Differential on the x50i is a nice feature, but few people are actually going to push an X7 so far that its benefits are truly felt.

M Sport brakes are fantastic, but again, it is available as a stand alone option similar to the steering.
So have you driven the non dhp x7 to really compare? The only really difference in the road preview I thought I felt was some side to side sway going in a straight line as it just overall felt much more stable.

Also the integral steering only reduces total turning radius of about 1 foot... Making a u turn just didn't seem that much shorter...I really thought I was going to feel a massive difference.

I really want to get dhp but only if it would get better as it breaks in? Because the initial test drive was extremely underwhelming.
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I got it, but haven't driven a vehicle with it (yet)

I know I wanted the IAS and M Sport brakes based on the testers I drove and the road preview feature sounded cool, so I added it.
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Also the integral steering only reduces total turning radius of about 1 foot... Making a u turn just didn't seem that much shorter...I really thought I was going to feel a massive difference.
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I felt a big difference when I test drove both. Is it written anywhere that the difference is just a foot? That would surprise me..
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Also the integral steering only reduces total turning radius of about 1 foot... Making a u turn just didn't seem that much shorter...I really thought I was going to feel a massive difference.
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I felt a big difference when I test drove both. Is it written anywhere that the difference is just a foot? That would surprise me..
I opted to order the IAS and M sport brakes as single options, Since the road preview only works when the navigation has a destination set and I won't be doing that very often. I thought the IAS made the car seem more nimble. I have the on my 911 and when changing lanes at high speed it is very smooth.
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I opted to order the IAS and M sport brakes as single options, Since the road preview only works when the navigation has a destination set and I won't be doing that very often. I thought the IAS made the car seem more nimble. I have the on my 911 and when changing lanes at high speed it is very smooth.
well that would be stupid however i did ask one of the bmw specialist and they said that it is always on and not only when there is a destination...also i say a foot because i did a u turn in both cars and it didnt make a huge difference only slight difference.

i really do want to like it though lol but instead of dhp maybe just go with msport since the cost is about the same and i was not really planning on getting that option.
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I own it I think road preview does absolutely nothing, personally. Further, body roll is more pronounced that I expected even in sport.

I don’t know I would prob buy it again tho
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Perhaps this was already mentioned, are you looking at a 40i? The 40i DHP package doesn't include the M differential so maybe that is why you didn't feel much of a difference.

I have the 2019 50i with m sport and DHP where it comes with the M differential and it makes a big difference. I can make sharp turns and U turns where it feels like the rear wheels would lock and the car can turn 360 degrees like a compass. The integrated active steering makes the car feel smaller in tight corners like parking in small spaces and on the highway changing lanes is very nimble. I do agree that i don't notice anything from the road preview.
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I own it I think road preview does absolutely nothing, personally. Further, body roll is more pronounced that I expected even in sport.

I don’t know I would prob buy it again tho
funny you dont feel a difference but would get it again...at this point that is how im feeling...i didnt really notice enough of a difference but i still want to get it lol.

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Perhaps this was already mentioned, are you looking at a 40i? The 40i DHP package doesn't include the M differential so maybe that is why you didn't feel much of a difference.

I have the 2019 50i with m sport and DHP where it comes with the M differential and it makes a big difference. I can make sharp turns and U turns where it feels like the rear wheels would lock and the car can turn 360 degrees like a compass. The integrated active steering makes the car feel smaller in tight corners like parking in small spaces and on the highway changing lanes is very nimble. I do agree that i don't notice anything from the road preview.
the sport diff does not make a difference in everyday handling unless you are drifting everywhere you go. the diff is there only to make sure both tires have grip in case one starts to slip...the cars for the wife so i highly doubt she will be driving that hard plus i doubt i will drive this thing that hard either.

my main concern was to have flat cornering while also being extremely floaty over bumps from the road preview...i know it sounds kind of crazy but the system in my dads sclass is unbelievable...absolutely flat cornering and extremely smooth bumpy roads.
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funny you dont feel a difference but would get it again...at this point that is how im feeling...i didnt really notice enough of a difference but i still want to get it lol.



the sport diff does not make a difference in everyday handling unless you are drifting everywhere you go. the diff is there only to make sure both tires have grip in case one starts to slip...the cars for the wife so i highly doubt she will be driving that hard plus i doubt i will drive this thing that hard either.

my main concern was to have flat cornering while also being extremely floaty over bumps from the road preview...i know it sounds kind of crazy but the system in my dads sclass is unbelievable...absolutely flat cornering and extremely smooth bumpy roads.
i know man! i think it boils down to trusting the brand that it's doing SOMETHING lol vs base and that it's reasonably priced, i'd say. maybe not if i don't know if it works!
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I have IAS but not DHP on a 40i / M-sport. Have driven with and without.

I definitely notice the steering improvement.

At slow speeds, It's subtle but really helps - in my opinion - maneuvering in parking garages and parallel parking. I live near NYC and it's come in handy but took some getting used to. At first, I would over turn based on my experience in other trucks and it initially felt like the rear wheels were slipping (when it was just the rear wheels kicking out the back). It feels more than a 1 foot improvement in radius, I would guess it provides close to 10-20% improvement which would equate to 2-4 feet shorter radius (but I have no test data to support that, just my gut feel).

On the highway, it feels really stable when changing lanes and cornering at speed. It's tough to describe but the vehicle feels more planted and responsive.
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So have you driven the non dhp x7 to really compare? The only really difference in the road preview I thought I felt was some side to side sway going in a straight line as it just overall felt much more stable.

Also the integral steering only reduces total turning radius of about 1 foot... Making a u turn just didn't seem that much shorter...I really thought I was going to feel a massive difference.

I really want to get dhp but only if it would get better as it breaks in? Because the initial test drive was extremely underwhelming.
Yes, DHP as an entire package does make driving the vehicle much better for more picky drivers. Body roll is mich reduced, turning radius is tighter, stopping power is better, and ride is improved (road preview does not need navigation to be on to be engaged; read manual). But it is a pricey option, so make sure you care about driving dynamics before spending the extra cash.
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Yes, DHP as an entire package does make driving the vehicle much better for more picky drivers. Body roll is mich reduced, turning radius is tighter, stopping power is better, and ride is improved (road preview does not need navigation to be on to be engaged; read manual). But it is a pricey option, so make sure you care about driving dynamics before spending the extra cash.
The car is for my wife but look at the work I've done on my previous car... All the work I did myself and tracked and drifted...I really do care about driving Dynamics and would say I can feel very much what the car is doing.

However the dhp is not doing the job very well imo... I have a 2016 Audi s8 plus...a very large sedan weighing 4700 lbs and this thing has more body roll than anything I have ever driven. Then you have my dad's 2016 s600 maybach an even larger sedan that weighs 5300 lbs but with it's magic body control is the tightest sedan I have ever driven... Almost 0 body roll which is crazy.

The feeling in the s600 is unreal because of how about the car is over any type of pavement yet has 0 body around tight turns. I know the dhp is a decent cost but I would much rather pay double for something that works much better.

Anyway has anyone run over some pot holes with dhp? Is it in fact more comfortable than running over with non dhp? Lol

Thanks for all your help...I think I will just get the ias and skip dhp package.
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The thing that has me particularly interested in DHP is the road preview feature. If the guy in the video below (specifically around the 9:00 mark) is correct, it sounds like it could potentially save a tire from an encounter with a mean pothole.

And as someone who's had to replace five (yes, five) tires within the last year due to sidewall bulges after hitting potholes, that sounds pretty compelling.



I wonder if he's right. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about, but...
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Integral steering is probably the best part for me, as it makes the car feel much smaller than it is (note, it is also available as stand alone option).

Road preview system is fantastic as well, particularly if you live in an area with pot holes or bad roads.

M Sport Differential on the x50i is a nice feature, but few people are actually going to push an X7 so far that its benefits are truly felt.

M Sport brakes are fantastic, but again, it is available as a stand alone option similar to the steering.
So have you driven the non dhp x7 to really compare? The only really difference in the road preview I thought I felt was some side to side sway going in a straight line as it just overall felt much more stable.

Also the integral steering only reduces total turning radius of about 1 foot... Making a u turn just didn't seem that much shorter...I really thought I was going to feel a massive difference.

I really want to get dhp but only if it would get better as it breaks in? Because the initial test drive was extremely underwhelming.
I had all wheel steering on Q7 and now as shown on X7, in my opinion this feature alone is worth adding. If you look at scientific publications regarding all wheel steer ring it is also significant safety gain, car behaves much more responsive and controllable during critical situations. This is not marketing but proven with scientific research, however dealers do not talk about it. All they mention is turning radius.

I have driven all 3 versions of X7 as loaners and some had dhp and some did not, I like to get fast in and out of ramps and I think the M50i with dhp was much better on those curvy ramps. At least this was my impression I did not test the car to drive same speed same ramp and make real comparison
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The thing that has me particularly interested in DHP is the road preview feature. If the guy in the video below (specifically around the 9:00 mark) is correct, it sounds like it could potentially save a tire from an encounter with a mean pothole.

And as someone who's had to replace five (yes, five) tires within the last year due to sidewall bulges after hitting potholes, that sounds pretty compelling.



I wonder if he's right. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about, but...
After watching the movie it got me wonder, I have road with sewage well and if I recall correctly I felt very minimum impact with x7 while with other cars it feels more pronounced, I thought this might be due to air ride but possibly DHP. I have scheduled dealer visit in 2 weeks, if I get the x7 loaner most likely without DHP I will drive over this well and company to be sure if there is a difference.
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I had all wheel steering on Q7 and now as shown on X7, in my opinion this feature alone is worth adding. If you look at scientific publications regarding all wheel steer ring it is also significant safety gain, car behaves much more responsive and controllable during critical situations. This is not marketing but proven with scientific research, however dealers do not talk about it. All they mention is turning radius.

I have driven all 3 versions of X7 as loaners and some had dhp and some did not, I like to get fast in and out of ramps and I think the M50i with dhp was much better on those curvy ramps. At least this was my impression I did not test the car to drive same speed same ramp and make real comparison
Last Friday I was on the highway doing about 80mph with my wife and 4 kids in the car. All the sudden a ladder falls out of a truck a few cars ahead and everyone starts slamming on their brakes and swerving to avoid it. I had to do two very fast moves at high speed under heavy braking, and I can't believe I was able to avoid everything. Several other cars were not so lucky. X7 is a big boy but still has some moves!

Obviously no way of knowing whether the DHP in my M50i made the difference or not, but the phrase "There is safety in performance" proved true that day!

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One thing to note is that an xDrice 50i with DHP and an M Sport 50i with DHP are essentially the same on driving dynamics other than engine and exhaust. They have the same suspension, brakes and steering. Only difference I can see is that the M Sport has a slightly different exhaust and of course the tuned engine.
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I had all wheel steering on Q7 and now as shown on X7, in my opinion this feature alone is worth adding. If you look at scientific publications regarding all wheel steer ring it is also significant safety gain, car behaves much more responsive and controllable during critical situations. This is not marketing but proven with scientific research, however dealers do not talk about it. All they mention is turning radius.

I have driven all 3 versions of X7 as loaners and some had dhp and some did not, I like to get fast in and out of ramps and I think the M50i with dhp was much better on those curvy ramps. At least this was my impression I did not test the car to drive same speed same ramp and make real comparison
Last Friday I was on the highway doing about 80mph with my wife and 4 kids in the car. All the sudden a ladder falls out of a truck a few cars ahead and everyone starts slamming on their brakes and swerving to avoid it. I had to do two very fast moves at high speed under heavy braking, and I can't believe I was able to avoid everything. Several other cars were not so lucky. X7 is a big boy but still has some moves!

Obviously no way of knowing whether the DHP in my M50i made the difference or not, but the phrase "There is safety in performance" proved true that day!
Thanks for sharing and great nothing happens, yes the new technology shows primarily at critical situations. What tires you have?
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I currently have an X5 with DHP (2016) and bought an X7 last night with it.

We test drove both X5 and X7 with and without.

With the X5 I noticed the one without DHP (comparing two M50's) was much bouncier on the same stretch of backroad. My friend not knowing the difference between the two commented that he liked the first one's ride better, which is the one that had DHP.

With the X7, I hit the same bump with both, I didn't even notice it in the one with DHP, I bought that car last night.
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