335d loss of power

charliesum · 07-19-2009, 01:50 PM

hi guys havent been around for a few months but have a problem with the old girl
parked up after work weds night left her on drive no probs
started her up for same drive back to work next morning and no power whatsoever.
engine revs v slowly but nothing seems to happen -def no boost
I'm guessing that its either a dpf or electrical fault
it also doesnt hold gears well and has no kickdown
it cleared itself yesterday on a drive and returned to normal but again today whilst driving at about 50mph it happened and has stayed there all day
I managed to get home albeit a little slower but as my wife pointed out a smoother way home, but it is not fun trying to accelerate out of a roundabout to be undertaken by not only a smart car but an arctic too !
she would get up to speed but took ages (think 0-60 in 60 secs type of thing)

i spoke to the garage on fri but they cant see her till beginning of august
i have bmw assistance coming out in the morning as i dont think its safe to drive any ideas ??

forgot to mention work drive now 4 miles town stop start followed by 30 miles fast a27
also no warning lights what so ever 31000m and serviced 6k ago

zltm089 · 07-19-2009, 02:04 PM

have you not got the engine warning light? You should have!

I had a similar issue a few weeks ago....loss of power, gear changes were funny, and engine warning lights came on and off....for a few hours...spent the whole sunday test driving it....then monday morning car was fine!!!

have you used a jet wash recently by any chance? in my case, i think water got into some "sensors" and all i had to do is to wait for it to"dry" up...

charliesum · 07-19-2009, 02:40 PM

yes i have used a jet wash but only after it happened first time !!

no warning lights what so ever

and i have been driving it very enthusiastically too as I said the a27 can be quite FAST !

charliesum · 07-20-2009, 01:20 AM

after booking it in last night for assistance this morning on ringing to confirm five mins ago, they are refusung to come out as there are no engine warning lights and it will still get to speed albeit taking a very long time
so now have to wait for 3 weeks for the stealers to fit it in>>>>>

charliesum · 07-20-2009, 03:05 PM

after reading another thread I have noticed my red hose is half black!!
The car will rev slowly to 3500 max
I have a friend who sells jags who said to do a manual regeneration on the jags they recommend driving 50 -60 for 20-30 mins
I did that and managed 15 mpg! but to no avail
there is some torque at 2500 -3000rpm but thats it
if I put the foot down I get less power
lastly if I put it in manual it searches for gears all over the place changing up at 3000rpm?

I think its in shutdown due to dpf

I want it sorting prior to visiting Imran (at last) sorry for not buying in group buy but been away working for custommer's who turned out were not paying!

dxb335d · 07-20-2009, 03:19 PM

Its nothing to do with the oil on the red hose mate i can tell you that.

willhollin · 07-20-2009, 03:44 PM

If it was DPF then you would get a warning light on as I did, but a knackered one does reduce power I can confirm.

Jude1 · 07-20-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Its nothing to do with the oil on the red hose mate i can tell you that.

How do you know that?

Jude1 · 07-20-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliesum

after booking it in last night for assistance this morning on ringing to confirm five mins ago, they are refusung to come out as there are no engine warning lights and it will still get to speed albeit taking a very long time
so now have to wait for 3 weeks for the stealers to fit it in>>>>>

Book it in with another Dealer

dxb335d · 07-20-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jude1

How do you know that?

I had oily flexi thing, For over a year, done all my 13.0 with it like that.

Jude1 · 07-20-2009, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

I had oily flexi thing, For over a year, done all my 13.0 with it like that.

Maybe his has been like that longer and maybe his breather pipe is also blocked, coud also have caused a vac hose to dislodge etc etc

When did you discover yours and when did you get it fixed?

dxb335d · 07-20-2009, 04:52 PM

Discovered it over a year ago mate. Left it as car seemed fine.

Had it sorted recently.

milesr3 · 08-01-2009, 07:04 AM

It sounds similar to the problem I had with my 535d when I got it: The actuator on the front of the turbo manifold was jammed meaning that the small turbo wasn't spooling up at all at low revs. There was no engine warning light, but my dealer ran a diagnostic programme and confirmed the problem with the seized actuator.

I also had to take the car back when the throttle response was terrible - decelerating when you open the throttle and this turned out to be the DPF needing regeneration, which the dealer triggered manually and took it out for a drive. It was noticeable but nothing like as bad as the above problem with the actuator.

Terza · 08-01-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milesr3

It sounds similar to the problem I had with my 535d when I got it: The actuator on the front of the turbo manifold was jammed meaning that the small turbo wasn't spooling up at all at low revs. There was no engine warning light, but my dealer ran a diagnostic programme and confirmed the problem with the seized actuator.

I've also had this very same problem on my 335d, the car had only 20.000 km (about 13.000 miles), and I think that Charliesum probably has the same issue...

neo871 · 08-01-2009, 12:42 PM

@charliesum
Does it gain speed quicker after 2500-3000 rpms?

charliesum · 08-03-2009, 01:22 AM

It did gain speed after these revs but only as fast as a milk float!
I have been on holiday for a week and so left it at the dealers to look at.
I spoke briefly to them on the phone whilst I was away and they mentioned a vacuum control valve which has been replaced under warranty.
I am going to pick it up this morning so I will let you know
thanks for your help.

Terza · 08-03-2009, 12:13 PM

Last night the same problem emerged on my car... For the 2nd time (now at 47.000 km's).

The first time I've changed the valve they said that it's positioned very close to the exhaust and it's probably the heat of the exhaust that damages it... That probably means that it's going to be happening again and again... But it makes me wonder why other 335d owners aren't having the same problem?

Dr Dave · 08-03-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliesum

I am going to pick it up this morning so I will let you know
thanks for your help.

...........and this has been the situation since 17th July?

Shocking service

charliesum · 08-03-2009, 01:36 PM

got it back
feels ok not quite as I remembered it tho!
to be honest the dealer was very good
I left it with them on 22 july and went on holiday and they rang me to let me know what the problem was and that it was ready
It was cleaned and vacuumed throughout and they also did the brake fluid change and air conditioning as asked
I can't tell the difference with the air conditioning tho, it still feels lacking compared to any other car I've had
£200 for the priviledge of brake fluid and ac cant be bad eh (NOT)
at least I have a car ready to be chipped now!
Imran are you free on Thurs

(finally pm sent)

Dr Dave · 08-03-2009, 01:48 PM

Brake fluid and a/c service for £200? For a main dealer, that's pretty good VFM.

They've still made good money out of the job - simply recycling your R134a gas - it's a pretty much an automatic job, all done by machine.

willhollin · 08-03-2009, 01:51 PM

But do they do the brake fluid change properly? Or as I suspect in my case, they sucked it out of the reservoir and then topped it up with new brake fluid. They only used a litre, and I have been reliably informed that the brake system takes over 1.5 litres.

Dr Dave · 08-03-2009, 01:56 PM

A litre would be enough to change the system fluid Will, esp if the resevoir is evacuated before the bleed procedure starts and filled with fresh clean fluid.

07-19-2009, 01:50 PM	#1
charliesum First Lieutenant 8 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: pompey iTrader: (1)	335d loss of power hi guys havent been around for a few months but have a problem with the old girl parked up after work weds night left her on drive no probs started her up for same drive back to work next morning and no power whatsoever. engine revs v slowly but nothing seems to happen -def no boost I'm guessing that its either a dpf or electrical fault it also doesnt hold gears well and has no kickdown it cleared itself yesterday on a drive and returned to normal but again today whilst driving at about 50mph it happened and has stayed there all day I managed to get home albeit a little slower but as my wife pointed out a smoother way home, but it is not fun trying to accelerate out of a roundabout to be undertaken by not only a smart car but an arctic too ! she would get up to speed but took ages (think 0-60 in 60 secs type of thing) i spoke to the garage on fri but they cant see her till beginning of august i have bmw assistance coming out in the morning as i dont think its safe to drive any ideas ?? forgot to mention work drive now 4 miles town stop start followed by 30 miles fast a27 also no warning lights what so ever 31000m and serviced 6k ago __________________ vxr8 only car ive ever had and asked to make the exhaust quieter
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zltm089 Banned 244 Rep 7,690 Posts Drives: 335i SE Coupe Space Grey Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: LONDON iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 335i [10.00]	have you not got the engine warning light? You should have! I had a similar issue a few weeks ago....loss of power, gear changes were funny, and engine warning lights came on and off....for a few hours...spent the whole sunday test driving it....then monday morning car was fine!!! have you used a jet wash recently by any chance? in my case, i think water got into some "sensors" and all i had to do is to wait for it to"dry" up...
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charliesum First Lieutenant 8 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: pompey iTrader: (1)	yes i have used a jet wash but only after it happened first time !! no warning lights what so ever and i have been driving it very enthusiastically too as I said the a27 can be quite FAST ! __________________ vxr8 only car ive ever had and asked to make the exhaust quieter
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charliesum First Lieutenant 8 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: pompey iTrader: (1)	after booking it in last night for assistance this morning on ringing to confirm five mins ago, they are refusung to come out as there are no engine warning lights and it will still get to speed albeit taking a very long time so now have to wait for 3 weeks for the stealers to fit it in>>>>> __________________ vxr8 only car ive ever had and asked to make the exhaust quieter
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charliesum First Lieutenant 8 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: pompey iTrader: (1)	after reading another thread I have noticed my red hose is half black!! The car will rev slowly to 3500 max I have a friend who sells jags who said to do a manual regeneration on the jags they recommend driving 50 -60 for 20-30 mins I did that and managed 15 mpg! but to no avail there is some torque at 2500 -3000rpm but thats it if I put the foot down I get less power lastly if I put it in manual it searches for gears all over the place changing up at 3000rpm? I think its in shutdown due to dpf I want it sorting prior to visiting Imran (at last) sorry for not buying in group buy but been away working for custommer's who turned out were not paying! __________________ vxr8 only car ive ever had and asked to make the exhaust quieter
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willhollin Major General 268 Rep 9,915 Posts Drives: VW T5 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Worcestershire iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 BMW E92 330d SE [10.00] 2010 Transporter T5 ... [0.00]	If it was DPF then you would get a warning light on as I did, but a knackered one does reduce power I can confirm. __________________
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milesr3 Private First Class 10 Rep 193 Posts Drives: 535d SE Join Date: May 2009 Location: Suffolk, UK. iTrader: (0)	It sounds similar to the problem I had with my 535d when I got it: The actuator on the front of the turbo manifold was jammed meaning that the small turbo wasn't spooling up at all at low revs. There was no engine warning light, but my dealer ran a diagnostic programme and confirmed the problem with the seized actuator. I also had to take the car back when the throttle response was terrible - decelerating when you open the throttle and this turned out to be the DPF needing regeneration, which the dealer triggered manually and took it out for a drive. It was noticeable but nothing like as bad as the above problem with the actuator.
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neo871 Major 142 Rep 1,399 Posts Drives: 340i xDrive MPPSK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	@charliesum Does it gain speed quicker after 2500-3000 rpms?
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charliesum First Lieutenant 8 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: pompey iTrader: (1)	It did gain speed after these revs but only as fast as a milk float! I have been on holiday for a week and so left it at the dealers to look at. I spoke briefly to them on the phone whilst I was away and they mentioned a vacuum control valve which has been replaced under warranty. I am going to pick it up this morning so I will let you know thanks for your help. __________________ vxr8 only car ive ever had and asked to make the exhaust quieter
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Terza Second Lieutenant 7 Rep 205 Posts Drives: E92 335d Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dubrovnik/Zagreb, Croatia iTrader: (0)	Last night the same problem emerged on my car... For the 2nd time (now at 47.000 km's). The first time I've changed the valve they said that it's positioned very close to the exhaust and it's probably the heat of the exhaust that damages it... That probably means that it's going to be happening again and again... But it makes me wonder why other 335d owners aren't having the same problem?
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charliesum First Lieutenant 8 Rep 353 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: pompey iTrader: (1)	got it back feels ok not quite as I remembered it tho! to be honest the dealer was very good I left it with them on 22 july and went on holiday and they rang me to let me know what the problem was and that it was ready It was cleaned and vacuumed throughout and they also did the brake fluid change and air conditioning as asked I can't tell the difference with the air conditioning tho, it still feels lacking compared to any other car I've had £200 for the priviledge of brake fluid and ac cant be bad eh (NOT) at least I have a car ready to be chipped now! Imran are you free on Thurs(finally pm sent) __________________ vxr8 only car ive ever had and asked to make the exhaust quieter
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Dr Dave Zummerzet Zyder Drinker! 112 Rep 5,541 Posts Drives: '06 330D Le Mans Blue Join Date: May 2009 Location: Somerset iTrader: (3) Garage List 2006 330d M Sport [0.00]	A litre would be enough to change the system fluid Will, esp if the resevoir is evacuated before the bleed procedure starts and filled with fresh clean fluid. __________________
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