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      03-07-2020, 09:37 PM   #23
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Some information can be found in:
https://en.comparis.ch/umzug-schweiz...ssung-fahrzeug

Things I would confirm before importing a car to a foreign country:

Are there import taxes?
Do I need to register the car locally?
If I do, what changes (if any) are required to the car?
Does the car comply with the local co2 emission requirements?
If driving with foreign plates, where and how to insure the car?
Are the locally sold cars identical, and thus are there any problems with maintenance and repairs?
For Switzerland, I would also check if the car has ”winter pack” (not sure if BMW does this: thicker cabling for the battery etc)

In the past, it has not been trivial to bring a US spec car to Europe, but this may differ from country to country and car to car
All good questions that I will be asking when we talk to the relo consultant.
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One of the biggest advantages when bringing the car from to the US is usually the fact that you don't pay import taxes (duties and VAT). Switzerland (unfortuantely) has low VAT @7.7%. If you brought the car to e.g. Hungary, you would gain 27% VAT and could sell the car after 2 years at break even or with profit.

I am fairly sure that you will need to register the car locally. US plates won't work. Insurance will be more expensive then in the US. These cars are 50-100% more expensive in europe so this shouldn't be surprise.

Relocation specialist likely won't answer your questions about the car, i.e. whether you will need to do any modifications. These days most of the modifications may be done electronically via coding, e.g. headlamps for US market are downgraded so in europe you can really enjoy some of the features.

I would encourage you to do the research yourself. These relocation specialist have very limited knowledge. At least this is my experience. I relocated from europe to the US 8 years ago (for 2 years only ).

If I would relocate today from the US to Europe, definitely i would bring X7 with me.
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There will be daily headache with parking in EU. As fact parking slots are suitable for small and midsize cars. Couple years ago faced with this problem driving MB Viano.
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X5 and X7 have the same width. My wife's 530 is bigger than my X5. X5 (and similar suv) and tons of 5 series are on the european market for a long time. Sure, it is not ideal. But parking situation is not ideal for suv even in the US in big cities.
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X5 and X7 have the same width. My wife's 530 is bigger than my X5. X5 (and similar suv) and tons of 5 series are on the european market for a long time. Sure, it is not ideal. But parking situation is not ideal for suv even in the US in big cities.
X7 is 13cm wider and 20cm longer than 5er. It is not a big difference, but will make sence in tiny parking slot, even sometimes parking of Skoda Octavia was a bit tricky. Anyway in EU I didn't seen too much full size SUVs.
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One of the biggest advantages when bringing the car from to the US is usually the fact that you don't pay import taxes (duties and VAT). Switzerland (unfortuantely) has low VAT @7.7%. If you brought the car to e.g. Hungary, you would gain 27% VAT and could sell the car after 2 years at break even or with profit.

I am fairly sure that you will need to register the car locally. US plates won't work. Insurance will be more expensive then in the US. These cars are 50-100% more expensive in europe so this shouldn't be surprise.

Relocation specialist likely won't answer your questions about the car, i.e. whether you will need to do any modifications. These days most of the modifications may be done electronically via coding, e.g. headlamps for US market are downgraded so in europe you can really enjoy some of the features.

I would encourage you to do the research yourself. These relocation specialist have very limited knowledge. At least this is my experience. I relocated from europe to the US 8 years ago (for 2 years only ).

If I would relocate today from the US to Europe, definitely i would bring X7 with me.
My understanding is that as long as I have owned the car for 6 months or more there is no 7.7 % tax.
Thanks for pointing out possibility of parking issues. I am going to check into this.
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Correct. You won't pay 7.7% VAT. I was not clear enough. My point was that you are not gaining as much as you would in other European countries where VAT is much higher.

I don't think parking is really an issue. It will require more effort than when driving vw golf. But com'n, you will be driving like king in X7.
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Yeah, I know BMW NA does not want me to sell it over there for good reason. They did have me sign a document when I bought it agreeing to not take it overseas for 2 years.
I'm sure that was due to how expensive these types of Vehicles can be in some countries, and of course everything in Switzerland is outrageously expensive. I had asked the Salesperson about this document and told him that sometime in the futures I may indeed move to another country. He told me not to worry about it and that it was mainly to prevent the buying of vehicles in the US and making a business out of shipping them overseas. I know, I should of just refused to sign it, but I thought I'd be in the US 2 more years at least.
Thanks for giving me your thoughts.
I have never heard of such a document, unless it was deep in the fine print in an area of the paperwork that I have never paid attention to previously. Is this unique to certain, high end vehicles? Or did your dealer only make you sign this document because you mentioned that you may be moving overseas? FWIW, I had once heard (from a BMW Client Advisor no doubt), that BMWs and other luxury brands are "heavily subsidized" by auto manufacturers to sell cars significantly cheaper in the US when compared to the rest of the world. I never verified this statement or researched it further, but it may be related to why BMW NA allegedly does not want you to sell your X7 overseas.
Just FYI:
See item 13.
Here it says only one year... which works out great for me because I bought it almost exactly a year ago.
Also I believe they came me a separate document that they had me sign regarding exporting.
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Coincidentally, I am also considering importing my X7 to Switzerland for work.

A couple additional questions and thoughts:

1. Anyone know what the tax is for a car like the X7 on an annual basis? Isn't there a tax each year for just having a car with such a big engine? I can't seem to find what the actual rate is in Switzerland for the X7. Just trying to get a sense of the carrying cost. (I have a 40i)

2. Is premium petrol readily available in Europe? Or will it be tough to find?

3. Just FYI - my employer will be paying for a warranty in Switzerland because I'll lose the BMW NA warranty.
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#2 of course it is available
#3 technically, you should be covered by European BMW warranty, which should be 2 years and unlimited miles. At this least this was the position in the EU. Since, Switzerland is not part of the EU, maybe it works differently.
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#2 of course it is available
#3 technically, you should be covered by European BMW warranty, which should be 2 years and unlimited miles. At this least this was the position in the EU. Since, Switzerland is not part of the EU, maybe it works differently.
Alright, U2.

I know it's available - but is it a pain to find? Given that most vehicles are diesel in Europe (I believe?).

I'm pretty sure a North American BMW warranty is not valid outside of the United States. I can't go to EU for service, a separate warranty is necessary to obtain service in Europe free of charge.
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#2 of course it is available
#3 technically, you should be covered by European BMW warranty, which should be 2 years and unlimited miles. At this least this was the position in the EU. Since, Switzerland is not part of the EU, maybe it works differently.
I'll have to check in to the EU warranty coverage.
I'll be only a stone's through from Germany and France.... so that would be great!
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It is not pain to find premium gas. I believe this is as available as any other gas.

Re warranty - are you sure or just guessing? I talked about it with BMW in Europe a couple years back. I received a written confirmation that they will provide 2 year / unlimited mileage coverage. I was planing to take my X5 back to Europe.

Of course, it makes sense since at the end of the day, BMW AG and not BMW NA is covering the costs.

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Alright, U2.

I know it's available - but is it a pain to find? Given that most vehicles are diesel in Europe (I believe?).

I'm pretty sure a North American BMW warranty is not valid outside of the United States. I can't go to EU for service, a separate warranty is necessary to obtain service in Europe free of charge.
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It is not pain to find premium gas. I believe this is as available as any other gas.

Re warranty - are you sure or just guessing? I talked about it with BMW in Europe a couple years back. I received a written confirmation that they will provide 2 year / unlimited mileage coverage. I was planing to take my X5 back to Europe.

Of course, it makes sense since at the end of the day, BMW AG and not BMW NA is covering the costs.
I didn't know for sure before, but now I do - it's not covered:

"New Vehicle Limited Warranty for Passenger Cars and Light Trucks — 2019 Models (Valid Only in the U.S.A. including Puerto Rico)."

https://www.bmwusa.com/explore/bmw-v...nty-books.html
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It is not a question what you see in the US service book. That's correct that you won't get US warranty coverage in Europe. The question is whether BMW in Europe with accept a warranty claim. I mentioned this already - I discussed this with BMW in Europe and got the confirmation that they will provide European coverage. I hope this is clear message.
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It is not a question what you see in the US service book. That's correct that you won't get US warranty coverage in Europe. The question is whether BMW in Europe with accept a warranty claim. I mentioned this already - I discussed this with BMW in Europe and got the confirmation that they will provide European coverage. I hope this is clear message.
That might be what they tell you, but it's not guaranteed. By purchasing a US vehicle, you are not entitled to a European warranty; therefore, you can get denied at any time without recourse.
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That's fine with me. Say what you want to say. You are just speculating. I put some more effort into this and I checked this (and received written confirmation). It is not rocket science.

If I would be moving to Switzerland, I would contact BMW Switzerland and clarify this. There are more challenging things involved into moving between continents than checking warranty coverage.


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It is not a question what you see in the US service book. That's correct that you won't get US warranty coverage in Europe. The question is whether BMW in Europe with accept a warranty claim. I mentioned this already - I discussed this with BMW in Europe and got the confirmation that they will provide European coverage. I hope this is clear message.
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That might be what they tell you, but it's not guaranteed. By purchasing a US vehicle, you are not entitled to a European warranty; therefore, you can get denied at any time without recourse.
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Yeah, I know BMW NA does not want me to sell it over there for good reason. They did have me sign a document when I bought it agreeing to not take it overseas for 2 years.
I'm sure that was due to how expensive these types of Vehicles can be in some countries, and of course everything in Switzerland is outrageously expensive. I had asked the Salesperson about this document and told him that sometime in the futures I may indeed move to another country. He told me not to worry about it and that it was mainly to prevent the buying of vehicles in the US and making a business out of shipping them overseas. I know, I should of just refused to sign it, but I thought I'd be in the US 2 more years at least.
Thanks for giving me your thoughts.
I have never heard of such a document, unless it was deep in the fine print in an area of the paperwork that I have never paid attention to previously. Is this unique to certain, high end vehicles? Or did your dealer only make you sign this document because you mentioned that you may be moving overseas? FWIW, I had once heard (from a BMW Client Advisor no doubt), that BMWs and other luxury brands are "heavily subsidized" by auto manufacturers to sell cars significantly cheaper in the US when compared to the rest of the world. I never verified this statement or researched it further, but it may be related to why BMW NA allegedly does not want you to sell your X7 overseas.
Just FYI:
See item 13.
Here it says only one year... which works out great for me because I bought it almost exactly a year ago.
Also I believe they came me a separate document that they had me sign regarding exporting.
This line item 13 appears to be a whole seller provision. they don't want you using their dealership as a front for your dealership to resell new cars against them. the only penalty is any penalty BMW would impose on the NK dealership, which probably only a few slaps on the wrist.

I wouldn't worry about this paragraph but I'd look closely at the other signed documents if they had you sign another one.






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Yeah, I know BMW NA does not want me to sell it over there for good reason. They did have me sign a document when I bought it agreeing to not take it overseas for 2 years.
I'm sure that was due to how expensive these types of Vehicles can be in some countries, and of course everything in Switzerland is outrageously expensive. I had asked the Salesperson about this document and told him that sometime in the futures I may indeed move to another country. He told me not to worry about it and that it was mainly to prevent the buying of vehicles in the US and making a business out of shipping them overseas. I know, I should of just refused to sign it, but I thought I'd be in the US 2 more years at least.
Thanks for giving me your thoughts.
I have never heard of such a document, unless it was deep in the fine print in an area of the paperwork that I have never paid attention to previously. Is this unique to certain, high end vehicles? Or did your dealer only make you sign this document because you mentioned that you may be moving overseas? FWIW, I had once heard (from a BMW Client Advisor no doubt), that BMWs and other luxury brands are "heavily subsidized" by auto manufacturers to sell cars significantly cheaper in the US when compared to the rest of the world. I never verified this statement or researched it further, but it may be related to why BMW NA allegedly does not want you to sell your X7 overseas.
Just FYI:
See item 13.
Here it says only one year... which works out great for me because I bought it almost exactly a year ago.
Also I believe they came me a separate document that they had me sign regarding exporting.
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When living in Europe, I bought multiple US-spec BMW's through the BMW military sales program. Dealers honored all new vehicles brought in for service according to the local warranty, regardless of origin/spec, including US.
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Where about are you moving in Switzerland? I've been living in Zurich for several years now, and have bought and owned a few BMWs here. Currently have an M135i and an X6 M50d, with an X5 45e on order (more for novelty factor than much else). If the X7 had come in 45e variant, I probably would have gone that route.

Advertised prices are high (around CHF150k for a loaded X7 40i here), but there are good discounts to be had. Many of the big corporates (with many expat workers) here have fleet discount details with major German brands, so getting 25-30% off can be done. Leasing is also much more common than buying outright here.

In Canton Zurich, an X7 40i will be around CHF900 in vehicle taxes per year. The formula differs from canton to canton, in Zurich it is based on engine capacity and car weight - here is a calculator (in German - note weight is the gross weight ie. max weight capacity): https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe...VArechner.html

3rd party vehicle insurance is compulsory, and then there are various add-ons to get up to fully comprehensive (including insurance for damage caused by martens chewing up your vehicle engine bay - https://www.thelocal.ch/20180504/car...hewing-martens). You are probably going to pay around CHF2,500 per year for fully comprehensive vehicle insurance. It is extremely likely that, to get insurance here, you will need to have your vehicle locally registered and on local plates. I do not know if there might be a premium on a foreign-specced vehicle. Not winter tyres are not legally compulsory; however, if the insurance company believes your claim incident was caused by not having winter tyres, then they can reject your claim. So almost everyone here runs with proper winter tyres during the season.

'Gas' is commonly available in 95 and 98 octane variants. Price has come down a lot in recent weeks due to the 'virus and the Saudi-Russia handbags. But typically, you will look to pay around CHF1.75 per litre, so a full tank (80l) is around CHF140. Keep in mind Switzerland and Europe are relatively small, and distances between items of interest are not large compared to the US. So you may pay more for fuel, but likely to travel less distance on a day-to-day basis.

To this foreigner, there is much less 'peer pressure' on car ownership in Switzerland than I expected. I imagined that car owners would be frowned upon, and if you had to have a car, it must be a 3-cyl diesel hatchback. But in fact, quite the opposite, perhaps given the high average wealth in the country. Quite a few Teslas and eTrons here, but also many straight-sixes and V8s. SUVs in general (including X3s and X5s) are very common, and there are a few X7s around. Roads are likely going to be quite a bit smaller than you are used to, and they are shared with trams, buses, bicycles. So may take a little time to get used to (and you may avoid certain tighter parking garages), but definitely not a deal breaker. However, do consider where you might live (apartment, stand-alone house, in the city or in the suburbs), and factor in the need for (suitably sized) parking.

I don't know much about regulations around import and operation of foreign-spec vehicles, and any adaptation legally required for Swiss roads. These folks might be of service: https://www.autociel.ch/service/import-a-car/

Might also be useful, as previously suggested, to reach out to a local BMW dealer this side and see if they are able to service a US-spec vehicle. If you're moving to Zurich, I can put you in touch with my dealer if you'd like.
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Where about are you moving in Switzerland? I've been living in Zurich for several years now, and have bought and owned a few BMWs here. Currently have an M135i and an X6 M50d, with an X5 45e on order (more for novelty factor than much else). If the X7 had come in 45e variant, I probably would have gone that route.

Advertised prices are high (around CHF150k for a loaded X7 40i here), but there are good discounts to be had. Many of the big corporates (with many expat workers) here have fleet discount details with major German brands, so getting 25-30% off can be done. Leasing is also much more common than buying outright here.

In Canton Zurich, an X7 40i will be around CHF900 in vehicle taxes per year. The formula differs from canton to canton, in Zurich it is based on engine capacity and car weight - here is a calculator (in German - note weight is the gross weight ie. max weight capacity): https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe...VArechner.html

3rd party vehicle insurance is compulsory, and then there are various add-ons to get up to fully comprehensive (including insurance for damage caused by martens chewing up your vehicle engine bay - https://www.thelocal.ch/20180504/car...hewing-martens). You are probably going to pay around CHF2,500 per year for fully comprehensive vehicle insurance. It is extremely likely that, to get insurance here, you will need to have your vehicle locally registered and on local plates. I do not know if there might be a premium on a foreign-specced vehicle. Not winter tyres are not legally compulsory; however, if the insurance company believes your claim incident was caused by not having winter tyres, then they can reject your claim. So almost everyone here runs with proper winter tyres during the season.

'Gas' is commonly available in 95 and 98 octane variants. Price has come down a lot in recent weeks due to the 'virus and the Saudi-Russia handbags. But typically, you will look to pay around CHF1.75 per litre, so a full tank (80l) is around CHF140. Keep in mind Switzerland and Europe are relatively small, and distances between items of interest are not large compared to the US. So you may pay more for fuel, but likely to travel less distance on a day-to-day basis.

To this foreigner, there is much less 'peer pressure' on car ownership in Switzerland than I expected. I imagined that car owners would be frowned upon, and if you had to have a car, it must be a 3-cyl diesel hatchback. But in fact, quite the opposite, perhaps given the high average wealth in the country. Quite a few Teslas and eTrons here, but also many straight-sixes and V8s. SUVs in general (including X3s and X5s) are very common, and there are a few X7s around. Roads are likely going to be quite a bit smaller than you are used to, and they are shared with trams, buses, bicycles. So may take a little time to get used to (and you may avoid certain tighter parking garages), but definitely not a deal breaker. However, do consider where you might live (apartment, stand-alone house, in the city or in the suburbs), and factor in the need for (suitably sized) parking.

I don't know much about regulations around import and operation of foreign-spec vehicles, and any adaptation legally required for Swiss roads. These folks might be of service: https://www.autociel.ch/service/import-a-car/

Might also be useful, as previously suggested, to reach out to a local BMW dealer this side and see if they are able to service a US-spec vehicle. If you're moving to Zurich, I can put you in touch with my dealer if you'd like.
So much great info!
I will be in Basel area.
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It’s quite standard. A few years ago I was looking to get an MB GLS (??) 550 and the dealer told me a lot of people were shipping them to China for resale that you had to sign a similar document. I have friends that shipped cars to Russia pre the 2007 crisis to make money. It is nuts that even with a huge tax duty in Russia that often equates to 100% of the cost in the US they were still making money.

To answer the OP question, I Think it depends on how long you plan to stay there. As others have said, the cost of owning and driving an X7 in Western Europe is very high as you pay more for gas and for the engine size. But nothing will ever substitute driving this car on a perfect German or Swiss road especially when other road occupants are also German or Swiss.If you are only going for a couple of years and plan to be back and can get the car shipped back for free as well, might as well take the additional cost of having this car there and enjoying it to the fullest. Just make sure you understand all the costs involved.
Do you have photos of your Mineral White/Ivory White Night Blue X7 that you wouldn't mind sharing with me? Ordering a X5 in that combination and nervous about the outcome. Currently have a X7 on the opposite end of the spectrum, Arctic Grey/Tartufo. TIA
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